[C320-list] Pro Mariner VS. Xantrex
Pat Kenefick
pkenefick at embarqmail.com
Wed Jan 13 06:37:56 PST 2010
For me there is no question - CHANGE to the Xantrex 20.
With the Pro we never left it running except when docked at the marina and
we were not on board. During one visit we turned it on and had we not been
on board we would have lost the boat to fire !! We installed the Xantrex
about 2 years ago, leave it on all the time and have had no issues at all;
will not burn up the batteries when they top out; add a little water perhaps
once per quarter. DEFINITELY CHANGE TO THE Xantrex
Pat Kenefick
Hull # 833
Bath, NC
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> 1. Re: Raw water system (Warren Updike)
> 2. Re: 125% Jib (Sean Kaldor)
> 3. Re: Electrical problem (Mike Paris)
> 4. Re: Electrical problem (sholdr at aol.com)
> 5. Re: Electrical problem (bruceheyman at cox.net)
> 6. Re: Electrical problem (Martin Raphael)
> 7. Re: Electrical problem (Allan S. Field)
> 8. Re: 125% Jib (Denny Browne)
> 9. Repowering update and anti-siphon height? (Bernie Garrett)
> 10. 125% jib (MICHAEL COLE)
> 11. Re: Electrical problem (Dave Anderer)
> 12. Re: Electrical problem (Jon Vez)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:40:59 -0500
> From: "Warren Updike" <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Raw water system
> Message-ID: <BAY114-DS9150B06E7B5BC51AF7D39BE6C0 at phx.gbl>
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> I don't know how you would tell what a good flow is from the output side.
> Opening the input side accomplishes the following:(from experience with
> Perkins M30)
>
> O easier to determine an obstruction between the pump and upstream side of
> the heat exchanger tubes;
>
> O easier to remove the exchanger tubes for examination and cleaning.
>
> When there are no obstructions on the input side the only other
> obstruction
> would be in the mixing elbow, or a problem in the muffler/hoses.
>
> Perhaps owners with other engines could elucidate.
>
> Warren & Pattie Updike
> Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Irving Grunes [mailto:igrunes at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:08 PM
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Raw water system
>
> It seems from all of the emails that the most important place to check
> cooling water flow will be at the heat exchanger output. It seems that
> that
> is the most logical place to check after checking the impeller of the raw
> water pump.
> Irv Grunes
> 2001 #851
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> After owning our #62 for about 2 years, I had a problem with cooling. I
>> found about 7 impeller blades in the intake to the heat exchanger from
>> the
>> prior owner. Be sure to check that.
>>
>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>> Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
>> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: james_delong [mailto:james_delong at bellsouth.net]
>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:35 AM
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Raw water system
>>
>> Y'all, (I'm allowed to use that term as I'm in Georgia)
>>
>> Anyway...
>>
>> I have an issue with the raw water system. It seems to work intermently!
>>
>> Yep...checked the sea cock (clear), strainer (clear) and impeller
> (new)....
>>
>> What is next? I'm assuming the raw rater pump itself (do these fail?),
>> heat
>> exchanger and the mixing elbow, but don't want to tackle those without
> some
>> indication either of these could be the culprit!
>>
>> Some history. Once we smelled rubber burning like the pump stopped
>> rotation. After checking this and tightening the belt all was OK. A
>> couple
>> of other times there was no exhaust water, but the next time there was!
>> After the last sail, all was OK. But starting the boat at the dock now
>> results in no flow at all.
>>
>> Ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jim #453
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:15:43 -0800 (PST)
> From: Sean Kaldor <spkaldor at yahoo.com>
> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] 125% Jib
> Message-ID: <579213.97367.qm at web50206.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi -
> ?
> I have a 1998 fin keel #499 that I just brought up from San Diego to San
> Francisco. The PO had a 150% that was cut to go almost down to the deck.
> When I got to the gate at maybe 15kt winds, the 150 was *way* overpowered,
> especially in puffs.
> ?
> So I have the opposite problem - looking to go down a size - and am also
> interested in everyone's opinion's about a good head sail size for SF Bay
> winds - generally 15-30kt.
> ?
> All I can add is that 150 is *too big*. It can be?pulled in, but would
> probably need to be 80-90% of the time, which means I've got the wrong
> sail for this area.
> ?
> Sean
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:48:08 -0800
> From: "Mike Paris" <mparis495 at gmail.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
> Message-ID: <10C01DDC5C8C485E88B4891704FC0A37 at MikePC>
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>
> I'm going to buy new batteries. Are there any potential problems with me
> just replacing the batteries? Mainly, could I damage the new ones if there
> is some unknown problem at the source of my electrical troubles.
>
> Secondly, wet cell or AGM? The West Marine price for a wet cell is $292
> and
> an AGM is $539. Is the AGM that much better?
>
> Finally, should I replace the ProMariner with the Xantrex 20 just on
> principle? It doesn't seem to be giving me problems but many have strong
> feelings against the ProMariner.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
> #734
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> A couple notes. When you disconnect the batteries to measure them you be
>> sure to wait an hour of so to get their true voltage. The 13.6v was
>> likely still showing the effects of just being on the charger. More
>> likely, the voltage should be 12.5 or so after standing for a while.
>>
>> I'm not suspecting the charger here as much as just old batteries. They
>> show the classic signs of dying batteries. They charge fine but have no
>> CAPACITY.
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Allan S. Field" <allan.field at verizon.net>
>> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:30:20
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Warren - it is Mike that I am thinking still has the stock ProMariner.
>> If
>> so, that probably is the culprit for his problems. - Allan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Warren
>> Updike
>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:19 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Allan, I don't have a ProMariner. Mine is a 50A LewMar that was on the
>> boat
>> when I bought it. According to the manual, it will float the batteries
>> at
>> 14.1V, although I don't leave it on when there is no DC load. The charger
>> relay for the starting battery kicks in at 13.7V. Apparently, a constant
>> voltage around 14V will not hurt the batteries. The previous set of
>> batteries lasted 7 years so I expect my charger works OK. ---Warren
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Allan S. Field [mailto:allan.field at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:50 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Warren - Does the ProMariner reach and maintain float? I thought that
>> was
>> the problem with it - it just kept on cooking and is not a true 3-stage
>> charger. But I could be wrong... Where is Jeff Hare on this?! - Allan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Warren
>> Updike
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:39 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Mike, according to the experts (not me,) the only way to assess the
>> health
>> of a wet cell deep cycle battery is to perform a load test on it. All
>> previous advice is useful.
>>
>> Water the batteries, clean all connections, and recharge. Monitor the
>> charging voltage to be sure the charger is working correctly. When the
>> charger enters float stage, disconnect and let the batteries sit for a
>> day.
>> After at least 24 hrs. test the voltage again on each battery. If still
>> high, they're good. If dropped by more than a tenth or two of a volt,
>> you
>> may have a problem. Have a load test done.
>>
>> As Karl suggests, you can test each cell with a hygrometer (compensate
>> for
>> temp.) to determine if one cell is weaker than others. I recall that if
>> the
>> cell to cell difference is more than .20, the cell is likely weak.
>>
>> Four years is on the near side of lifetime for deep cell batteries
>> constantly charged. Consider that your charger could be the problem.
>>
>> If the tops of the plates inside the cells have been left high and dry
>> for
>> any length of time, chances are your battery is done and can't be
>> recovered.
>>
>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>> Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
>> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bruceheyman at cox.net [mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 9:20 AM
>> To: Catalina List
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Mike,
>> Also check the connections and the cables. Several times I've come
>> across
>> a
>> situation where a dodgey cable end or connection would handle the low
>> current demands of the fridge and GPS but balk at the couple of hundred
>> amps
>> required by the starter motor.
>> Bruce
>> Somerset 671 SoCal
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bruceheyman at cox.net
>> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:51:37
>> To: Catalina List<C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Mike,
>> Check fluid level and add distilled water as required. Charge over night
>> and
>> then check each cell with a hydrometer.
>> Bruce
>> Somerset 671 SoCal
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Mike Paris" <mparis495 at gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:01:57
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Last weekend I went out for a day-sail. I usually put the battery sith on
>> "both" but I forgot and left it on "2" for the trip. The engine started
>> normally, I motored for about 30 minutes and then sailed for about 2 1/2
>> hours. When I went to restart the engine it was dead (no sound when
>> pushing
>> the start button). I changed the battery switch to "both" and the the
>> engine
>> started right up. The electrical draw during the sail was a fully cooled
>> refrigerator, the chartplotter and ST60 gauges. My boat is always plugged
>> in
>> to shorepower with charger on when in the slip. I have two wet-cell
>> batteries that I believe are about four years old (I've owned the boat
>> for
>> 2
>> 1/2 years). I'm not knowledable about electrical systems so I'm looking
>> for
>> advice as to steps to take to find possible problems when I head down
>> there
>> this weekend.
>>
>> Thanks to all,
>> Mike P
>> #734
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:36:17 -0500
> From: sholdr at aol.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
> Message-ID: <8CC621051129E71-13C-D31 at webmail-d096.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed
>
> yes to changing the charger -- had a ProMariner and did damage my
> batteries -- went to Xantrex and so far so good
>
> Went with wet cell -- cheaper, readily available, I am not paranoid
> about their acid spilling , do require some maintanence but not onerous
> compared with the other things the boat requires --
> Just my 2 cents
>
> sholdr
> Camelot #322
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Paris <mparis495 at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Sent: Tue, Jan 12, 2010 7:48 pm
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>
>
> I'm going to buy new batteries. Are there any potential problems with
> me just replacing the batteries? Mainly, could I damage the new ones if
> there is some unknown problem at the source of my electrical troubles.?
> ?
> Secondly, wet cell or AGM? The West Marine price for a wet cell is $292
> and an AGM is $539. Is the AGM that much better??
> ?
> Finally, should I replace the ProMariner with the Xantrex 20 just on
> principle? It doesn't seem to be giving me problems but many have
> strong feelings against the ProMariner.?
> ?
> Thanks,?
> Mike?
> #734?
> ?
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>?
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>?
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:24 AM?
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem?
> ?
>> Mike,?
>>?
>> A couple notes. When you disconnect the batteries to measure them you
> be > sure to wait an hour of so to get their true voltage. The 13.6v
> was > likely still showing the effects of just being on the charger.
> More > likely, the voltage should be 12.5 or so after standing for a
> while.?
>>?
>> I'm not suspecting the charger here as much as just old batteries.
> They > show the classic signs of dying batteries. They charge fine but
> have no > CAPACITY.?
>>?
>> -Jeff?
>>?
>>?
>> -----Original Message-----?
>> From: "Allan S. Field" <allan.field at verizon.net>?
>> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:30:20?
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>?
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem?
>>?
>> Warren - it is Mike that I am thinking still has the stock
> ProMariner. If?
>> so, that probably is the culprit for his problems. - Allan?
>>?
>> -----Original Message-----?
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com?
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Warren
>> Updike?
>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:19 PM?
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com?
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem?
>>?
>> Allan, I don't have a ProMariner. Mine is a 50A LewMar that was on
> the > boat?
>> when I bought it. According to the manual, it will float the
> batteries at?
>> 14.1V, although I don't leave it on when there is no DC load. The
> charger?
>> relay for the starting battery kicks in at 13.7V. Apparently, a
> constant?
>> voltage around 14V will not hurt the batteries. The previous set of?
>> batteries lasted 7 years so I expect my charger works OK. ---Warren?
>>?
>> -----Original Message-----?
>> From: Allan S. Field [mailto:allan.field at verizon.net]?
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:50 PM?
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com?
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem?
>>?
>> Warren - Does the ProMariner reach and maintain float? I thought that
> was?
>> the problem with it - it just kept on cooking and is not a true
> 3-stage?
>> charger. But I could be wrong... Where is Jeff Hare on this?! - Allan?
>>?
>> -----Original Message-----?
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com?
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Warren
>> Updike?
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:39 PM?
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com?
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem?
>>?
>> Mike, according to the experts (not me,) the only way to assess the
> health?
>> of a wet cell deep cycle battery is to perform a load test on it. All?
>> previous advice is useful.?
>>?
>> Water the batteries, clean all connections, and recharge. Monitor the?
>> charging voltage to be sure the charger is working correctly. When
> the?
>> charger enters float stage, disconnect and let the batteries sit for
> a > day.?
>> After at least 24 hrs. test the voltage again on each battery. If
> still?
>> high, they're good. If dropped by more than a tenth or two of a volt,
> you?
>> may have a problem. Have a load test done.?
>>?
>> As Karl suggests, you can test each cell with a hygrometer
> (compensate for?
>> temp.) to determine if one cell is weaker than others. I recall that
> if > the?
>> cell to cell difference is more than .20, the cell is likely weak.?
>>?
>> Four years is on the near side of lifetime for deep cell batteries?
>> constantly charged. Consider that your charger could be the problem.?
>>?
>> If the tops of the plates inside the cells have been left high and
> dry for?
>> any length of time, chances are your battery is done and can't be >
> recovered.?
>>?
>> Warren & Pattie Updike?
>> Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"?
>> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay?
>>?
>> -----Original Message-----?
>> From: bruceheyman at cox.net [mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net]?
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 9:20 AM?
>> To: Catalina List?
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem?
>>?
>> Mike,?
>> Also check the connections and the cables. Several times I've come
> across > a?
>> situation where a dodgey cable end or connection would handle the low?
>> current demands of the fridge and GPS but balk at the couple of
> hundred > amps?
>> required by the starter motor.?
>> Bruce?
>> Somerset 671 SoCal?
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T?
>>?
>> -----Original Message-----?
>> From: bruceheyman at cox.net?
>> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:51:37?
>> To: Catalina List<C320-List at Catalina320.com>?
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem?
>>?
>> Mike,?
>> Check fluid level and add distilled water as required. Charge over
> night > and?
>> then check each cell with a hydrometer.?
>> Bruce?
>> Somerset 671 SoCal?
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T?
>>?
>> -----Original Message-----?
>> From: "Mike Paris" <mparis495 at gmail.com>?
>> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:01:57?
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>?
>> Subject: [C320-list] Electrical problem?
>>?
>> Last weekend I went out for a day-sail. I usually put the battery
> sith on?
>> "both" but I forgot and left it on "2" for the trip. The engine
> started?
>> normally, I motored for about 30 minutes and then sailed for about 2
> 1/2?
>> hours. When I went to restart the engine it was dead (no sound when >
> pushing?
>> the start button). I changed the battery switch to "both" and the the
>> engine?
>> started right up. The electrical draw during the sail was a fully
> cooled?
>> refrigerator, the chartplotter and ST60 gauges. My boat is always
> plugged > in?
>> to shorepower with charger on when in the slip. I have two wet-cell?
>> batteries that I believe are about four years old (I've owned the
> boat for > 2?
>> 1/2 years). I'm not knowledable about electrical systems so I'm
> looking > for?
>> advice as to steps to take to find possible problems when I head down
>> there?
>> this weekend.?
>>?
>> Thanks to all,?
>> Mike P?
>> #734?
>>?
>>?
>>?
>> ?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:36:57 +0000
> From: bruceheyman at cox.net
> To: "Catalina List" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
> Message-ID:
> <346888819-1263350214-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1041608591- at bda121.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Mike,
> I'm very pleased that my PO replaced the promariner in hull 671. We have
> had very good service from our Xantrex 20. I would spend some time on the
> internet researching battery prices as I believe you can find much better
> deals than at WM. You have to look at the power curves and understand the
> life cycles and charging characteristics to decide if you want wet, gel or
> AGM. For me it always comes down to what is left in the boat savings
> account.
> Bruce
> Somerset 671 SoCal
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Mike Paris" <mparis495 at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:48:08
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>
> I'm going to buy new batteries. Are there any potential problems with me
> just replacing the batteries? Mainly, could I damage the new ones if there
> is some unknown problem at the source of my electrical troubles.
>
> Secondly, wet cell or AGM? The West Marine price for a wet cell is $292
> and
> an AGM is $539. Is the AGM that much better?
>
> Finally, should I replace the ProMariner with the Xantrex 20 just on
> principle? It doesn't seem to be giving me problems but many have strong
> feelings against the ProMariner.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
> #734
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> A couple notes. When you disconnect the batteries to measure them you be
>> sure to wait an hour of so to get their true voltage. The 13.6v was
>> likely still showing the effects of just being on the charger. More
>> likely, the voltage should be 12.5 or so after standing for a while.
>>
>> I'm not suspecting the charger here as much as just old batteries. They
>> show the classic signs of dying batteries. They charge fine but have no
>> CAPACITY.
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Allan S. Field" <allan.field at verizon.net>
>> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:30:20
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Warren - it is Mike that I am thinking still has the stock ProMariner.
>> If
>> so, that probably is the culprit for his problems. - Allan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Warren
>> Updike
>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:19 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Allan, I don't have a ProMariner. Mine is a 50A LewMar that was on the
>> boat
>> when I bought it. According to the manual, it will float the batteries
>> at
>> 14.1V, although I don't leave it on when there is no DC load. The charger
>> relay for the starting battery kicks in at 13.7V. Apparently, a constant
>> voltage around 14V will not hurt the batteries. The previous set of
>> batteries lasted 7 years so I expect my charger works OK. ---Warren
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Allan S. Field [mailto:allan.field at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:50 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Warren - Does the ProMariner reach and maintain float? I thought that
>> was
>> the problem with it - it just kept on cooking and is not a true 3-stage
>> charger. But I could be wrong... Where is Jeff Hare on this?! - Allan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Warren
>> Updike
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:39 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Mike, according to the experts (not me,) the only way to assess the
>> health
>> of a wet cell deep cycle battery is to perform a load test on it. All
>> previous advice is useful.
>>
>> Water the batteries, clean all connections, and recharge. Monitor the
>> charging voltage to be sure the charger is working correctly. When the
>> charger enters float stage, disconnect and let the batteries sit for a
>> day.
>> After at least 24 hrs. test the voltage again on each battery. If still
>> high, they're good. If dropped by more than a tenth or two of a volt,
>> you
>> may have a problem. Have a load test done.
>>
>> As Karl suggests, you can test each cell with a hygrometer (compensate
>> for
>> temp.) to determine if one cell is weaker than others. I recall that if
>> the
>> cell to cell difference is more than .20, the cell is likely weak.
>>
>> Four years is on the near side of lifetime for deep cell batteries
>> constantly charged. Consider that your charger could be the problem.
>>
>> If the tops of the plates inside the cells have been left high and dry
>> for
>> any length of time, chances are your battery is done and can't be
>> recovered.
>>
>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>> Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
>> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bruceheyman at cox.net [mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 9:20 AM
>> To: Catalina List
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Mike,
>> Also check the connections and the cables. Several times I've come
>> across
>> a
>> situation where a dodgey cable end or connection would handle the low
>> current demands of the fridge and GPS but balk at the couple of hundred
>> amps
>> required by the starter motor.
>> Bruce
>> Somerset 671 SoCal
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bruceheyman at cox.net
>> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:51:37
>> To: Catalina List<C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Mike,
>> Check fluid level and add distilled water as required. Charge over night
>> and
>> then check each cell with a hydrometer.
>> Bruce
>> Somerset 671 SoCal
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Mike Paris" <mparis495 at gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:01:57
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Last weekend I went out for a day-sail. I usually put the battery sith on
>> "both" but I forgot and left it on "2" for the trip. The engine started
>> normally, I motored for about 30 minutes and then sailed for about 2 1/2
>> hours. When I went to restart the engine it was dead (no sound when
>> pushing
>> the start button). I changed the battery switch to "both" and the the
>> engine
>> started right up. The electrical draw during the sail was a fully cooled
>> refrigerator, the chartplotter and ST60 gauges. My boat is always plugged
>> in
>> to shorepower with charger on when in the slip. I have two wet-cell
>> batteries that I believe are about four years old (I've owned the boat
>> for
>> 2
>> 1/2 years). I'm not knowledable about electrical systems so I'm looking
>> for
>> advice as to steps to take to find possible problems when I head down
>> there
>> this weekend.
>>
>> Thanks to all,
>> Mike P
>> #734
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:42:37 -0800
> From: "Martin Raphael" <Rhapsody108 at q.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
> Message-ID: <SNT108-DS51A67467B0CB6FACA1EACF76B0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I have had really good luck with Interstate batteries, and their prices
> are much better than WM. Check them out and see what you think. They are
> the right size (assuming you have been using 2 4Ds). An interment search
> is a good idea too, as you may find some cheaper sources...but do check
> the dimensions to avoid problems with fit in the boxes.
> Martin Raphael
> Rhapsody #108 (for 1 more day...just sold the boat!)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Paris<mailto:mparis495 at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com<mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>
>
> I'm going to buy new batteries. Are there any potential problems with me
> just replacing the batteries? Mainly, could I damage the new ones if
> there
> is some unknown problem at the source of my electrical troubles.
>
> Secondly, wet cell or AGM? The West Marine price for a wet cell is $292
> and
> an AGM is $539. Is the AGM that much better?
>
> Finally, should I replace the ProMariner with the Xantrex 20 just on
> principle? It doesn't seem to be giving me problems but many have strong
> feelings against the ProMariner.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
> #734
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com<mailto:catalina at thehares.com>>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com<mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com>>
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > A couple notes. When you disconnect the batteries to measure them you
> be
> > sure to wait an hour of so to get their true voltage. The 13.6v was
> > likely still showing the effects of just being on the charger. More
> > likely, the voltage should be 12.5 or so after standing for a while.
> >
> > I'm not suspecting the charger here as much as just old batteries.
> They
> > show the classic signs of dying batteries. They charge fine but have
> no
> > CAPACITY.
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Allan S. Field"
> <allan.field at verizon.net<mailto:allan.field at verizon.net>>
> > Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:30:20
> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com<mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
> >
> > Warren - it is Mike that I am thinking still has the stock ProMariner.
> If
> > so, that probably is the culprit for his problems. - Allan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com>
> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Warren
> > Updike
> > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:19 PM
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com<mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
> >
> > Allan, I don't have a ProMariner. Mine is a 50A LewMar that was on the
> > boat
> > when I bought it. According to the manual, it will float the batteries
> at
> > 14.1V, although I don't leave it on when there is no DC load. The
> charger
> > relay for the starting battery kicks in at 13.7V. Apparently, a
> constant
> > voltage around 14V will not hurt the batteries. The previous set of
> > batteries lasted 7 years so I expect my charger works OK. ---Warren
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Allan S. Field [mailto:allan.field at verizon.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:50 PM
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com<mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
> >
> > Warren - Does the ProMariner reach and maintain float? I thought that
> was
> > the problem with it - it just kept on cooking and is not a true 3-stage
> > charger. But I could be wrong... Where is Jeff Hare on this?! - Allan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com>
> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Warren
> > Updike
> > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:39 PM
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com<mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
> >
> > Mike, according to the experts (not me,) the only way to assess the
> health
> > of a wet cell deep cycle battery is to perform a load test on it. All
> > previous advice is useful.
> >
> > Water the batteries, clean all connections, and recharge. Monitor the
> > charging voltage to be sure the charger is working correctly. When the
> > charger enters float stage, disconnect and let the batteries sit for a
> > day.
> > After at least 24 hrs. test the voltage again on each battery. If still
> > high, they're good. If dropped by more than a tenth or two of a volt,
> you
> > may have a problem. Have a load test done.
> >
> > As Karl suggests, you can test each cell with a hygrometer (compensate
> for
> > temp.) to determine if one cell is weaker than others. I recall that
> if
> > the
> > cell to cell difference is more than .20, the cell is likely weak.
> >
> > Four years is on the near side of lifetime for deep cell batteries
> > constantly charged. Consider that your charger could be the problem.
> >
> > If the tops of the plates inside the cells have been left high and dry
> for
> > any length of time, chances are your battery is done and can't be
> > recovered.
> >
> > Warren & Pattie Updike
> > Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
> > Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net>
> [mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 9:20 AM
> > To: Catalina List
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
> >
> > Mike,
> > Also check the connections and the cables. Several times I've come
> across
> > a
> > situation where a dodgey cable end or connection would handle the low
> > current demands of the fridge and GPS but balk at the couple of hundred
> > amps
> > required by the starter motor.
> > Bruce
> > Somerset 671 SoCal
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net>
> > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:51:37
> > To: Catalina
> List<C320-List at Catalina320.com<mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
> >
> > Mike,
> > Check fluid level and add distilled water as required. Charge over
> night
> > and
> > then check each cell with a hydrometer.
> > Bruce
> > Somerset 671 SoCal
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Mike Paris" <mparis495 at gmail.com<mailto:mparis495 at gmail.com>>
> > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:01:57
> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com<mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com>>
> > Subject: [C320-list] Electrical problem
> >
> > Last weekend I went out for a day-sail. I usually put the battery sith
> on
> > "both" but I forgot and left it on "2" for the trip. The engine started
> > normally, I motored for about 30 minutes and then sailed for about 2
> 1/2
> > hours. When I went to restart the engine it was dead (no sound when
> > pushing
> > the start button). I changed the battery switch to "both" and the the
> > engine
> > started right up. The electrical draw during the sail was a fully
> cooled
> > refrigerator, the chartplotter and ST60 gauges. My boat is always
> plugged
> > in
> > to shorepower with charger on when in the slip. I have two wet-cell
> > batteries that I believe are about four years old (I've owned the boat
> for
> > 2
> > 1/2 years). I'm not knowledable about electrical systems so I'm looking
> > for
> > advice as to steps to take to find possible problems when I head down
> > there
> > this weekend.
> >
> > Thanks to all,
> > Mike P
> > #734
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:44:22 -0500
> From: "Allan S. Field" <allan.field at verizon.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
> Message-ID: <002801ca93fa$62e0fee0$28a2fca0$@field at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Mike - After going through 2 ProMariner's and 2 pair of wet cells in less
> than 2 years (first ProMariner and set of batteries covered under the new
> boat warranty), I upgraded to the Xantrex 20 and two gel's. The gel's are
> maintenance free and have been going strong for about 7 years. The
> charger
> remains on 24/7 9 months of the year to run the fridge. I also put the
> Xantrex Link 20 in so can constantly monitor the battery state. One of
> the
> best upgrades I ever made.
>
> Allan S. Field
> Sea Shadow - #808
> Herrington Harbour South
> Rosehaven, MD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Mike Paris
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:48 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>
> I'm going to buy new batteries. Are there any potential problems with me
> just replacing the batteries? Mainly, could I damage the new ones if there
> is some unknown problem at the source of my electrical troubles.
>
> Secondly, wet cell or AGM? The West Marine price for a wet cell is $292
> and
> an AGM is $539. Is the AGM that much better?
>
> Finally, should I replace the ProMariner with the Xantrex 20 just on
> principle? It doesn't seem to be giving me problems but many have strong
> feelings against the ProMariner.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
> #734
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> A couple notes. When you disconnect the batteries to measure them you be
>> sure to wait an hour of so to get their true voltage. The 13.6v was
>> likely still showing the effects of just being on the charger. More
>> likely, the voltage should be 12.5 or so after standing for a while.
>>
>> I'm not suspecting the charger here as much as just old batteries. They
>> show the classic signs of dying batteries. They charge fine but have no
>> CAPACITY.
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Allan S. Field" <allan.field at verizon.net>
>> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:30:20
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Warren - it is Mike that I am thinking still has the stock ProMariner.
>> If
>> so, that probably is the culprit for his problems. - Allan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Warren
>> Updike
>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:19 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Allan, I don't have a ProMariner. Mine is a 50A LewMar that was on the
>> boat
>> when I bought it. According to the manual, it will float the batteries
>> at
>> 14.1V, although I don't leave it on when there is no DC load. The charger
>> relay for the starting battery kicks in at 13.7V. Apparently, a constant
>> voltage around 14V will not hurt the batteries. The previous set of
>> batteries lasted 7 years so I expect my charger works OK. ---Warren
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Allan S. Field [mailto:allan.field at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:50 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Warren - Does the ProMariner reach and maintain float? I thought that
>> was
>> the problem with it - it just kept on cooking and is not a true 3-stage
>> charger. But I could be wrong... Where is Jeff Hare on this?! - Allan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Warren
>> Updike
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:39 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Mike, according to the experts (not me,) the only way to assess the
>> health
>> of a wet cell deep cycle battery is to perform a load test on it. All
>> previous advice is useful.
>>
>> Water the batteries, clean all connections, and recharge. Monitor the
>> charging voltage to be sure the charger is working correctly. When the
>> charger enters float stage, disconnect and let the batteries sit for a
>> day.
>> After at least 24 hrs. test the voltage again on each battery. If still
>> high, they're good. If dropped by more than a tenth or two of a volt,
>> you
>> may have a problem. Have a load test done.
>>
>> As Karl suggests, you can test each cell with a hygrometer (compensate
>> for
>> temp.) to determine if one cell is weaker than others. I recall that if
>> the
>> cell to cell difference is more than .20, the cell is likely weak.
>>
>> Four years is on the near side of lifetime for deep cell batteries
>> constantly charged. Consider that your charger could be the problem.
>>
>> If the tops of the plates inside the cells have been left high and dry
>> for
>> any length of time, chances are your battery is done and can't be
>> recovered.
>>
>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>> Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
>> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bruceheyman at cox.net [mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 9:20 AM
>> To: Catalina List
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Mike,
>> Also check the connections and the cables. Several times I've come
>> across
>
>> a
>> situation where a dodgey cable end or connection would handle the low
>> current demands of the fridge and GPS but balk at the couple of hundred
>> amps
>> required by the starter motor.
>> Bruce
>> Somerset 671 SoCal
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bruceheyman at cox.net
>> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:51:37
>> To: Catalina List<C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Mike,
>> Check fluid level and add distilled water as required. Charge over night
>> and
>> then check each cell with a hydrometer.
>> Bruce
>> Somerset 671 SoCal
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Mike Paris" <mparis495 at gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:01:57
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Last weekend I went out for a day-sail. I usually put the battery sith on
>> "both" but I forgot and left it on "2" for the trip. The engine started
>> normally, I motored for about 30 minutes and then sailed for about 2 1/2
>> hours. When I went to restart the engine it was dead (no sound when
>> pushing
>> the start button). I changed the battery switch to "both" and the the
>> engine
>> started right up. The electrical draw during the sail was a fully cooled
>> refrigerator, the chartplotter and ST60 gauges. My boat is always plugged
>> in
>> to shorepower with charger on when in the slip. I have two wet-cell
>> batteries that I believe are about four years old (I've owned the boat
>> for
>
>> 2
>> 1/2 years). I'm not knowledable about electrical systems so I'm looking
>> for
>> advice as to steps to take to find possible problems when I head down
>> there
>> this weekend.
>>
>> Thanks to all,
>> Mike P
>> #734
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:46:06 -0800
> From: "Denny Browne" <dennybrowne at verizon.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] 125% Jib
> Message-ID: <A4C193A3158149D8B647897A82524B0E at ALPHAMALESDESKT>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> You should probably consult a local sailmaker, and I'm sure they're easy
> to
> find in the Bay Area. They may suggest a little bigger sail, perhaps a
> fairly flat 135, if you're only going to carry one, to give you a little
> better downwind speed as well. This would probably be a #2 on most boats,
> with the #1 being an all purpose 155. There's a great write-up on our
> website by Mark Yeager (myeager at quantumsails.com), at Quantum Sails in
> Dallas, but keep in mind that he sails in Texas, and not SF Bay. Local
> knowledge is invaluable in sail selection.
>
> Enjoy the new sail!
>
> DENNY BROWNE
>
>
> DENNY at DENNYBROWNE.COM
> A Cappella #935
> Redondo Beach
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Paul
> Descalso
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:09 AM
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] 125% Jib
>
> Denis, I am in the north S.F. bay in San Rafael. My 2001 fin keel came
> with
> a 110 factory jib and I felt the lack of pointing ability too. I got a
> dacron 95% and sheeted it to the cabin top track and felt a good
> improvement
> upwind, but I was slow in light and medium winds like racing downwind to
> Vallejo, Ca. So I got a dacron 155 and did better, but in strong wind I
> am
> overpowered. So right now I am thinking of a 125% also. Lets see what info
> your post brings. Does a 125% fit well on a 320? Also join at least two
> 320's and 200+ other boats for the single handed sailing society's Three
> Bridge Fiasco race on 1-30-10. 18 miles of winter sailing, both single and
> double handed. sfbaysss.org Good luck, Paul Sobrante 850
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:42 PM, CARY DENNIS LOWE
> <cdlowe1769 at sbcglobal.net
>> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone:
>>
>> This is my first post, so if I step on somebodies toes it's not
>> intentional. I have a 2002 320 sail number 971. I live in
>
>
>
>> San Jose California and keep my boat in the south bay of San Francisco in
>> Redwood City. Oh, I forgot to mention that my boat has a wing keel. My
>> problem is with pointing. I use the boat for beer can racing during the
>> summer and we normally have 20 to 25 knot winds. I am currently using
>> the
>> 110 jib that came with the boat. However, I am considering moving up to
>> a
>> 125, this is the largest jib that I can go without affecting my PHRF
> rating.
>> I bought my Catalina because I had been crewing on a Hunter for the last
>> couple of years and noticed how bad they point. I was also impressed
>> with
>> the performance of the Catalina's that I have seen in our races.
>>
>> So the question is what am I doing wrong, or what do I need to do right
>> to
>> make the boat point higher in weather?
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dennis
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:50:13 -0800
> From: Bernie Garrett <berniegarrett at telus.net>
> To: <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Repowering update and anti-siphon height?
> Message-ID: <C77282F5.A29%berniegarrett at telus.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
> Subject: [C320-list] Repowering update and anti-siphon height?
>
> Thanks Scott,
>
> Strangely my anti-siphon was located on the port engine compartment wall
> (i.e. the fridge compartment wall) as high as it could go inside the
> front engine cover. That is why it was not very high, as it could not be
> raised further at that location without fouling the engine cover. Sounds
> like Catalina may have moved it in later builds. I'd be interested in
> finding out:
>
> a) if other owners have theirs inside the engine compartment
> b) the hose routing to the port locker for the anti-siphon
>
> Regards
> Bernie Garrett
> ANTARES #88
>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:36:25 -0500
>> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Repowering update and anti-siphon height?
>> Message-ID: <4B4BA7E9.1080302 at thompson87.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Most boats I've looked at (including my 1999 boat) have the engine raw
>> water anti-siphon loop in the port side cockpit locker, up high, right
>> below the deck. I forget the exact routing of the hoses, but they do
>> not go through exposed areas of the aft cabin, and certainly no holes in
>> the rear engine cover are required.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:57:38 +1100
> From: "MICHAEL COLE" <mcol3781 at bigpond.net.au>
> To: "Catalina320" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] 125% jib
> Message-ID: <BB3F218E69FB4D3BA270EC14D8A2DC5D at michael>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi Sean---here on Sydney Harbour our summer wind strengths are similar to
> San Francisco Bay although we would only get 30knots in what is called a
> black north easter
> My sailmaker recommended a 140% jib and I've stuck with this approach
> with two jibs since I replaced the original. It works well for me and I
> race approx 28 times a year. I'don't understand your handicapping system
> so I don't know how it would work for you. if I know the wind is going to
> be consistently above 22knots we tuck a No1 reef in and rarely ever furl
> the genoa/jib. In doing this we always get on starboard tack first to
> ensure we have right away . Having said that, we've sailed without reefing
> up to 28knots(on our ear!!) but one loses to much ground to leeward
> Mike Cole # 421 Mio Dio
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:46:47 -0500
> From: Dave Anderer <danderer at udel.edu>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
> Message-ID:
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>
> Seems that all agree that replacing the ProMariner is a good idea.
> However,
> there are a number of chargers out there besides the Xantrex 20 - I'd
> suggest some research rather than just assuming the Xantrex is your only
> choice.
>
> My boat had a Xantrex 20 installed by the PO. Personally, I never liked
> the
> screw connectors for attaching the battery cables. I thought the 20A unit
> was a bit undersized for 2 4Ds. And when it died a year ago, Xantrex
> wouldn't repair it, but would just offer a not-very-good discount on a new
> unit.
>
> I'd suggest starting with the charger review that Practical Sailor did a
> few
> years ago.
>
> If you do go AGM, make sure that both the charger and the regulator for
> the
> alternator can be set to change them appropriately.
>
> Dave
> #642
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Mike Paris <mparis495 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to buy new batteries. Are there any potential problems with me
>> just replacing the batteries? Mainly, could I damage the new ones if
>> there
>> is some unknown problem at the source of my electrical troubles.
>>
>> Secondly, wet cell or AGM? The West Marine price for a wet cell is $292
>> and
>> an AGM is $539. Is the AGM that much better?
>>
>> Finally, should I replace the ProMariner with the Xantrex 20 just on
>> principle? It doesn't seem to be giving me problems but many have strong
>> feelings against the ProMariner.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>> #734
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:17:22 -0500
> From: "Jon Vez" <jonvez at comcast.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
> Message-ID: <002701ca944a$5c935290$15b9f7b0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Mike,
>
> When my original wet cells died after less than 4 years, I decided that I
> would replace the PM with a new charger to protect my investment in the
> new
> batteries. I did go with AGM, and although I can't answer whether they are
> 'that much better', they do have some advantages--for example, if they are
> accidently *completely* discharged, they can be brought back up to full
> charge without damage. I have had mine for 7 full seasons and I have been
> extremely happy with them. I did put a Link battery monitor in as well, so
> I
> know they remain very healthy....Bottom line--if you are going to replace
> batteries I would definitely get rid of the PM....
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon Vez
> Solstice #582
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Mike Paris
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:48 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>
> I'm going to buy new batteries. Are there any potential problems with me
> just replacing the batteries? Mainly, could I damage the new ones if there
> is some unknown problem at the source of my electrical troubles.
>
> Secondly, wet cell or AGM? The West Marine price for a wet cell is $292
> and
> an AGM is $539. Is the AGM that much better?
>
> Finally, should I replace the ProMariner with the Xantrex 20 just on
> principle? It doesn't seem to be giving me problems but many have strong
> feelings against the ProMariner.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
> #734
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> A couple notes. When you disconnect the batteries to measure them you be
>> sure to wait an hour of so to get their true voltage. The 13.6v was
>> likely still showing the effects of just being on the charger. More
>> likely, the voltage should be 12.5 or so after standing for a while.
>>
>> I'm not suspecting the charger here as much as just old batteries. They
>> show the classic signs of dying batteries. They charge fine but have no
>> CAPACITY.
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Allan S. Field" <allan.field at verizon.net>
>> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:30:20
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Warren - it is Mike that I am thinking still has the stock ProMariner.
>> If
>> so, that probably is the culprit for his problems. - Allan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Warren
>> Updike
>> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:19 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Allan, I don't have a ProMariner. Mine is a 50A LewMar that was on the
>> boat
>> when I bought it. According to the manual, it will float the batteries
>> at
>> 14.1V, although I don't leave it on when there is no DC load. The charger
>> relay for the starting battery kicks in at 13.7V. Apparently, a constant
>> voltage around 14V will not hurt the batteries. The previous set of
>> batteries lasted 7 years so I expect my charger works OK. ---Warren
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Allan S. Field [mailto:allan.field at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:50 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Warren - Does the ProMariner reach and maintain float? I thought that
>> was
>> the problem with it - it just kept on cooking and is not a true 3-stage
>> charger. But I could be wrong... Where is Jeff Hare on this?! - Allan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Warren
>> Updike
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:39 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Mike, according to the experts (not me,) the only way to assess the
>> health
>> of a wet cell deep cycle battery is to perform a load test on it. All
>> previous advice is useful.
>>
>> Water the batteries, clean all connections, and recharge. Monitor the
>> charging voltage to be sure the charger is working correctly. When the
>> charger enters float stage, disconnect and let the batteries sit for a
>> day.
>> After at least 24 hrs. test the voltage again on each battery. If still
>> high, they're good. If dropped by more than a tenth or two of a volt,
>> you
>> may have a problem. Have a load test done.
>>
>> As Karl suggests, you can test each cell with a hygrometer (compensate
>> for
>> temp.) to determine if one cell is weaker than others. I recall that if
>> the
>> cell to cell difference is more than .20, the cell is likely weak.
>>
>> Four years is on the near side of lifetime for deep cell batteries
>> constantly charged. Consider that your charger could be the problem.
>>
>> If the tops of the plates inside the cells have been left high and dry
>> for
>> any length of time, chances are your battery is done and can't be
>> recovered.
>>
>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>> Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
>> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bruceheyman at cox.net [mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 9:20 AM
>> To: Catalina List
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Mike,
>> Also check the connections and the cables. Several times I've come
>> across
>
>> a
>> situation where a dodgey cable end or connection would handle the low
>> current demands of the fridge and GPS but balk at the couple of hundred
>> amps
>> required by the starter motor.
>> Bruce
>> Somerset 671 SoCal
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bruceheyman at cox.net
>> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:51:37
>> To: Catalina List<C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Mike,
>> Check fluid level and add distilled water as required. Charge over night
>> and
>> then check each cell with a hydrometer.
>> Bruce
>> Somerset 671 SoCal
>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Mike Paris" <mparis495 at gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:01:57
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Last weekend I went out for a day-sail. I usually put the battery sith on
>> "both" but I forgot and left it on "2" for the trip. The engine started
>> normally, I motored for about 30 minutes and then sailed for about 2 1/2
>> hours. When I went to restart the engine it was dead (no sound when
>> pushing
>> the start button). I changed the battery switch to "both" and the the
>> engine
>> started right up. The electrical draw during the sail was a fully cooled
>> refrigerator, the chartplotter and ST60 gauges. My boat is always plugged
>> in
>> to shorepower with charger on when in the slip. I have two wet-cell
>> batteries that I believe are about four years old (I've owned the boat
>> for
>
>> 2
>> 1/2 years). I'm not knowledable about electrical systems so I'm looking
>> for
>> advice as to steps to take to find possible problems when I head down
>> there
>> this weekend.
>>
>> Thanks to all,
>> Mike P
>> #734
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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