[C320-list] Anti - Siphon Loop

Mon Jul 27 17:01:19 PDT 2009

Hi

My pump would not self prime when I had that layout on hull 925.  The dealer 
solution was to put a hose on the shower drain outlet (with Y valve on 
shower) and force water into the pump which then picked up the prime and 
generally held it for our summer season.  I would repeat the process each 
spring to re prime.  Only do this if you have made sure that there is no 
debris in the filter etc.  Mine was full of junk when delivered.  My MKII 
has the same issue with the shower drain even though it is plumbed 
differently.  The same solution works in the MKII

Regards

Jerry Brown
Indigo #1137
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/)" <c320 at suddenlink.net>
To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Anti - Siphon Loop

> There is a stainer associated with that pump (at least on my boat).
> I found that the o-ring was missing from its bowl and I could not draw a 
> suction.
> Strainer could be plugged with hair and other shower debris also.
>
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:14:48 -0400, Pat Kenefick 
> <pkenefick at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I recently checked the loop that is in the head cabinet as neither the 
>> shower or refrig. were pumping out. The valve seemed to be ok and 
>> working; my questions: is the cap to be screwed down tightly(simple hand 
>> turn tight) or are you loosen it a few turns ? Second question - if pump 
>> seems to be running correctly why would the water not be pumping out of 
>> the shower or refrig. knowing that the thru hull is open and anti- 
>> siphon is working ?
>> Thanks
>> Pat Kenefick
>> "Cynthia Gale"
>> Hull 833
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: 
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>> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 3:00 PM
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>>>   1. Forespar Novalift (Jim Sweet)
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>>>   3. Re: Fwd: Re:  microwave (Robert Seastream)
>>>   4. Re: Forespar Novalift (Jim Sweet)
>>>   5. Re: Fwd: Re:  microwave (wflowe3 at netscape.net)
>>>   6. Re: Fwd: Re:  Shower drain pump problem (Scott Thompson)
>>>   7. Re: Fwd: Re:  Shower drain pump problem (Rick Evans)
>>>   8. Engine POD Upgrade (amshd2 at aol.com)
>>>   9. Re: Forespar Novalift (Richard A. Walker)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:10:00 -0500
>>> From: "Jim Sweet" <jamesweet at frontiernet.net>
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Message-ID: <E5765E7CCBA542DA8ABFD875F1ACDA9E at jamesweetPC>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Anybody put a Forespar Novalift on their 320?  The outboard keeps 
>>> getting heavier and I keep getting older so I'm thinking of going this 
>>> route.  Any imput would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Jim Sweet
>>> TGIF (Thank God It Floats) 901
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:12:44 -0700
>>> From: "Richard A. Walker" <dickwalker at att.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Message-ID: <2439544A6F314076BCB432D659D14D69 at D53ZJN31>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> I recommend the Garhauer product.  It is stronger and much less 
>>> expensive.
>>>
>>> http://garhauermarine.com/
>>>
>>> They support the C-320 regattas and now have free freight.
>>>
>>> Buy directly from them.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> ?
>>> Dick Walker
>>> C-320 (687) WindWalker II
>>> 740 Olive Ave.
>>> Coronado, CA 92118-2136
>>> 619.435.8986
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sweet
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:10 PM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>>>
>>> Anybody put a Forespar Novalift on their 320?  The outboard keeps 
>>> getting
>>> heavier and I keep getting older so I'm thinking of going this route. 
>>> Any
>>> imput would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Jim Sweet
>>> TGIF (Thank God It Floats) 901
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:16:04 -0400
>>> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fwd: Re:  microwave
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
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>>>
>>> I left the microwave oven repair field in 1996, but believe either
>>> your magnetron (which emits the 'cooking' microwaves), the high
>>> voltage diode, or transformer (parts of the power supply to the
>>> magnetron) went bad.  Replacement of either or all can fix the problem
>>> if keeping the existing mw due to size is an issue, but could exceed
>>> the cost of replacement of the entire unit.
>>>
>>> Bob Seastream
>>> Intuition # 906
>>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Karl Mielenhausen _/)
>>> <c320 at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>
> <snip>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:49:54 -0500
>>> From: "Jim Sweet" <jamesweet at frontiernet.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Message-ID: <831044F34ED74A83A2FA826EC4ED6D35 at jamesweetPC>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>> reply-type=original
>>>
>>> I looked at it but it only has a 150 lb lifting weight and part of the
>>> reason for getting the lift is in a man overboard situation.  Novalift 
>>> goes
>>> to 250 and with their current rebate and some West Marine rewards 
>>> coupons
>>> the $ spread isn't very large.
>>>
>>> Jim Sweet
>>> TGIF(Thank God It Floats) 901
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard A. Walker" 
>>> <dickwalker at att.net>
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>>>
>>>
>>> I recommend the Garhauer product.  It is stronger and much less 
>>> expensive.
>>>
>>> http://garhauermarine.com/
>>>
>>> They support the C-320 regattas and now have free freight.
>>>
>>> Buy directly from them.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Dick Walker
>>> C-320 (687) WindWalker II
>>> 740 Olive Ave.
>>> Coronado, CA 92118-2136
>>> 619.435.8986
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sweet
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:10 PM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>>>
>>> Anybody put a Forespar Novalift on their 320?  The outboard keeps 
>>> getting
>>> heavier and I keep getting older so I'm thinking of going this route. 
>>> Any
>>> imput would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Jim Sweet
>>> TGIF (Thank God It Floats) 901
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:13:26 -0400
>>> From: wflowe3 at netscape.net
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fwd: Re:  microwave
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Message-ID: <8CBDCD3297A351B-1A74-32C2 at WEBMAIL-MY19.sysops.aol.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>>
>>> Routing out the upper trim would work except there is not room for a 
>>> router plate.? There is only a couple of inches between the trim and 
>>> the overhead and? I'm not sure whether there is any way to remove the 
>>> trim.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Sent: Sun, Jul 26, 2009 9:16 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fwd: Re:  microwave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I left the microwave oven repair field in 1996, but believe either your 
>>> magnetron (which emits the 'cooking' microwaves), the high voltage 
>>> diode, or transformer (parts of the power supply to the magnetron) went 
>>> bad. Replacement of either or all can fix the problem if keeping the 
>>> existing mw due to size is an issue, but could exceed the cost of 
>>> replacement of the entire unit.?
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Bob Seastream?
>>>
>>> Intuition # 906?
>>> ?
>>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Karl Mielenhausen _/) 
>>> <c320 at suddenlink.net> wrote:?
>>> ?
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:30:40 -0400
>>> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fwd: Re:  Shower drain pump problem
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Message-ID: <4A6DBA10.5010902 at thompson87.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>
>>> You probably damaged the duckbill valve in the anti-siphon loop when you
>>> ran the pump with the through hull closed.  That is what that "popping"
>>> noise was when you started the pump.  Someone else reported the exact
>>> same experience earlier this year.
>>>
>>> Once it's blown it's going to leak whenever you run the shower sump
>>> pump, whether it's to drain the ice box or the shower sump.  You can buy
>>> a replacement cap assembly, which includes the duckbill valve, at West
>>> Marine.  It's made by Forespar.
>>>
>>> And yes, the duckbill valve is part of the screw off cap of the plastic
>>> "U", which is your anti-siphon loop.  The purpose of this device is to
>>> close whenever pressure exists in the circuit, but also to let air into
>>> the hose if suction ever develops, which could cause water to start
>>> siphoning from the thru-hull into the boat.  However the rubber valve
>>> can only withstand so much pressure before it fails, which probably is
>>> what happened in your case.  And once it fails, it no longer can close
>>> to keep water from leaking out of the hose under pressure.
>>>
>>> There is a second anti-siphon loop for the head intake in the same
>>> locker, and a third one in the port cockpit locker that is for the
>>> engine cooling raw water circuit. But since there is no way to close the
>>> outlet for either of those circuits, you are unlikely to ever blow the
>>> valve except on the one for the shower sump.
>>>
>>> Scott Thompson
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick Evans wrote:
> <snip>
>>>
>>> -- Scott Thompson
>>> Surprise, #653
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:33:15 +0000
>>> From: "Rick Evans" <ericstillwellevans at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fwd: Re:  Shower drain pump problem
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <1725833478-1248705178-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-436219073- at bxe1091.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>>
>>> I agree that's exactly what I did. Thanks for the info I will go get 
>>> one asap.
>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
>>>
>>> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:30:40
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fwd: Re:  Shower drain pump problem
>>>
>>>
>>> You probably damaged the duckbill valve in the anti-siphon loop when you
>>> ran the pump with the through hull closed.  That is what that "popping"
>>> noise was when you started the pump.  Someone else reported the exact
>>> same experience earlier this year.
>>>
>>> Once it's blown it's going to leak whenever you run the shower sump
>>> pump, whether it's to drain the ice box or the shower sump.  You can buy
>>> a replacement cap assembly, which includes the duckbill valve, at West
>>> Marine.  It's made by Forespar.
>>>
>>> And yes, the duckbill valve is part of the screw off cap of the plastic
>>> "U", which is your anti-siphon loop.  The purpose of this device is to
>>> close whenever pressure exists in the circuit, but also to let air into
>>> the hose if suction ever develops, which could cause water to start
>>> siphoning from the thru-hull into the boat.  However the rubber valve
>>> can only withstand so much pressure before it fails, which probably is
>>> what happened in your case.  And once it fails, it no longer can close
>>> to keep water from leaking out of the hose under pressure.
>>>
>>> There is a second anti-siphon loop for the head intake in the same
>>> locker, and a third one in the port cockpit locker that is for the
>>> engine cooling raw water circuit. But since there is no way to close the
>>> outlet for either of those circuits, you are unlikely to ever blow the
>>> valve except on the one for the shower sump.
>>>
>>> Scott Thompson
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick Evans wrote:
> <snip>
>>>
>>> -- Scott Thompson
>>> Surprise, #653
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:11:53 -0400
>>> From: amshd2 at aol.com
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Engine POD Upgrade
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Message-ID: <8CBDCFCDAEDC1AC-EBC-1284 at WEBMAIL-MA20.sysops.aol.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking at changing out the Eng POD on my 94 #30 with the 
>>> perkins.?Lookin at getting the newer model? from Seaward, the one?you 
>>> can see the gagues w/o having to lay on the deck :). Has anyone done 
>>> this?
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:38:44 -0700
>>> From: "Richard A. Walker" <dickwalker at att.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Message-ID: <4D556A1B426B4D7AB436410195E18E0E at D53ZJN31>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> You might ask them to make one the next larger size.
>>>
>>> You might be surprised at the answer and price.
>>>
>>> Also guaranteed for 10 years.  The hold to that promise.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> ?
>>> Dick Walker
>>> C-320 (687) WindWalker II
>>> 740 Olive Ave.
>>> Coronado, CA 92118-2136
>>> 619.435.8986
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sweet
>>> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 5:50 AM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>>>
>>> I looked at it but it only has a 150 lb lifting weight and part of the
>>> reason for getting the lift is in a man overboard situation.  Novalift 
>>> goes
>>> to 250 and with their current rebate and some West Marine rewards 
>>> coupons
>>> the $ spread isn't very large.
>>>
>>> Jim Sweet
>>> TGIF(Thank God It Floats) 901
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard A. Walker" 
>>> <dickwalker at att.net>
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>>>
>>>
>>> I recommend the Garhauer product.  It is stronger and much less 
>>> expensive.
>>>
>>> http://garhauermarine.com/
>>>
>>> They support the C-320 regattas and now have free freight.
>>>
>>> Buy directly from them.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Dick Walker
>>> C-320 (687) WindWalker II
>>> 740 Olive Ave.
>>> Coronado, CA 92118-2136
>>> 619.435.8986
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sweet
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:10 PM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>>>
>>> Anybody put a Forespar Novalift on their 320?  The outboard keeps 
>>> getting
>>> heavier and I keep getting older so I'm thinking of going this route. 
>>> Any
>>> imput would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Jim Sweet
>>> TGIF (Thank God It Floats) 901
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 518, Issue 1
>>> *****************************************
>>
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>
>
> -- 
> Karl Mielenhausen
> Catalina 320 Hull 690
> New Bern, NC
> 