[C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
warren updike
wupdike at hotmail.com
Thu Feb 5 16:56:56 PST 2009
I've tried that; and, if fact, that is how I generally start the engine.
First, pull out the shut-off, crank the engine for a few seconds, push in
the shut-off, start the engine. This works especially well for a cold start,
that is a start in cold air. The super high compression of a diesel
pre-heats the cylinders making the starting much easier. On the Perkins with
glow plugs, this means less battery energy to start the engine - perhaps.
Also, this technique helps to lubricate the internals without firing-up the
cylinders.
The shut-of on the Perkins does, indeed, shut off the fuel at the high
pressure pump.
Warren & Pattie Updike
Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
-----Original Message-----
From: Kirk McCullough [mailto:kirk.mccullough at telus.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:50 PM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
Have you ever tried to start the Perkins with the handle up? The engines
turns over very easily, almost like there is no compression. Of course it
won't start, but it sure turns over quickly.
-----Original Message-----
From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
[mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Pat Moriarty
Sent: 03 February 2009 05:20
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
The engine shut off cuts off the fuel at the injector pump and has
nothing to do with compression or the engine. On diesel engines with
an electric cutoff it does the same thing, stops the fuel flow. Since
they have no ignition system all a diesel needs is air and fuel.
Pat #130
At 08:26 PM 2/2/2009, you wrote:
>I don' t have and engine kill switch, just the T handle which
>releases the cylinder compression to stop the engine.
>
>Kirk
>#124
>----- Original Message ----- From: <bruceheyman at cox.net>
>To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:55 AM
>Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>
>
>>What kill switch? Most diesels require you block the air or the
>>fuel. Ours blocks the fuel. We will have to come up with a servo
>>that can move the same lever arm as the red t-handled kill on our
>>engine pods. Am I missing an angle?
>>Bruce
>>Somerset 671 SoCal
>>Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dean Vermeire <dean at vermeire.us>
>>
>>Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:46:16
>>To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>>
>>
>>I'm thinking you'd probably want to wire the new kill switch in series
>>with the existing, not in parallel.
>>
>>John Frost wrote:
>>>I think the engine kill part will be pretty straightforward by just
adding,
>>>in parallel with my engine stop switch, a new standard kill switch that
the
>>>unit was designed to trip. Turning off the autopilot would also be easy
>>>(using the same kill switch output) but not too effective as well
balanced
>>>as my helm is. The command to tack (without releasing the jib) might put
me
>>>in a semi heave-to position that at least wouldn't plow across the lake
at 5
>>>kts. Any thoughts on that approach?
>>>
>>>John Frost
>>>2007 C320 MKII, Hull # 1118
>>>Lake Guntersville, AL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>[mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
>>>Santangelo
>>>Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:54 AM
>>>To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>>>
>>>Hello All,
>>>
>>>I can see the little buzzer thing being a great idea. I seem to
>>>recall a couple years back someone falling overboard on Lake Huron and
>>>the person below was sleeping - never heard a thing. The individual
>>>who fell overboard did drown.
>>>
>>>I can see the engine kill switch too - have it on my little J22 and
>>>out board is shut off if I go in. Of course I need the lanyard hooked
>>>to me! And no, I have not fallen in yet...
>>>
>>>BUT falling in with the sails up is a very complicated matter. For
>>>such a set up I see the need for all these added control lines to the
>>>sails tied to the system. Rope clutch releases, winch releases,
>>>automatic tacking, maybe a sail dropping system. Too complicated, too
>>>many lines and probably unworkable with the current boat configuration.
>>>
>>>To keep it easy with sails if you are worried about failing into the
>>>water and having the sailboat go bye bye under sail is to get a boat
>>>like the Nonsuch. It has one BIG main sail and no head sail.
>>>Performance to windward is bad, however the rigging is very simple. A
>>>system could be easily rigged to either release the sheet (a little
>>>complicated) or drop the mainsail (fairly easy).
>>>
>>>My two pennies worth...
>>>
>>>Best Regards,
>>>Andrew
>>>C320 "Dawn Treader"
>>>#333
>>>
>>>P.S. - I leave next week from New Mexico to Holland, Michigan to check
>>>on my baby and do the final prep for it to be shipped to California.
>>>Right now I hear there is 4' of snow around it. :-(
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Jan 30, 2009, at 7:19 AM, Larry Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>John,
>>>>
>>>>I have seen these devices advertised and wondered if they could work
>>>>on a
>>>>sailboat including the autopilot. I will be anxiously awaiting your
>>>>report.
>>>>
>>>>Larry
>>>>WindSwept C320 #246
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>>[mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of John
>>>>Frost
>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:19 PM
>>>>To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>>>>
>>>>For Christmas I bought myself a gizmo that sets off an alarm if you
>>>>fall
>>>>overboard wearing the little dongle. I've tried it and it seems to
>>>>work
>>>>nicely. I can traverse the boat freely but if it goes in the water
>>>>it wails.
>>>>We often motor for several miles with my Captain down below fixing
>>>>food etc.
>>>>She has no idea what I am up to on deck. My hope is she will know it
>>>>if I
>>>>disappear. My other hope is she will look kindly on the desirability
>>>>of
>>>>coming back to get me.
>>>>
>>>>Now to the interesting part. This device also has a little solenoid
>>>>meant to
>>>>be hooked to the lanyard kill switch on small power boats. It will
>>>>flip that
>>>>switch to stop the motor. I hope over the summer to modify my engine
>>>>stop
>>>>button to shut my motor down, and maybe even turn off (or tack to
>>>>heave to)
>>>>the autopilot if under sail. I'll let you know if it works.
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>>2007 C320 MKII, Hull # 1118
>>>>Lake Guntersville, AL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>>[mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>>>>Culbertson
>>>>Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:16 PM
>>>>To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>>>>
>>>>The issue Orlando raised and others have commented on about the boat
>>>>moving
>>>>vs not moving is the one I've found no solution for. I've always
>>>>figured
>>>>that getting the boat stopped is the enabler of the other tools for
>>>>getting
>>>>yourself back on board.
>>>>
>>>>If you're moving, it's either under power or under sail. I've always
>>>>guessed that if under sail, the key would be getting the autopilot
>>>>disengaged (if enabled) to round up (wouldn't work on a run). If
>>>>under
>>>>power, I figure the key is getting into neutral and ideally idle
>>>>speed with
>>>>neutral being required and idle speed being desirable.
>>>>
>>>>If there are gadgets on the market to address either of these two
>>>>situations, I've not found them. I'm kind of amazed that nothing
>>>>commercial
>>>>seems to exist.
>>>>
>>>> -bill
>>>> Harmony #859
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>>From: "Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com" <Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
>>>>
>>>>To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>Cc: C320-List at Catalina320.com; c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>>Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:39:52 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>>>>
>>>>I'm assuming all of this talk about grabbing a ladder while single
>>>>handing
>>>>presupposes that the boat will be standing still and not moving either
>>>>under sail or power... :)
>>>>
>>>>If you're sailing alone and fall overboard, good luck in trying to
>>>>lower
>>>>any ladder..
>>>>
>>>>My strategery has always been to stay IN the boat.. :)
>>>>
>>>>OD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David J Gleason
>>>> <djgleason1 at juno
>>>> .com>
>>>>To
>>>> Sent by: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> c320-list-
>>>>bounce cc
>>>> s at lists.catalina C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> 320.com
>>>>Subject
>>>> Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII
>>>>ladder &
>>>> safety
>>>> 01/26/2009 08:14
>>>> AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please respond
>>>> to
>>>> C320-List at Catali
>>>> na320.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Wayne:
>>>>
>>>>I have done some single handed sailing and the thought of not being
>>>>able
>>>>to lower the ladder from the water has always bothered me. I have
>>>>thought of tying the ladder up with yarn that could be broken with a
>>>>good
>>>>pull. However I then need to run a line across the access opening
>>>>so as
>>>>not to fall backward out of the cockpit.
>>>>
>>>>If you could describe the arrangement you use, I would appreciate it.
>>>>Photos would be a great help.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Dave Gleason
>>>>Proud Mary, #150
>>>>
>>>>On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:04:05 -0800 (PST) Wayne Strickland
>>>><nadowayne at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>Ladder deployment if in the water and not having a mate onboard, was
>>>>>a concern of mine. I attached lines to the latches and to the
>>>>>ladder and they can easily be reached while in the water. The lines
>>>>>release the ladder and pull it down to the water.
>>>>>Safety is a good thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wayne Strickland
>>>>>Wayne's World 594
>>>>>Coronado, CA.
>>>>>
>>>>>On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Sail0983 at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>While I don't like it I think the advantage is that it can be
>>>>>deployed by
>>>>>someone in the water.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dave Marchant
>>>>>Illumination #983
>>>>>Solomons, MD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>In a message dated 1/23/2009 8:23:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>bcampbell at valp.net writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>What's up with the cheap stern boarding ladder on the new boats?
>>>>>Even the
>>>>>C375 has it and they don't seam to be very user friendly.
>>>>>
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