[C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
Kirk McCullough
kirk.mccullough at telus.net
Mon Feb 2 18:26:47 PST 2009
I don' t have and engine kill switch, just the T handle which releases the
cylinder compression to stop the engine.
Kirk
#124
----- Original Message -----
From: <bruceheyman at cox.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
> What kill switch? Most diesels require you block the air or the fuel.
> Ours blocks the fuel. We will have to come up with a servo that can move
> the same lever arm as the red t-handled kill on our engine pods. Am I
> missing an angle?
> Bruce
> Somerset 671 SoCal
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean Vermeire <dean at vermeire.us>
>
> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:46:16
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>
>
> I'm thinking you'd probably want to wire the new kill switch in series
> with the existing, not in parallel.
>
> John Frost wrote:
>> I think the engine kill part will be pretty straightforward by just
>> adding,
>> in parallel with my engine stop switch, a new standard kill switch that
>> the
>> unit was designed to trip. Turning off the autopilot would also be easy
>> (using the same kill switch output) but not too effective as well
>> balanced
>> as my helm is. The command to tack (without releasing the jib) might put
>> me
>> in a semi heave-to position that at least wouldn't plow across the lake
>> at 5
>> kts. Any thoughts on that approach?
>>
>> John Frost
>> 2007 C320 MKII, Hull # 1118
>> Lake Guntersville, AL
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
>> Santangelo
>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:54 AM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I can see the little buzzer thing being a great idea. I seem to
>> recall a couple years back someone falling overboard on Lake Huron and
>> the person below was sleeping - never heard a thing. The individual
>> who fell overboard did drown.
>>
>> I can see the engine kill switch too - have it on my little J22 and
>> out board is shut off if I go in. Of course I need the lanyard hooked
>> to me! And no, I have not fallen in yet...
>>
>> BUT falling in with the sails up is a very complicated matter. For
>> such a set up I see the need for all these added control lines to the
>> sails tied to the system. Rope clutch releases, winch releases,
>> automatic tacking, maybe a sail dropping system. Too complicated, too
>> many lines and probably unworkable with the current boat configuration.
>>
>> To keep it easy with sails if you are worried about failing into the
>> water and having the sailboat go bye bye under sail is to get a boat
>> like the Nonsuch. It has one BIG main sail and no head sail.
>> Performance to windward is bad, however the rigging is very simple. A
>> system could be easily rigged to either release the sheet (a little
>> complicated) or drop the mainsail (fairly easy).
>>
>> My two pennies worth...
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Andrew
>> C320 "Dawn Treader"
>> #333
>>
>> P.S. - I leave next week from New Mexico to Holland, Michigan to check
>> on my baby and do the final prep for it to be shipped to California.
>> Right now I hear there is 4' of snow around it. :-(
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 30, 2009, at 7:19 AM, Larry Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> I have seen these devices advertised and wondered if they could work
>>> on a
>>> sailboat including the autopilot. I will be anxiously awaiting your
>>> report.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>> WindSwept C320 #246
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of John
>>> Frost
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:19 PM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>>>
>>> For Christmas I bought myself a gizmo that sets off an alarm if you
>>> fall
>>> overboard wearing the little dongle. I've tried it and it seems to
>>> work
>>> nicely. I can traverse the boat freely but if it goes in the water
>>> it wails.
>>> We often motor for several miles with my Captain down below fixing
>>> food etc.
>>> She has no idea what I am up to on deck. My hope is she will know it
>>> if I
>>> disappear. My other hope is she will look kindly on the desirability
>>> of
>>> coming back to get me.
>>>
>>> Now to the interesting part. This device also has a little solenoid
>>> meant to
>>> be hooked to the lanyard kill switch on small power boats. It will
>>> flip that
>>> switch to stop the motor. I hope over the summer to modify my engine
>>> stop
>>> button to shut my motor down, and maybe even turn off (or tack to
>>> heave to)
>>> the autopilot if under sail. I'll let you know if it works.
>>>
>>> John
>>> 2007 C320 MKII, Hull # 1118
>>> Lake Guntersville, AL
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>>> Culbertson
>>> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:16 PM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>>>
>>> The issue Orlando raised and others have commented on about the boat
>>> moving
>>> vs not moving is the one I've found no solution for. I've always
>>> figured
>>> that getting the boat stopped is the enabler of the other tools for
>>> getting
>>> yourself back on board.
>>>
>>> If you're moving, it's either under power or under sail. I've always
>>> guessed that if under sail, the key would be getting the autopilot
>>> disengaged (if enabled) to round up (wouldn't work on a run). If
>>> under
>>> power, I figure the key is getting into neutral and ideally idle
>>> speed with
>>> neutral being required and idle speed being desirable.
>>>
>>> If there are gadgets on the market to address either of these two
>>> situations, I've not found them. I'm kind of amazed that nothing
>>> commercial
>>> seems to exist.
>>>
>>> -bill
>>> Harmony #859
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com" <Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
>>>
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Cc: C320-List at Catalina320.com; c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:39:52 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>>>
>>> I'm assuming all of this talk about grabbing a ladder while single
>>> handing
>>> presupposes that the boat will be standing still and not moving either
>>> under sail or power... :)
>>>
>>> If you're sailing alone and fall overboard, good luck in trying to
>>> lower
>>> any ladder..
>>>
>>> My strategery has always been to stay IN the boat.. :)
>>>
>>> OD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David J Gleason
>>> <djgleason1 at juno
>>> .com>
>>> To
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>>> Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII
>>> ladder &
>>> safety
>>> 01/26/2009 08:14
>>> AM
>>>
>>>
>>> Please respond
>>> to
>>> C320-List at Catali
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wayne:
>>>
>>> I have done some single handed sailing and the thought of not being
>>> able
>>> to lower the ladder from the water has always bothered me. I have
>>> thought of tying the ladder up with yarn that could be broken with a
>>> good
>>> pull. However I then need to run a line across the access opening
>>> so as
>>> not to fall backward out of the cockpit.
>>>
>>> If you could describe the arrangement you use, I would appreciate it.
>>> Photos would be a great help.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Dave Gleason
>>> Proud Mary, #150
>>>
>>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:04:05 -0800 (PST) Wayne Strickland
>>> <nadowayne at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Ladder deployment if in the water and not having a mate onboard, was
>>>> a concern of mine. I attached lines to the latches and to the
>>>> ladder and they can easily be reached while in the water. The lines
>>>> release the ladder and pull it down to the water.
>>>> Safety is a good thing.
>>>>
>>>> Wayne Strickland
>>>> Wayne's World 594
>>>> Coronado, CA.
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Sail0983 at aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> While I don't like it I think the advantage is that it can be
>>>> deployed by
>>>> someone in the water.
>>>>
>>>> Dave Marchant
>>>> Illumination #983
>>>> Solomons, MD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 1/23/2009 8:23:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> bcampbell at valp.net writes:
>>>>
>>>> What's up with the cheap stern boarding ladder on the new boats?
>>>> Even the
>>>> C375 has it and they don't seam to be very user friendly.
>>>>
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