[C320-list] Anti - Siphon Loop

Mon Jul 27 14:42:16 PDT 2009

There is a stainer associated with that pump (at least on my boat).
I found that the o-ring was missing from its bowl and I could not draw a  
suction.
Strainer could be plugged with hair and other shower debris also.

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:14:48 -0400, Pat Kenefick  
<pkenefick at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> I recently checked the loop that is in the head cabinet as neither the  
> shower or refrig. were pumping out. The valve seemed to be ok and  
> working; my questions: is the cap to be screwed down tightly(simple hand  
> turn tight) or are you loosen it a few turns ? Second question - if pump  
> seems to be running correctly why would the water not be pumping out of  
> the shower or refrig. knowing that the thru hull is open and anti-  
> siphon is working ?
> Thanks
> Pat Kenefick
> "Cynthia Gale"
> Hull 833
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>>   1. Forespar Novalift (Jim Sweet)
>>   2. Re: Forespar Novalift (Richard A. Walker)
>>   3. Re: Fwd: Re:  microwave (Robert Seastream)
>>   4. Re: Forespar Novalift (Jim Sweet)
>>   5. Re: Fwd: Re:  microwave (wflowe3 at netscape.net)
>>   6. Re: Fwd: Re:  Shower drain pump problem (Scott Thompson)
>>   7. Re: Fwd: Re:  Shower drain pump problem (Rick Evans)
>>   8. Engine POD Upgrade (amshd2 at aol.com)
>>   9. Re: Forespar Novalift (Richard A. Walker)
>>
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>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 18:10:00 -0500
>> From: "Jim Sweet" <jamesweet at frontiernet.net>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Message-ID: <E5765E7CCBA542DA8ABFD875F1ACDA9E at jamesweetPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>> Anybody put a Forespar Novalift on their 320?  The outboard keeps  
>> getting heavier and I keep getting older so I'm thinking of going this  
>> route.  Any imput would be appreciated.
>>
>> Jim Sweet
>> TGIF (Thank God It Floats) 901
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:12:44 -0700
>> From: "Richard A. Walker" <dickwalker at att.net>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Message-ID: <2439544A6F314076BCB432D659D14D69 at D53ZJN31>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> I recommend the Garhauer product.  It is stronger and much less  
>> expensive.
>>
>> http://garhauermarine.com/
>>
>> They support the C-320 regattas and now have free freight.
>>
>> Buy directly from them.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> ?
>> Dick Walker
>> C-320 (687) WindWalker II
>> 740 Olive Ave.
>> Coronado, CA 92118-2136
>> 619.435.8986
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sweet
>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:10 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>>
>> Anybody put a Forespar Novalift on their 320?  The outboard keeps  
>> getting
>> heavier and I keep getting older so I'm thinking of going this route.   
>> Any
>> imput would be appreciated.
>>
>> Jim Sweet
>> TGIF (Thank God It Floats) 901
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 22:16:04 -0400
>> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fwd: Re:  microwave
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Message-ID: <D284B35E-F5F4-4D32-AC9D-213AD63B54CC at comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>
>> I left the microwave oven repair field in 1996, but believe either
>> your magnetron (which emits the 'cooking' microwaves), the high
>> voltage diode, or transformer (parts of the power supply to the
>> magnetron) went bad.  Replacement of either or all can fix the problem
>> if keeping the existing mw due to size is an issue, but could exceed
>> the cost of replacement of the entire unit.
>>
>> Bob Seastream
>> Intuition # 906
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Karl Mielenhausen _/)
>> <c320 at suddenlink.net> wrote:
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:49:54 -0500
>> From: "Jim Sweet" <jamesweet at frontiernet.net>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Message-ID: <831044F34ED74A83A2FA826EC4ED6D35 at jamesweetPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> I looked at it but it only has a 150 lb lifting weight and part of the
>> reason for getting the lift is in a man overboard situation.  Novalift  
>> goes
>> to 250 and with their current rebate and some West Marine rewards  
>> coupons
>> the $ spread isn't very large.
>>
>> Jim Sweet
>> TGIF(Thank God It Floats) 901
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard A. Walker"  
>> <dickwalker at att.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>>
>>
>> I recommend the Garhauer product.  It is stronger and much less  
>> expensive.
>>
>> http://garhauermarine.com/
>>
>> They support the C-320 regattas and now have free freight.
>>
>> Buy directly from them.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dick Walker
>> C-320 (687) WindWalker II
>> 740 Olive Ave.
>> Coronado, CA 92118-2136
>> 619.435.8986
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sweet
>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:10 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>>
>> Anybody put a Forespar Novalift on their 320?  The outboard keeps  
>> getting
>> heavier and I keep getting older so I'm thinking of going this route.   
>> Any
>> imput would be appreciated.
>>
>> Jim Sweet
>> TGIF (Thank God It Floats) 901
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 09:13:26 -0400
>> From: wflowe3 at netscape.net
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fwd: Re:  microwave
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Message-ID: <8CBDCD3297A351B-1A74-32C2 at WEBMAIL-MY19.sysops.aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> Routing out the upper trim would work except there is not room for a  
>> router plate.? There is only a couple of inches between the trim and  
>> the overhead and? I'm not sure whether there is any way to remove the  
>> trim.
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Sent: Sun, Jul 26, 2009 9:16 pm
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fwd: Re:  microwave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> I left the microwave oven repair field in 1996, but believe either your  
>> magnetron (which emits the 'cooking' microwaves), the high voltage  
>> diode, or transformer (parts of the power supply to the magnetron) went  
>> bad. Replacement of either or all can fix the problem if keeping the  
>> existing mw due to size is an issue, but could exceed the cost of  
>> replacement of the entire unit.?
>> ?
>>
>> Bob Seastream?
>>
>> Intuition # 906?
>> ?
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Karl Mielenhausen _/)  
>> <c320 at suddenlink.net> wrote:?
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:30:40 -0400
>> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fwd: Re:  Shower drain pump problem
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Message-ID: <4A6DBA10.5010902 at thompson87.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> You probably damaged the duckbill valve in the anti-siphon loop when you
>> ran the pump with the through hull closed.  That is what that "popping"
>> noise was when you started the pump.  Someone else reported the exact
>> same experience earlier this year.
>>
>> Once it's blown it's going to leak whenever you run the shower sump
>> pump, whether it's to drain the ice box or the shower sump.  You can buy
>> a replacement cap assembly, which includes the duckbill valve, at West
>> Marine.  It's made by Forespar.
>>
>> And yes, the duckbill valve is part of the screw off cap of the plastic
>> "U", which is your anti-siphon loop.  The purpose of this device is to
>> close whenever pressure exists in the circuit, but also to let air into
>> the hose if suction ever develops, which could cause water to start
>> siphoning from the thru-hull into the boat.  However the rubber valve
>> can only withstand so much pressure before it fails, which probably is
>> what happened in your case.  And once it fails, it no longer can close
>> to keep water from leaking out of the hose under pressure.
>>
>> There is a second anti-siphon loop for the head intake in the same
>> locker, and a third one in the port cockpit locker that is for the
>> engine cooling raw water circuit. But since there is no way to close the
>> outlet for either of those circuits, you are unlikely to ever blow the
>> valve except on the one for the shower sump.
>>
>> Scott Thompson
>>
>>
>> Rick Evans wrote:
<snip>
>>
>> -- Scott Thompson
>> Surprise, #653
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:33:15 +0000
>> From: "Rick Evans" <ericstillwellevans at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fwd: Re:  Shower drain pump problem
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Message-ID:
>> <1725833478-1248705178-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-436219073- at bxe1091.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain
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>> I agree that's exactly what I did. Thanks for the info I will go get  
>> one asap.
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
>>
>> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:30:40
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fwd: Re:  Shower drain pump problem
>>
>>
>> You probably damaged the duckbill valve in the anti-siphon loop when you
>> ran the pump with the through hull closed.  That is what that "popping"
>> noise was when you started the pump.  Someone else reported the exact
>> same experience earlier this year.
>>
>> Once it's blown it's going to leak whenever you run the shower sump
>> pump, whether it's to drain the ice box or the shower sump.  You can buy
>> a replacement cap assembly, which includes the duckbill valve, at West
>> Marine.  It's made by Forespar.
>>
>> And yes, the duckbill valve is part of the screw off cap of the plastic
>> "U", which is your anti-siphon loop.  The purpose of this device is to
>> close whenever pressure exists in the circuit, but also to let air into
>> the hose if suction ever develops, which could cause water to start
>> siphoning from the thru-hull into the boat.  However the rubber valve
>> can only withstand so much pressure before it fails, which probably is
>> what happened in your case.  And once it fails, it no longer can close
>> to keep water from leaking out of the hose under pressure.
>>
>> There is a second anti-siphon loop for the head intake in the same
>> locker, and a third one in the port cockpit locker that is for the
>> engine cooling raw water circuit. But since there is no way to close the
>> outlet for either of those circuits, you are unlikely to ever blow the
>> valve except on the one for the shower sump.
>>
>> Scott Thompson
>>
>>
>> Rick Evans wrote:
<snip>
>>
>> -- Scott Thompson
>> Surprise, #653
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:11:53 -0400
>> From: amshd2 at aol.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Engine POD Upgrade
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Message-ID: <8CBDCFCDAEDC1AC-EBC-1284 at WEBMAIL-MA20.sysops.aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>
>> Looking at changing out the Eng POD on my 94 #30 with the  
>> perkins.?Lookin at getting the newer model? from Seaward, the one?you  
>> can see the gagues w/o having to lay on the deck :). Has anyone done  
>> this?
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:38:44 -0700
>> From: "Richard A. Walker" <dickwalker at att.net>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Message-ID: <4D556A1B426B4D7AB436410195E18E0E at D53ZJN31>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> You might ask them to make one the next larger size.
>>
>> You might be surprised at the answer and price.
>>
>> Also guaranteed for 10 years.  The hold to that promise.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> ?
>> Dick Walker
>> C-320 (687) WindWalker II
>> 740 Olive Ave.
>> Coronado, CA 92118-2136
>> 619.435.8986
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sweet
>> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 5:50 AM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>>
>> I looked at it but it only has a 150 lb lifting weight and part of the
>> reason for getting the lift is in a man overboard situation.  Novalift  
>> goes
>> to 250 and with their current rebate and some West Marine rewards  
>> coupons
>> the $ spread isn't very large.
>>
>> Jim Sweet
>> TGIF(Thank God It Floats) 901
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard A. Walker"  
>> <dickwalker at att.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>>
>>
>> I recommend the Garhauer product.  It is stronger and much less  
>> expensive.
>>
>> http://garhauermarine.com/
>>
>> They support the C-320 regattas and now have free freight.
>>
>> Buy directly from them.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dick Walker
>> C-320 (687) WindWalker II
>> 740 Olive Ave.
>> Coronado, CA 92118-2136
>> 619.435.8986
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sweet
>> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:10 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Forespar Novalift
>>
>> Anybody put a Forespar Novalift on their 320?  The outboard keeps  
>> getting
>> heavier and I keep getting older so I'm thinking of going this route.   
>> Any
>> imput would be appreciated.
>>
>> Jim Sweet
>> TGIF (Thank God It Floats) 901
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 518, Issue 1
>> *****************************************
>

-- 
Karl Mielenhausen
Catalina 320 Hull 690
New Bern, NC