[C320-list] Raw water
james_delong
james_delong at bellsouth.net
Fri Jan 15 07:45:26 PST 2010
Yep...sea cock open. I don't know if the pump, with an entirely dry system,
creates enough of a vacuum to pull the water through it, or you need to
prime it somehow.
Jim
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:03:59 -0800
> From: "Kirk McCullough" <kirk.mccullough at telus.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] raw water
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> Did you remember to re-open the seacock? :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of james_delong
> Sent: 14 January 2010 20:13
> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] raw water
>
> Great suggestions on the raw water question...thanks to all!
>
> Went through the entire system today and found a leak in the pump. After
> replacing the gasket, have been unable to get any water through the
> system..
>
> I drained all the water out when I inspected the heat exchanger. Is there
> some trick in priming the pump so it draws water, or if it doesn't, do I
> assume the pump is not operating? I had some intermittent water flow
> before
> but none now. Pulled the hose at the intake side of the heat exchanger
> and
> it was dry so no water is getting that far.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim #453
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:43:17 +1100
>> From: "MICHAEL COLE" <mcol3781 at bigpond.net.au>
>> To: "Catalina320" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Raw Water System
>> Message-ID: <8B08BE2814934C2AB7BB82DECCC4E494 at michael>
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>> James sometimes the bond between the bronze centre piece of the impeller
>> and the rubber blades fails. This is often not immediately obvious on
>> inspection but the bond slips under load. I had this problem a few years
>> ago and it took me a while to work it out. Good luck
>> Mike Cole #421 Mio Dio
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:02:13 -0500
>> From: "Warren Updike" <wupdike at hotmail.com>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Raw water system
>> Message-ID: <BAY114-DS5CEE206FEC3AB569FC08CBE6C0 at phx.gbl>
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>> After owning our #62 for about 2 years, I had a problem with cooling. I
>> found about 7 impeller blades in the intake to the heat exchanger from
>> the
>> prior owner. Be sure to check that.
>>
>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>> Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
>> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: james_delong [mailto:james_delong at bellsouth.net]
>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:35 AM
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Raw water system
>>
>> Y'all, (I'm allowed to use that term as I'm in Georgia)
>>
>> Anyway...
>>
>> I have an issue with the raw water system. It seems to work intermently!
>>
>> Yep...checked the sea cock (clear), strainer (clear) and impeller
>> (new)....
>>
>> What is next? I'm assuming the raw rater pump itself (do these fail?),
>> heat
>> exchanger and the mixing elbow, but don't want to tackle those without
>> some
>> indication either of these could be the culprit!
>>
>> Some history. Once we smelled rubber burning like the pump stopped
>> rotation. After checking this and tightening the belt all was OK. A
>> couple
>> of other times there was no exhaust water, but the next time there was!
>> After the last sail, all was OK. But starting the boat at the dock now
>> results in no flow at all.
>>
>> Ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jim #453
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:25:01 +1100
> From: Bruce Stanley <brucestanley36 at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.org>
> Subject: [C320-list] pad eye attached to deck
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> I want to added pad eyes attachments to the deck of my C320 Mk1.
> This will need to take a load of 100lbs.
> Do I need to add a plate under it?
> Will the internal lining cave in? ... or is that up!
>
> suggestions appreciated.
>
> Bruce Stanley / C320 #1084
> Sydney / Australia
>
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 08:36:03 -0500
> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] pad eye attached to deck
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> Catalina reinforced many places on the deck of the C-320 with aluminum
> plate
> or solid glass to facilitate the installation of deck hardware. Your best
> bet is to contact them, tell them where plan to install the pad-eyes and
> let
> them suggest a specific location.
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 5:25 AM, Bruce Stanley
> <brucestanley36 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I want to added pad eyes attachments to the deck of my C320 Mk1.
>> This will need to take a load of 100lbs.
>> Do I need to add a plate under it?
>> Will the internal lining cave in? ... or is that up!
>>
>> suggestions appreciated.
>>
>> Bruce Stanley / C320 #1084
>> Sydney / Australia
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Chris Burti Farmville, NC
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:26:15 -0500
> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
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> I think that I may be the one posting about the Exide commercial heavy
> truck
> batteries that you are referring to.
>
> True, our batteries are not labeled "*deep cycle*". While I am not a
> battery
> engineer, I actually researched this purchase pretty carefully before
> deciding which way to go and price wasn't the sole or deciding factor.
> What
> I found leads me to believe that all a deep cycle battery essentially has
> over a starting battery is fewer and thicker plates and all that a marine
> battery has over a regular battery is marine lugs with a screw post and
> better anti-vibration matting. Heavy trucks have many more power demands
> than just starting, such as the frequent need to run lighting with the
> engine off as well as many other accessory loads. As a result of these
> performance demands, both of those features are built into Exide's
> commercial truck batteries (no marine lugs though).
>
> Because of much higher sales volume and stiff competition, one might
> suppose
> that heavy truck batteries might be priced significantly lower than
> "marine
> deep cycle" batteries. And, one might suppose that labeling truck
> batteries
> as 'deep cycle' might bleed off significant sales from the marine line
> which
> might be a more profitable line the the more competitively priced heavy
> truck line. Several seasons of frequent 50% draw down on our Exides has,
> so
> far, seemed to support my screwy hypothesis about "deep cycle" labeling
> within a manufacturer's line possibly being influenced by marketing
> considerations as well as performance and design parameters. Regardless of
> the accuracy of my suppositions, as of this writing, I think is fair to
> say
> that our four seasons of enjoying the 50% price differential equates to 8
> seasons at full price from an economist's perspective, so we are heading
> into another 'gravy' season.
>
> Just food for thought.
> Fair winds,
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Kirk McCullough
> <kirk.mccullough at telus.net
>> wrote:
>
>> I don't think Mike's Exide batteries are deep cycle, they are basically
>> truck starting batteries not intended to cycle down to low and too many
>> times. Having said that, I would also recommend a separate starting
>> battery
>> and use a Link 10 0r Link 20 to monitor. Parallel the 4D's and never
>> worry
>> about starting with the 3rd battery never used for house loads.
>>
>> Kirk
>> #124
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Hare
>> Sent: 13 January 2010 14:53
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Since you are in a warm climate I also think that the interstate truck
>> batteries are a good option.
>>
>> I recommend adding an automotive AGM *starting* battery like an Exide
>> Orbital or equivalent. It is totally maint free and saves your 4Ds from
>> the
>> slow damage that engine starting currents inflict on deep cycles. This
>> isolation also reduces voltage spikes to your electronics while starting
>> your engine.
>>
>> If you're going with a new pair of 4Ds, hardwire them in parallel and
>> treat
>> them as one big battery. You'll get noticably more usable house power
>> from
>> them, and never have to worry about starting your engine.
>>
>> AGMs are only a decent (but expensive) option if you meet several of the
>> following criteria:
>>
>> 1. You have a good charger with an AGM setting preferrably. I have a
>> Charles-40 amp.
>>
>> 2. You have a high output alternator.
>>
>> 3. You spend a decent amount of time off of shore power. We cruised for
>> 15
>> days without shore power and didn't have to conserve elec.
>> 4. You live in a cold climate where you winterize the boat for more than
>> 4mos.
>>
>> AGMs may hold a decent charge for 6mos, without needing a charge. They
>> don't
>> freeze, and accept much higher charging currents than flooded which is a
>> benefit to those needing to recharge batteries quickly using the engine
>> while on the hook.
>>
>> They don't really offer much in the way of additional life or capacity,
>> so
>> flooded batteries are still a good option if you don't have a powerful
>> alternator.
>>
>> AGMs were so expensive I worry about them more than I did the flooded
>> batteries. ~ $900 for the pair. Don't like that part so much.
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Warren Updike" <wupdike at hotmail.com>
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:41:48
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> Mike, I replaced with Interstate 3 years ago and am very happy. I would
>> have
>> preferred the AGMs but the price didn't work for me. AGMs are, yes, lo/no
>> maintenance; but, the charge rate and number of charge cycles are better
>> meaning they will last longer.
>>
>> I found that Interstate had at least 2 different 4D batteries. The one I
>> bought is the "SRM-4D Marine/RV - 30 months, 1314 cold cranking amps.
>> Larger plates, more capacity the commercial model. I bought them through
>> my
>> marina store for about $170. At the time the SRP was $178.
>>
>> I called the techs at Interstate. They were very helpful. They told me
>> that
>> the capacity was 195AH. They also gave the the Pukart (sp?) value to use
>> with my battery monitor.
>>
>> BTW, most battery mfgrs don't quote AH ratings on their batteries. An
>> estimate can be made by multiplying the Reserve Capacity (RC) by 0.6.
>>
>> If I don't hit the lottery in the meantime, I'll likely purchase them
>> again.
>>
>> FYI, Nigel Calder (I think it was,) did a study of the cost per AH of
>> marine
>> power. Exotic systems aside, he concluded that the least cost is with
>> wet
>> cells, shore charger, and a gas generator. Convenience was not a
>> criteria
>> for this study, just cost.
>>
>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>> Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
>> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Martin Raphael [mailto:Rhapsody108 at q.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:43 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>> I have had really good luck with Interstate batteries, and their prices
>> are
>> much better than WM. Check them out and see what you think. They are
>> the
>> right size (assuming you have been using 2 4Ds). An interment search is
>> a
>> good idea too, as you may find some cheaper sources...but do check the
>> dimensions to avoid problems with fit in the boxes.
>> Martin Raphael
>> Rhapsody #108 (for 1 more day...just sold the boat!)
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Mike Paris<mailto:mparis495 at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com<mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 5:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>>
>> I'm going to buy new batteries. Are there any potential problems with me
>> just replacing the batteries? Mainly, could I damage the new ones if
>> there
>>
>> is some unknown problem at the source of my electrical troubles.
>>
>> Secondly, wet cell or AGM? The West Marine price for a wet cell is $292
>> and
>> an AGM is $539. Is the AGM that much better?
>>
>> Finally, should I replace the ProMariner with the Xantrex 20 just on
>> principle? It doesn't seem to be giving me problems but many have strong
>> feelings against the ProMariner.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>> #734
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com<mailto:catalina at thehares.com>>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com<mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com>>
>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 5:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>>
>>
>> > Mike,
>> >
>> > A couple notes. When you disconnect the batteries to measure them you
>> be
>> > sure to wait an hour of so to get their true voltage. The 13.6v was
>> > likely still showing the effects of just being on the charger. More
>> > likely, the voltage should be 12.5 or so after standing for a while.
>> >
>> > I'm not suspecting the charger here as much as just old batteries.
>> They
>>
>> > show the classic signs of dying batteries. They charge fine but have
>> no
>>
>> > CAPACITY.
>> >
>> > -Jeff
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: "Allan S. Field"
>> <allan.field at verizon.net<mailto:allan.field at verizon.net>>
>> > Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:30:20
>> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com<mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com>>
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>> >
>> > Warren - it is Mike that I am thinking still has the stock ProMariner.
>> If
>> > so, that probably is the culprit for his problems. - Allan
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From:
>> c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com<mailto:
>> c320-list-bounces at lists.catal
>> ina320.com>
>> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Warren
>> > Updike
>> > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:19 PM
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com<mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>> >
>> > Allan, I don't have a ProMariner. Mine is a 50A LewMar that was on the
>> > boat
>> > when I bought it. According to the manual, it will float the
>> batteries
>> at
>> > 14.1V, although I don't leave it on when there is no DC load. The
>> charger
>> > relay for the starting battery kicks in at 13.7V. Apparently, a
>> constant
>> > voltage around 14V will not hurt the batteries. The previous set of
>> > batteries lasted 7 years so I expect my charger works OK. ---Warren
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Allan S. Field [mailto:allan.field at verizon.net]
>> > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:50 PM
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com<mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>> >
>> > Warren - Does the ProMariner reach and maintain float? I thought that
>> was
>> > the problem with it - it just kept on cooking and is not a true
>> 3-stage
>> > charger. But I could be wrong... Where is Jeff Hare on this?! -
>> Allan
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From:
>> c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com<mailto:
>> c320-list-bounces at lists.catal
>> ina320.com>
>> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Warren
>> > Updike
>> > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:39 PM
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com<mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>> >
>> > Mike, according to the experts (not me,) the only way to assess the
>> health
>> > of a wet cell deep cycle battery is to perform a load test on it. All
>> > previous advice is useful.
>> >
>> > Water the batteries, clean all connections, and recharge. Monitor the
>> > charging voltage to be sure the charger is working correctly. When the
>> > charger enters float stage, disconnect and let the batteries sit for a
>> > day.
>> > After at least 24 hrs. test the voltage again on each battery. If
>> still
>> > high, they're good. If dropped by more than a tenth or two of a volt,
>> you
>> > may have a problem. Have a load test done.
>> >
>> > As Karl suggests, you can test each cell with a hygrometer (compensate
>> for
>> > temp.) to determine if one cell is weaker than others. I recall that
>> if
>>
>> > the
>> > cell to cell difference is more than .20, the cell is likely weak.
>> >
>> > Four years is on the near side of lifetime for deep cell batteries
>> > constantly charged. Consider that your charger could be the problem.
>> >
>> > If the tops of the plates inside the cells have been left high and dry
>> for
>> > any length of time, chances are your battery is done and can't be
>> > recovered.
>> >
>> > Warren & Pattie Updike
>> > Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
>> > Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net>
>> [mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net]
>> > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 9:20 AM
>> > To: Catalina List
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>> >
>> > Mike,
>> > Also check the connections and the cables. Several times I've come
>> across
>> > a
>> > situation where a dodgey cable end or connection would handle the low
>> > current demands of the fridge and GPS but balk at the couple of
>> hundred
>> > amps
>> > required by the starter motor.
>> > Bruce
>> > Somerset 671 SoCal
>> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net>
>> > Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:51:37
>> > To: Catalina
>> List<C320-List at Catalina320.com<mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com>>
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>> >
>> > Mike,
>> > Check fluid level and add distilled water as required. Charge over
>> night
>>
>> > and
>> > then check each cell with a hydrometer.
>> > Bruce
>> > Somerset 671 SoCal
>> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: "Mike Paris" <mparis495 at gmail.com<mailto:mparis495 at gmail.com>>
>> > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 18:01:57
>> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com<mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com>>
>> > Subject: [C320-list] Electrical problem
>> >
>> > Last weekend I went out for a day-sail. I usually put the battery sith
>> on
>> > "both" but I forgot and left it on "2" for the trip. The engine
>> started
>> > normally, I motored for about 30 minutes and then sailed for about 2
>> 1/2
>> > hours. When I went to restart the engine it was dead (no sound when
>> > pushing
>> > the start button). I changed the battery switch to "both" and the the
>> > engine
>> > started right up. The electrical draw during the sail was a fully
>> cooled
>> > refrigerator, the chartplotter and ST60 gauges. My boat is always
>> plugged
>> > in
>> > to shorepower with charger on when in the slip. I have two wet-cell
>> > batteries that I believe are about four years old (I've owned the boat
>> for
>> > 2
>> > 1/2 years). I'm not knowledable about electrical systems so I'm
>> looking
>> > for
>> > advice as to steps to take to find possible problems when I head down
>> > there
>> > this weekend.
>> >
>> > Thanks to all,
>> > Mike P
>> > #734
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Chris Burti Farmville, NC
>
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