[C320-list] Process for bottom painting while commissioning a new Catalina?

[catalina at thehares.com]

On a pad of rebate coupons right next to the paint (when the rebate is
active).
They advertise the CPP and Rebate in their fliers in the spring usually.

-Jeff

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:21:52 -0500, Robert Seastream
<robert.seastream at comcast.net> wrote:
> Jeff, I gather West doesn't give you problems with the boat show
> coupon, but where do you get the $35 mail in rebate coupon from, West?
> 
> Bob Seastream
> Intuition # 906
> 
> On Jan 28, 2009, at 2:51 PM, Jeff Hare wrote:
> 
>> Jon / Rod,
>>
>>  We're located in the northeast US with salt/brackish water.
>>
>>  I used to use Micron CSC.  I switched a few years ago to
>> West Marine CPP and it worked noticeably better than CSC did in our
>> area (and the CSC worked pretty well).
>>
>> I get CPP when West puts it on sale for around $120/ gallon, then
>> use a boat show 20% off coupon, and pick up the $35 mail in rebate
>> coupon.  Makes it the best deal in bottom paint.
>>
>> As for the procedure, scraping it down to gelcoat is a good idea,
>> followed by a liberal washing down with mold release / acetone.
>>
>> Then put on a couple coats of RED barrier paint, followed by a couple
>> coats of Blue ablative.
>>
>> Where you see red barrier showing through is where you've
>> worn off the ablative and need to recoat.  I think you'll find that
>> the leading edges of the keel, bow, and the rudder (along with all
>> the places you run into stuff :) are about the only places where
>> you'll
>> really need to repaint every year, depending on how aggressively your
>> boat is power washed at haulout.
>>
>> You'll save money and time (both in annual painting as well as the
>> investment you made in stripping your hull) by only repainting the
>> high
>> wear areas each season with the whole hull every other year. Even
>> ablative
>> seems to begin to chip off if it gets too thick, and you'll be back
>> where
>> you started.
>>
>> My opinions... :)
>>
>> -Jeff Hare
>>
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:54 PM
> 
>> Process for bottom painting while commissioning a new Catalina?
>>
>> Rod,
>>
>> This is my experience as well--I use Micron CSC extra and at $200
>> plus a
>> gallon it is quite frustrating trying to get a good coat on. I have
>> the
>> craters as well the trouble of having the paint come off on the
>> roller and
>> it was getting worse every year. However I think I've hit the point of
>> diminishing returns. Over the years most of the original paint is
>> probably
>> gone and last fall there were much fewer areas of old paint rolling
>> off with
>> the new. I've also started keeping my boat in the water every other
>> winter
>> and the Micron is great while in the water--even when I have a diver
>> clean
>> the bottom. I've been able to reduce the craters little by little
>> and now I
>> can *almost* justify the cost of the Micron :)
>> Sorry to hear you were injured, hopefully all is well now...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:12 PM
>> Process for bottom painting while commissioning a new Catalina?
>>
>> Jon,
>>
>> I have been using the same approach; however, the bottom paint is
>> failing at
>> an increasing rate.  When I start rolling a coating of the more
>> expensive
>> bottom paint and the previously layers just peel off on the roller
>> it drives
>> me crazy because it is almost impossible to get it smooth.  It chips
>> off
>> pretty easily; however, I injured my arm when fending off a piling
>> in the
>> fall so I will probably use a stripper that won't damage the gel coat.
>>
>> I agree with you that it was probably an issue with removing the mold
>> release or in my case the weather might have been unsettled during the
>> commissioning.  Thanks.
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:55 PM
>> Process for bottom painting while commissioning a new Catalina?
>>
>> Rod,
>>
>> I had the same problem when mine was commissioned (in '99) and I
>> believe it
>> is because of the dealer doing a shoddy job of removing the mold
>> release.
>> I've since seen that mine wasn't the exception. Had I determined
>> this after
>> the first season I would have taken it back to the dealer and had it
>> redone.
>> Needless to say I've been paying the price ever since. As chunks of
>> paint
>> come off I dewax and try to build up the area. My hope is over time
>> I will
>> get good adhesion over time.
>> I looked into soda blasting but I didn't feel comfortable with the
>> process.
>> Even though the medium is soft, it can still penetrate the
>> vinylester. I had
>> the soda blaster try a test patch on my keel and it resulted in some
>> pock
>> marks. The soda blaster ultimately wasn't comfortable doing the job
>> either.
>> I may try a chemical stripper at some point, but this is a big job
>> and I
>> think the little by little approach is the one I'm going to stick
>> with for
>> now...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jon Vez
>> Solstice #582
>>
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:16 PM
>> Process for bottom painting while commissioning a new Catalina?
>>
>> All,
>>
>> Is anyone familiar with the current practice of painting the bottom of
>> Catalina's when commissioning.  When Odyssey, which has a vinyl
>> ester hull,
>> was commissioned in the summer of 1999, the process at the dealer I
>> purchased it from was to remove the mold release, apply a no-sand
>> primer,
>> and then apply a coat of Interlux ACT.  My understanding was that this
>> process was recommended by Catalina at that time.  This spring I
>> plan to
>> strip the bottom down to the gel coat and would like to know the
>> current
>> procedure.
>>
>> The bottom paint has been a problem from the beginning but I think
>> that it
>> might have been caused by the execution of the process but not
>> necessarily
>> the process.  It would be helpful to compare the current process
>> versus the
>> process when commissioned.  Thanks.
>>
>> Rod Boer
>> Odyssey
>>