[C320-list] Seating Chain Plates
coralman at bellsouth.net
coralman at bellsouth.net
Sat Dec 5 05:59:11 PST 2009
I did mine about 3 years ago on my 95"' with life caulk. Unbolted one stay plate at a time and removed all the old stuff and resealed then bolted it back. So far no leaks in Florida
Michael
Nauti Clew 169 -------------- Original message from "Pat Kenefick" <pkenefick at embarqmail.com>: --------------
> Can anyone give me some guidance on reseating the chain plates ? My boat is
> a 2001 and beginning to see some minor evidence of potential leaking on 1
> unit, so over the winter months here in NC I might be able to gather enough
> good days to work on this project. What seems to be concerning to me is
> breaking loose the plate in the cabin thus releasing it up top.
> Thank you
> Pat Kenefick
> Hull 833
> Bath, NC
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> > 1. Re: 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow (amshd2 at aol.com)
> > 2. Re: 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow (Pat Moriarty)
> > 3. Re: Membership (jim brown)
> > 4. Re: 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow (pat reynolds)
> > 5. Re: 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow (Warren Updike)
> > 6. Re: Membership (Karl Mielenhausen _/))
> >
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> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:50:47 -0500
> > From: amshd2 at aol.com
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow
> > Message-ID: <8CC4247838B1D1D-450C-551C at webmail-m061.sysops.aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> >
> > PAT
> >
> > Where did you get your new one.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pat Moriarty
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2009 8:28 am
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow
> >
> >
> > I did basically the same thing on 1994 boat. I think the bottom flexed too
> > much with exhaust pressure and caused the seam failure. Repaired several
> > times and finally got a new one.
> >
> > Pat #130
> >
> > At 09:12 PM 12/2/2009, you wrote:
> >>Rollie:
> >>
> >>The muffler was designed to be held down on only three corners. I would
> >>not suggest your modifying it! Our 1994, #150 started leaking at the
> >>bottom seam about 6 years ago. I had it repaired twice by a fiberglass
> >>shop and I did a repair once myself. I think part of the problem is that
> >>vibration between the engine and the fixed muffler is what caused the
> >>seperations. I think by your tightening the screws, you might be adding
> >>to the problem. On the replacement muffler, I did not attach it to the
> >>platform it sits on. The two hoses attached to it hold it in place. I
> >>placed a thin foam pad underneath the muffler to avoid abrasion/chaffing
> >>of the muffler or platform.
> >>
> >>The hose you describe with the 3" bulb in it I think is designed to
> >>absorbe some of the vibrations. I had looked at them when I made the
> >>replacement, but decided to leave the muffler "float" to avoid putting
> >>stress on the muffler. I believe it was referred to as a Hump Hose.
> >>
> >>Dave Gleason
> >>Proud Mary, #150
> >>
> >>
> >>On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:47:58 +0000 (UTC) argates2nd at comcast.net writes:
> >> >
> >> > Our 1995 model #182 has only 3 screws holding down the aqua lift
> >> > muffler? The aft port corner has no hole and no screw. Is that
> >> > normal?
> >> >
> >> > Should I try to add a screw to that corner by drilling a hole and
> >> > self threading with the screw?
> >> >
> >> > I may have some leaking from that corner, although the other 3
> >> > screws were not very tight and I tightened them today but did not
> >> > run the engine afterwards.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Our Perkins does not seem to have an exhaust elbow like those
> >> > described in recent e-mails? The closest thing to it is a 9 inch
> >> > pipe with a 3" bulb in the center where a 60 degree downward curve
> >> > exists coming off the aft end of the engine, labeled "exhaust
> >> > outlet" in the Perkins manual, which clamps to the reinforced hose
> >> > before the muffler.
> >> >
> >> > Is that the elbow that should be removed from the back of the engine
> >> > and checked for carbon build up & deterioration?
> >> >
> >> > Our Perkins engine has 570 hours.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks, Rollie Punta Gorda, FL
> >> >
> >>
> >>____________________________________________________________
> >>Hotel
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> >
> > Pat Moriarty
> > PSI Urethanes Inc
> > PH: 800-888-5156 Fax: 512-837-8733
> > Please visit our web site at
> > www.psiurethanes.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:59:07 -0600
> > From: Pat Moriarty
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow
> > Message-ID: <20091203155908.9CD982000E75 at proxy0.logixcom.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >
> > Catalina, but I had the original drawing and the replacement was
> > about 95% correct. They want you to send in your old one and they
> > will make to match which is critical on the input and output. I live
> > in Texas and we do not have an off season so I just went with the
> > drawing and my new one doesn't really lay on the sole but I don't
> > care since I put a urethane pad under it so there is no rattle or
> > hum. I am betting there is less stress on the whole thing not being
> > screwed down and then having the engine tug on it with the very short
> > stiff exhaust hose.
> >
> > At 09:50 AM 12/3/2009, you wrote:
> >
> >>PAT
> >>
> >>Where did you get your new one.
> >>
> >>Tony
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Pat Moriarty
> >>To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> >>Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2009 8:28 am
> >>Subject: Re: [C320-list] 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow
> >>
> >>
> >>I did basically the same thing on 1994 boat. I think the bottom
> >>flexed too much with exhaust pressure and caused the seam failure.
> >>Repaired several times and finally got a new one.
> >>
> >>Pat #130
> >>
> >>At 09:12 PM 12/2/2009, you wrote:
> >> >Rollie:
> >> >
> >> >The muffler was designed to be held down on only three corners. I would
> >> >not suggest your modifying it! Our 1994, #150 started leaking at the
> >> >bottom seam about 6 years ago. I had it repaired twice by a fiberglass
> >> >shop and I did a repair once myself. I think part of the problem is that
> >> >vibration between the engine and the fixed muffler is what caused the
> >> >seperations. I think by your tightening the screws, you might be adding
> >> >to the problem. On the replacement muffler, I did not attach it to the
> >> >platform it sits on. The two hoses attached to it hold it in place. I
> >> >placed a thin foam pad underneath the muffler to avoid abrasion/chaffing
> >> >of the muffler or platform.
> >> >
> >> >The hose you describe with the 3" bulb in it I think is designed to
> >> >absorbe some of the vibrations. I had looked at them when I made the
> >> >replacement, but decided to leave the muffler "float" to avoid putting
> >> >stress on the muffler. I believe it was referred to as a Hump Hose.
> >> >
> >> >Dave Gleason
> >> >Proud Mary, #150
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:47:58 +0000 (UTC) argates2nd at comcast.net writes:
> >> > >
> >> > > Our 1995 model #182 has only 3 screws holding down the aqua lift
> >> > > muffler? The aft port corner has no hole and no screw. Is that
> >> > > normal?
> >> > >
> >> > > Should I try to add a screw to that corner by drilling a hole and
> >> > > self threading with the screw?
> >> > >
> >> > > I may have some leaking from that corner, although the other 3
> >> > > screws were not very tight and I tightened them today but did not
> >> > > run the engine afterwards.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Our Perkins does not seem to have an exhaust elbow like those
> >> > > described in recent e-mails? The closest thing to it is a 9 inch
> >> > > pipe with a 3" bulb in the center where a 60 degree downward curve
> >> > > exists coming off the aft end of the engine, labeled "exhaust
> >> > > outlet" in the Perkins manual, which clamps to the reinforced hose
> >> > > before the muffler.
> >> > >
> >> > > Is that the elbow that should be removed from the back of the engine
> >> > > and checked for carbon build up & deterioration?
> >> > >
> >> > > Our Perkins engine has 570 hours.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks, Rollie Punta Gorda, FL
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >____________________________________________________________
> >> >Hotel
> >> >Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online.
> >> >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=QCuhnyd9MzEwHhxjKWk5M
> >>
> wAAJ1BDY27WE-_hJ6PiyojBOv0KAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATRAAAAAA=
> >>
> >>
> >>Pat Moriarty
> >>PSI Urethanes Inc
> >>PH: 800-888-5156 Fax: 512-837-8733
> >>Please visit our web site at
> >>www.psiurethanes.com
> >>
> >
> > Pat Moriarty
> > PSI Urethanes Inc
> > PH: 800-888-5156 Fax: 512-837-8733
> > Please visit our web site at
> > www.psiurethanes.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:56:51 -0800 (PST)
> > From: jim brown
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Membership
> > Message-ID: <766307.78316.qm at web58607.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Karl,
> > I thought that there was a list on the website that listed members of the
> > association and when their membership was up. Was I thinking of another
> > organization or site?
> >
> > Jim Brown
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Karl Mielenhausen _/)
> > To: C320IA Discussion List
> > Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 4:07:54 AM
> > Subject: [C320-list] Membership
> >
> > Fellow owners,
> >
> > How much money or time have you saved this year by being a member of the
> > C320 discussion list or by finding reference info on our website?
> > Are you a dues paying member of the C320IA, the group that underwrites the
> > cost of this list and the association website?
> > Are you getting the Mainsheet magazine and seeing information from the
> > other Catalina associations and technical information on other boat
> > models, much of which is applicable to the 320?
> >
> > I am proud that we are one of the stronger associations but we need YOUR
> > help to keep it that way. If you are not a dues-paying member, please
> > consider joining. At $24, it's the best bargain in boating!!
> > Better yet, contact one of the officers and volunteer you time and talent.
> >
> > And to you non-owner, lurkers out there: you too can join the association,
> > even prior to buying your Catalina.
> >
> > Link to membership (we prefer PayPal, but will take a check- US$):
> > http://www.catalina320.com/staticpages/index.php?page=_IA_MembershipForm
> >
> > Link to officers:
> > http://www.catalina320.com/staticpages/index.php?page=_IA_ContactForm
> >
> > Link to more info on membership benefits:
> > http://www.catalina320.com/filemgmt/index.php?id=97
> >
> > Karl Mielenhausen
> > Commodore, C320IA
> > Catalina 320 Hull 690
> > New Bern, NC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:06:04 -0800 (PST)
> > From: pat reynolds
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow
> > Message-ID: <563424.40955.qm at web36505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Rollie, my 1995 (249) has a westerbeke engine but I assume the same
> > muffler was used. Mine also had no screw at the aft port quarter probably
> > since the area is difficult to get to. The lack of the screw should have
> > no bearing on a leak since the lip of the muffler is solid glass. The
> > actual enclosed box is the muffler. Mine developed a leak under the
> > intake neck closest to the engine after 12 years. The water can run down
> > and end up most anywhere. Check under both inlets while the engine is
> > running to see if you can feel water. Vibration over the years is
> > probably the cause
> >
> > If you need to replace the muffler thru Catalina send the old one back and
> > not just a picture. I ordered a new one and the height and inlet angles
> > were quite different even tho they said I should just send a photo.
> >
> > Pat R.
> >
> > --- On Wed, 12/2/09, argates2nd at comcast.net
> > wrote:
> >
> >> From: argates2nd at comcast.net
> >> Subject: [C320-list] 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow
> >> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> >> Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 4:47 PM
> >>
> >> Our 1995 model #182 has only 3 screws holding down the aqua
> >> lift muffler? The aft port corner has no hole and no screw.
> >> Is that normal?
> >>
> >> Should I try to add a screw to that corner by drilling a
> >> hole and self threading with the screw?
> >>
> >> I may have some leaking from that corner, although the
> >> other 3 screws were not very tight and I tightened them
> >> today but did not run the engine afterwards.
> >>
> >>
> >> Our Perkins does not seem to have an exhaust elbow like
> >> those described in recent e-mails? The closest thing to it
> >> is a 9 inch pipe with a 3" bulb in the center where a 60
> >> degree downward curve exists coming off the aft end of the
> >> engine, labeled "exhaust outlet" in the Perkins manual,
> >> which clamps to the reinforced hose before the muffler.
> >>
> >> Is that the elbow that should be removed from the back of
> >> the engine and checked for carbon build up &
> >> deterioration?
> >>
> >> Our Perkins engine has 570 hours.
> >>
> >> Thanks, Rollie Punta Gorda, FL
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:08:57 -0500
> > From: "Warren Updike"
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow
> > Message-ID:
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Rollie, what I understand is the Perkins elbow is cast iron and make by
> > Perkins for this engine. Some of the (early) Yanmars had non-cast iron
> > elbow made by or for Catalina.
> >
> > We have over 1,400 hrs on #62 and the one time I inspected the elbow
> > (about 800hrs,)it looked just fine with no build-up. I do run my engine up
> > to operating temp each time we go out; and, run it for a few minutes at
> > low revs before shutting down. I hear that has a lot to do with the degree
> > of carbonization in the exhaust system, not to mention the contamination
> > of the engine oil. My rule: when I run it, I run it hard. I cruise at
> > 2,700RPM which is about 5-6 kts. depending on wind and tide.
> >
> > Warren & Pattie Updike
> > Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
> > Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: argates2nd at comcast.net [mailto:argates2nd at comcast.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 5:48 PM
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: [C320-list] 1995 C320 Aqua Lift Muffler & Elbow
> >
> >
> > Our 1995 model #182 has only 3 screws holding down the aqua lift muffler?
> > The aft port corner has no hole and no screw. Is that normal?
> >
> > Should I try to add a screw to that corner by drilling a hole and self
> > threading with the screw?
> >
> > I may have some leaking from that corner, although the other 3 screws were
> > not very tight and I tightened them today but did not run the engine
> > afterwards.
> >
> >
> > Our Perkins does not seem to have an exhaust elbow like those described in
> > recent e-mails? The closest thing to it is a 9 inch pipe with a 3" bulb in
> > the center where a 60 degree downward curve exists coming off the aft end
> > of the engine, labeled "exhaust outlet" in the Perkins manual, which
> > clamps to the reinforced hose before the muffler.
> >
> > Is that the elbow that should be removed from the back of the engine and
> > checked for carbon build up & deterioration?
> >
> > Our Perkins engine has 570 hours.
> >
> > Thanks, Rollie Punta Gorda, FL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:18:15 -0500
> > From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/)"
> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Membership
> > Message-ID:
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed;
> > delsp=yes
> >
> > Jim,
> > You are correct... That used to be a feature of the hull number listing,
> > but it was quite labor intensive to maintain. Jeff removed that field
> > about 2 years ago.
> > He is currently redo-ing that feature on the website and we should be able
> > to make a direct feed from our membership records.
> > BTW, you are paid up through March 2010 (the Feb Mainsheet).
> > Hope to see you soon....
> >
> > On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:56:51 -0500, jim brown
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Karl,
> >> I thought that there was a list on the website that listed members of
> >> the association and when their membership was up. Was I thinking of
> >> another organization or site?
> >>
> >> Jim Brown
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Karl Mielenhausen _/)
> >> To: C320IA Discussion List
> >> Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 4:07:54 AM
> >> Subject: [C320-list] Membership
> >>
> >> Fellow owners,
> >>
> >> How much money or time have you saved this year by being a member of the
> >> C320 discussion list or by finding reference info on our website?
> >> Are you a dues paying member of the C320IA, the group that underwrites
> >> the cost of this list and the association website?
> >> Are you getting the Mainsheet magazine and seeing information from the
> >> other Catalina associations and technical information on other boat
> >> models, much of which is applicable to the 320?
> >>
> >> I am proud that we are one of the stronger associations but we need YOUR
> >> help to keep it that way. If you are not a dues-paying member, please
> >> consider joining. At $24, it's the best bargain in boating!!
> >> Better yet, contact one of the officers and volunteer you time and
> >> talent.
> >>
> >> And to you non-owner, lurkers out there: you too can join the
> >> association, even prior to buying your Catalina.
> >>
> >> Link to membership (we prefer PayPal, but will take a check- US$):
> >> http://www.catalina320.com/staticpages/index.php?page=_IA_MembershipForm
> >>
> >> Link to officers:
> >> http://www.catalina320.com/staticpages/index.php?page=_IA_ContactForm
> >>
> >> Link to more info on membership benefits:
> >> http://www.catalina320.com/filemgmt/index.php?id=97
> >>
> >> Karl Mielenhausen
> >> Commodore, C320IA
> >> Catalina 320 Hull 690
> >> New Bern, NC
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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