[C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
Robert E. Sloat
resloat at comcast.net
Fri Jan 30 14:32:30 PST 2009
John-Thanks for the information on the MKII. Constant small changes and
improvements on the C320 were not on my mind. The shut down button for the
MKII is an elegant improvement. I am not an expert on this, but would think
power on the solenoid would shut down the engine. The default with no
electrical power would seem to be to let the engine run should you have no
electrical power but are motoring. I assume there is some manual override.
Bob Sloat
Savannah 894
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Frost" <john at frostnet.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
> You are right about the effect of the key switch. But my MKII has an
> electric push button engine kill switch on the instrument panel that I
> assume activates a solenoid to shut the engine down. That is different
> than
> the cable pull I had on my C270 and makes this trick possible, I hope. I
> am
> guessing the solenoid is turned on when I push the button, which is why I
> would think wiring in parallel will be correct. I may need a small relay
> if
> the new switch doesn't have a NO (Normally Open) set of contacts. I also
> will have to remind my Captain how to reset the switch to come back and
> get
> me before I wrinkle.
>
> By the way Bob, when I looked at automatic fire extinguishers I'm pretty
> sure the diesel engine kill solenoid was available as an accessory.
>
> John 2007 C320 MKII, Hull # 1118
> Lake Guntersville, AL
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Robert E.
> Sloat
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:29 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>
> Bruce-Agree. The only thing that kill switch would do is to turn off the
> engine alarms on the engine instrumentation. A complicated servo switch,
> most likely installed on the engine fuel shut off cable, would be needed.
> You would need to some how link the MOB signal to the servo.
>
> I remember that on my halon fire extinguisher installed in the engine box
> there an option for an engine shutoff device that worked when the
> temperature sensor on the fire extinguisher sensed a fire. For gasoline
> engines shutting down the ignition system would be relatively simple. For
> diesels I will have to check to see if the fire extinguisher manufacture
> offer that option.
>
> Bob Sloat
> Savannah 894
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bruceheyman at cox.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 10:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>
>
>> What kill switch? Most diesels require you block the air or the fuel.
>> Ours blocks the fuel. We will have to come up with a servo that can move
>> the same lever arm as the red t-handled kill on our engine pods. Am I
>> missing an angle?
>> Bruce
>> Somerset 671 SoCal
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dean Vermeire <dean at vermeire.us>
>>
>> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:46:16
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>>
>>
>> I'm thinking you'd probably want to wire the new kill switch in series
>> with the existing, not in parallel.
>>
>> John Frost wrote:
>>> I think the engine kill part will be pretty straightforward by just
>>> adding,
>>> in parallel with my engine stop switch, a new standard kill switch that
>>> the
>>> unit was designed to trip. Turning off the autopilot would also be easy
>>> (using the same kill switch output) but not too effective as well
>>> balanced
>>> as my helm is. The command to tack (without releasing the jib) might put
>>> me
>>> in a semi heave-to position that at least wouldn't plow across the lake
>>> at 5
>>> kts. Any thoughts on that approach?
>>>
>>> John Frost
>>> 2007 C320 MKII, Hull # 1118
>>> Lake Guntersville, AL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
>>> Santangelo
>>> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:54 AM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I can see the little buzzer thing being a great idea. I seem to
>>> recall a couple years back someone falling overboard on Lake Huron and
>>> the person below was sleeping - never heard a thing. The individual
>>> who fell overboard did drown.
>>>
>>> I can see the engine kill switch too - have it on my little J22 and
>>> out board is shut off if I go in. Of course I need the lanyard hooked
>>> to me! And no, I have not fallen in yet...
>>>
>>> BUT falling in with the sails up is a very complicated matter. For
>>> such a set up I see the need for all these added control lines to the
>>> sails tied to the system. Rope clutch releases, winch releases,
>>> automatic tacking, maybe a sail dropping system. Too complicated, too
>>> many lines and probably unworkable with the current boat configuration.
>>>
>>> To keep it easy with sails if you are worried about failing into the
>>> water and having the sailboat go bye bye under sail is to get a boat
>>> like the Nonsuch. It has one BIG main sail and no head sail.
>>> Performance to windward is bad, however the rigging is very simple. A
>>> system could be easily rigged to either release the sheet (a little
>>> complicated) or drop the mainsail (fairly easy).
>>>
>>> My two pennies worth...
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Andrew
>>> C320 "Dawn Treader"
>>> #333
>>>
>>> P.S. - I leave next week from New Mexico to Holland, Michigan to check
>>> on my baby and do the final prep for it to be shipped to California.
>>> Right now I hear there is 4' of snow around it. :-(
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2009, at 7:19 AM, Larry Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> I have seen these devices advertised and wondered if they could work
>>>> on a
>>>> sailboat including the autopilot. I will be anxiously awaiting your
>>>> report.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>> WindSwept C320 #246
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of John
>>>> Frost
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:19 PM
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>>>>
>>>> For Christmas I bought myself a gizmo that sets off an alarm if you
>>>> fall
>>>> overboard wearing the little dongle. I've tried it and it seems to
>>>> work
>>>> nicely. I can traverse the boat freely but if it goes in the water
>>>> it wails.
>>>> We often motor for several miles with my Captain down below fixing
>>>> food etc.
>>>> She has no idea what I am up to on deck. My hope is she will know it
>>>> if I
>>>> disappear. My other hope is she will look kindly on the desirability
>>>> of
>>>> coming back to get me.
>>>>
>>>> Now to the interesting part. This device also has a little solenoid
>>>> meant to
>>>> be hooked to the lanyard kill switch on small power boats. It will
>>>> flip that
>>>> switch to stop the motor. I hope over the summer to modify my engine
>>>> stop
>>>> button to shut my motor down, and maybe even turn off (or tack to
>>>> heave to)
>>>> the autopilot if under sail. I'll let you know if it works.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> 2007 C320 MKII, Hull # 1118
>>>> Lake Guntersville, AL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>>>> Culbertson
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:16 PM
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>>>>
>>>> The issue Orlando raised and others have commented on about the boat
>>>> moving
>>>> vs not moving is the one I've found no solution for. I've always
>>>> figured
>>>> that getting the boat stopped is the enabler of the other tools for
>>>> getting
>>>> yourself back on board.
>>>>
>>>> If you're moving, it's either under power or under sail. I've always
>>>> guessed that if under sail, the key would be getting the autopilot
>>>> disengaged (if enabled) to round up (wouldn't work on a run). If
>>>> under
>>>> power, I figure the key is getting into neutral and ideally idle
>>>> speed with
>>>> neutral being required and idle speed being desirable.
>>>>
>>>> If there are gadgets on the market to address either of these two
>>>> situations, I've not found them. I'm kind of amazed that nothing
>>>> commercial
>>>> seems to exist.
>>>>
>>>> -bill
>>>> Harmony #859
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: "Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com"
>>>> <Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
>>>>
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Cc: C320-List at Catalina320.com; c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:39:52 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>>>>
>>>> I'm assuming all of this talk about grabbing a ladder while single
>>>> handing
>>>> presupposes that the boat will be standing still and not moving either
>>>> under sail or power... :)
>>>>
>>>> If you're sailing alone and fall overboard, good luck in trying to
>>>> lower
>>>> any ladder..
>>>>
>>>> My strategery has always been to stay IN the boat.. :)
>>>>
>>>> OD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David J Gleason
>>>> <djgleason1 at juno
>>>> .com>
>>>> To
>>>> Sent by: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> c320-list-
>>>> bounce cc
>>>> s at lists.catalina C320-List at Catalina320.com
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>>>> Subject
>>>> Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII
>>>> ladder &
>>>> safety
>>>> 01/26/2009 08:14
>>>> AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please respond
>>>> to
>>>> C320-List at Catali
>>>> na320.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wayne:
>>>>
>>>> I have done some single handed sailing and the thought of not being
>>>> able
>>>> to lower the ladder from the water has always bothered me. I have
>>>> thought of tying the ladder up with yarn that could be broken with a
>>>> good
>>>> pull. However I then need to run a line across the access opening
>>>> so as
>>>> not to fall backward out of the cockpit.
>>>>
>>>> If you could describe the arrangement you use, I would appreciate it.
>>>> Photos would be a great help.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Dave Gleason
>>>> Proud Mary, #150
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:04:05 -0800 (PST) Wayne Strickland
>>>> <nadowayne at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Ladder deployment if in the water and not having a mate onboard, was
>>>>> a concern of mine. I attached lines to the latches and to the
>>>>> ladder and they can easily be reached while in the water. The lines
>>>>> release the ladder and pull it down to the water.
>>>>> Safety is a good thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne Strickland
>>>>> Wayne's World 594
>>>>> Coronado, CA.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Sail0983 at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> While I don't like it I think the advantage is that it can be
>>>>> deployed by
>>>>> someone in the water.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Marchant
>>>>> Illumination #983
>>>>> Solomons, MD
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 1/23/2009 8:23:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>> bcampbell at valp.net writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> What's up with the cheap stern boarding ladder on the new boats?
>>>>> Even the
>>>>> C375 has it and they don't seam to be very user friendly.
>>>>>
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