[C320-list] Dinghy Davits

[Pat Kenefick]

I would like to install davits and I am looking for suggestions of what 
commercial brands you folks who have installed them would recommend; I would 
like to have a set that I can safely leave a 6 HP engine on the dinghy. I 
plan to cruise South this winter from NC; 90% will be the ICW, however, 
around Florida I will do some outside sailing.
Thanks
Pat Kenefick
# 833
Bath, NC
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> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 07:53:29 -0400
> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
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> Ditto on my 1999 boat, and we even use Chesapeake Bay water to flush
> most of the time.  (I usually do a last flush with fresh before leaving
> the boat, however.)  I do not recall it to be an issue on older 320s
> when we went shopping in 2003.
>
> Scott Thompson
> Surprise, 653
>
> hcreech at comcast.net wrote:
>> Hey List, just an observation, but most of the hull numbers I have seen 
>> mentioning this problem have been newer boats. My boat, hull 606, is a 
>> 1999 model. Once I learned, from the list, to use fresh water instead of 
>> pumping bay water there has been no odors on my boat, you can ask my 
>> wife. As long as I take care of the bilge the boat smells like a boat, 
>> but no offensive odors. I am assuming the locker everyone is mentioning 
>> is beneath the head sink, if so no odors from there, in fact none from 
>> anywhere on the boat. We do pump out on a regular basis, but sometimes it 
>> sits, so I was a little surprised to hear this complaint. Maybe someone 
>> should tally the hull numbers and see, if like the shallow bilge problem, 
>> it is related to a certain vintage boat.
>> Sorry some are having this problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> Herb Creech
>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "michael nagelkirk" <mikenagelkirk at gmail.com>
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 3:43:48 PM
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>> My goodness Sean, Fred and all the rest of us dealing with the odor 
>> issue. I
>> had no idea that it was almost universal. To think of the time and money
>> required just to get as little as 20% of the odor out and not even be 
>> able
>> to use your locker or the full potential of your head for that matter is
>> appalling. I think we should collectively take this up with Catalina
>> directly and have its experts solve the problem and possibly even 
>> contribute
>> to the remedy.
>>
>> *Mike NagelkirkMikeNagelkirk*
>> True North #909
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:00 PM, 
>> <c320-list-request at lists.catalina320.com>wrote:
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>>> Today's Topics:
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>>> 1. Re: eliminating odor (Sean Kaldor)
>>> 2. Re: eliminating odor (Fred LEcuyer)
>>> 3. Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
>>> 4. muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
>>> 5. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
>>> 6. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
>>> 7. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
>>> 8. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Scott Thompson)
>>> 9. Hurricane Earl (Robert Seastream)
>>> 10. Re: Hurricane Earl (ericstillwellevans at gmail.com)
>>> 11. Re: Hurricane Earl (jim brown)
>>> 12. Re: Hurricane Earl (=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
>>> 13. Re: Hurricane Earl (Kurt Budelmann)
>>> 14. Re: Hurricane Earl (Jeff Hare)
>>> 15. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (chester carson)
>>> 16. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: Sean Kaldor <spkaldor at yahoo.com>
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
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>>>
>>> We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
>>>
>>> Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
>>> compartment
>>> under the sink upon purchase.
>>>
>>> Took the following action:
>>>
>>> (1) Replaced the entire head;
>>> (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as 
>>> well
>>> as
>>> sink drain hose;
>>> (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
>>> (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
>>> (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and
>>> compartment?repeatedly
>>> with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
>>> (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
>>> (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no 
>>> solid
>>> waste;
>>> (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
>>>
>>> Four?months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
>>>
>>> The only other steps I can think of would be:
>>> (1) Replace the holding tank;
>>> (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
>>> (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor 
>>> remover;
>>>
>>> But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point, 
>>> we
>>> don't
>>> store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any 
>>> further
>>> than
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>> Libert? #499
>>> San Francisco
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:35:34 -0400
>>> From: Fred LEcuyer <fred.lecuyer at live.com>
>>> To: Catalina320list Catalina320list <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>>> Message-ID: <SNT113-W37399B1320F4AABC876DDE98A0 at phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>>
>>> Sean:
>>>
>>> Our biggest improvement seemed to come when I re-tefloned the fittings 
>>> to
>>> the tank and removed the tank to scrub underneath.
>>>
>>> Someone further down the E-mail chain suggest that backpressure from
>>> accidently hitting the macerator switch may have caused leakage at the
>>> fittings. That makes sense to me and it's nearly impossible to tell 
>>> what's
>>> under the tank until you pull it.
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700
>>>> From: spkaldor at yahoo.com
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>>>>
>>>> We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
>>>>
>>>> Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
>>> compartment
>>>> under the sink upon purchase.
>>>>
>>>> Took the following action:
>>>>
>>>> (1) Replaced the entire head;
>>>> (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as
>>> well as
>>>> sink drain hose;
>>>> (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
>>>> (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
>>>> (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and compartment
>>> repeatedly
>>>> with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
>>>> (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
>>>> (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no 
>>>> solid
>>> waste;
>>>> (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
>>>>
>>>> Four months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
>>>>
>>>> The only other steps I can think of would be:
>>>> (1) Replace the holding tank;
>>>> (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
>>>> (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor 
>>>> remover;
>>>>
>>>> But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point, 
>>>> we
>>> don't
>>>> store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any
>>> further than
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> Sean
>>>> Libert? #499
>>>> San Francisco
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:00:00 -0400
>>> From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> To: C320-List <C320-list at catalina320.org>
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <AANLkTimr4vwxdBEF6CBXT1omhq6ftVM0Wn9GQGGNRjt- at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>>> Irv grunes
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:10:55 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>>> Message-ID: <268590.93779.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
>>> inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems 
>>> cited,
>>> ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In 
>>> the
>>> 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
>>> electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box). I 
>>> do
>>> have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to 
>>> address
>>> for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think 
>>> fortunately
>>> however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>>>
>>> On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake 
>>> Michigan
>>> (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
>>> cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten 
>>> from
>>> Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year 
>>> old
>>> one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and assorted
>>> pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
>>> removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some of 
>>> the
>>> water remained, as always, under the liner.
>>>
>>> I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two 
>>> nights
>>> later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
>>> smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
>>> thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin lights
>>> which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming 
>>> from
>>> behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
>>> Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
>>> insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto and
>>> burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through 
>>> conduit
>>> from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the 
>>> marina
>>> had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and 
>>> started
>>> the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I could
>>> see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the 
>>> liner.
>>> I am thinking
>>> that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from spreading.
>>> Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was 
>>> ok.
>>>
>>> The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
>>> battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would 
>>> alleviate
>>> some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
>>> reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge went 
>>> thru
>>> the negative side seeking ground.
>>>
>>> This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the wiring
>>> which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel 
>>> etc.
>>> In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
>>> fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I 
>>> will
>>> immediately remove the shore power cord.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 00:43:47 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: hcreech at comcast.net
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <
>>> 1793164456.820936.1283301827848.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That 
>>> is
>>> where I bought mine.
>>>
>>>
>>> Herb Creech
>>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> To: "C320-List" <C320-list at catalina320.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:00:00 PM
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>>
>>> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>>> Irv grunes
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:49:07 -0400
>>> From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <AANLkTikz4Ju1H9wbYo_YRyW7nXMHHVxa0LysYLmnj73w at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>
>>> Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
>>> Irv
>>> #851
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That 
>>> is
>>> where I bought mine.
>>>
>>>
>>> Herb Creech
>>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 01:55:14 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: hcreech at comcast.net
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <
>>> 405149512.824953.1283306114833.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> That was what I was talking about, read it right the first time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Herb
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>>
>>> Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
>>> Irv
>>> #851
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That 
>>> is
>>> where I bought mine.
>>>
>>>
>>> Herb Creech
>>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:29:26 -0400
>>> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>> Message-ID: <4C7E3916.8040401 at thompson87.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>
>>> These are manufactured by SSI Custom Plastics in Hollywood, Maryland.
>>> They were very helpful when I called them to get a replacement a few
>>> years back.
>>>
>>> See http://www.ssicustomplastics.com/
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Scott Thompson
>>> Surprise, #653
>>>
>>>
>>> Irving Grunes wrote:
>>>> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>>>> Irv grunes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:47:10 -0400
>>> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> Message-ID: <C517D7D0-582E-400F-85B0-7F144AED46EA at comcast.net>
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>>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>>> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>>> next to them after the storm passed.
>>>
>>> Bob Seastream
>>> Intuition # 906
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 10
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:00:15 +0000
>>> From: ericstillwellevans at gmail.com
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <1158712043-1283342415-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-275800562- at bda2817.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
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>>>
>>> I used to feel the same way until a Squall traveling 40mph with 85mph 
>>> winds
>>> lasting only 10min dragged my boat and others and caused damage.
>>>
>>> I would think with the storm surge related to hurricanes a mooring may 
>>> be
>>> fine but I would extend your mooring lines.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>> 724
>>> ------Original Message------ 
>>> From: Robert Seastream
>>> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>>> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>>> next to them after the storm passed.
>>>
>>> Bob Seastream
>>> Intuition # 906
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 11
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 05:01:55 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> Message-ID: <732454.82453.qm at web58604.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>
>>> BoatUS has a whole section on hurricane preparation from the safest 
>>> place
>>> to be to what kind of lines-not nylon- to use to what chafing gear is 
>>> best
>>> etc Very helpful
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 7:47 AM
>>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit 
>>> (doubtful
>>> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:? in a slip, 
>>> on a
>>> mooring, or out of the water?
>>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about 
>>> and
>>> hit the boat.? On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next to
>>> them after the storm passed.
>>>
>>> Bob Seastream
>>> Intuition # 906
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 12
>>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 08:04:23 -0400
>>> From: "=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?="
>>> <argates2nd at comcast.net>
>>> To: "=?utf-8?B?Um9iZXJ0IFNlYXN0cmVhbQ==?="
>>> <robert.seastream at comcast.net>, C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> Message-ID: <20100901120417.B6650448230 at homiemail-mx2.g.dreamhost.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> Ins req'ts?
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>>>
>>> ----- Reply message ----- 
>>> From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>> Date: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 7:47 am
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit 
>>> (doubtful
>>> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip, on 
>>> a
>>> mooring, or out of the water?
>>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about 
>>> and
>>> hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next to
>>> them after the storm passed.
>>>
>>> Bob Seastream
>>> Intuition # 906
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 13
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:37:18 -0400
>>> From: "Kurt Budelmann" <krbmd77 at charter.net>
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> Message-ID: <F14A55A0B8894971891B266CC66DAA25 at lchcs.org>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>> reply-type=response
>>>
>>> Seaworthy, the Boat US magazine showed that the best preparation was on
>>> land
>>> with jackstands and guide wires preventing the boat from moving. I think
>>> they had 4 to 6 guide wires anchored in the ground around the boat. 
>>> Also,
>>> their insurance will offset the cost.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:47 AM
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>>
>>>
>>>> All:
>>>>
>>>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>> (doubtful
>>>> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip,
>>> on
>>>> a mooring, or out of the water?
>>>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>>> next
>>>> to them after the storm passed.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Seastream
>>>> Intuition # 906
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 14
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:38:56 +0000
>>> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <255742206-1283344729-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-419593409- at bda284.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
>>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>>
>>> In our area Bob, land is the best option as yards around here are used 
>>> to
>>> blocking boats on stands for high winds. Maybe 100 mph winds would 
>>> require
>>> some staked lines or tied off on trees. I know my boat with cover has 
>>> done
>>> fine in 70mph on land. Ins companies will often pay for haulout if a 
>>> storm
>>> is imminent and damage is likely.
>>>
>>> I would say moorings next assuming the mooring block and tackle is 
>>> solid.
>>>
>>> Docks are the worst because the boat will get pounded a lot and can't 
>>> face
>>> the wind.
>>>
>>> Take your canvas down, center the boom and tie off the aft end to both
>>> stern cleats. Secure all loose lines and lead halyards where they won't
>>> chaffe on the spreaders.
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>>
>>> ------Original Message------ 
>>> From: Robert Seastream
>>> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>>> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>>> next to them after the storm passed.
>>>
>>> Bob Seastream
>>> Intuition # 906
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 15
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:07:45 -0500
>>> From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <AANLkTimJm2YoBp05rCzKkLKsTonCSdZ4-GGBk+2m9=Gd at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> Pat
>>> that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution is to fuse 
>>> the
>>> battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram with specs 
>>> that
>>> they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on new boats.
>>> Kit Carson
>>> #223
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
>>>> inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems
>>> cited,
>>>> ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In
>>> the
>>>> 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
>>>> electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box). 
>>>> I
>>> do
>>>> have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to 
>>>> address
>>>> for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think
>>> fortunately
>>>> however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>>>>
>>>> On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake
>>> Michigan
>>>> (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
>>>> cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten
>>> from
>>>> Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year
>>> old
>>>> one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and 
>>>> assorted
>>>> pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
>>>> removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some of
>>> the
>>>> water remained, as always, under the liner.
>>>>
>>>> I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two
>>> nights
>>>> later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
>>>> smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
>>>> thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin lights
>>>> which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming 
>>>> from
>>>> behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
>>>> Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
>>>> insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto and
>>>> burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through
>>> conduit
>>>> from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the
>>> marina
>>>> had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and 
>>>> started
>>>> the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I 
>>>> could
>>>> see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the
>>> liner.
>>>> I am thinking
>>>> that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from 
>>>> spreading.
>>>> Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was
>>> ok.
>>>> The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
>>>> battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would
>>> alleviate
>>>> some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
>>>> reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge went
>>> thru
>>>> the negative side seeking ground.
>>>>
>>>> This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the 
>>>> wiring
>>>> which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel
>>> etc.
>>>> In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
>>>> fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I
>>> will
>>>> immediately remove the shore power cord.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 16
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>>> Message-ID: <118319.86321.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>
>>> Thanks Kit I think that is what the electrician told me about the
>>> standards when he put the fuses on the wires at the batt switch. I know
>>> less about this field than I do computers so I forgot to ask him if this
>>> affected the way the batteries are charged on shore power, ie both 
>>> charged
>>> no matter what position the switch is on.
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:07 AM
>>>> Pat
>>>> that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution
>>>> is to fuse the
>>>> battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram
>>>> with specs that
>>>> they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on
>>>> new boats.
>>>> Kit Carson
>>>> #223
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this
>>>> site since its'
>>>>> inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many
>>>> of the problems cited,
>>>>> ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems,
>>>> corrosion etc.? In the
>>>>> 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the
>>>> muffler and the
>>>>> electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened
>>>> pandora's box).? I do
>>>>> have a water under the liner problem which I have been
>>>> meaning to address
>>>>> for several of those 15 years (again freshwater
>>>> only).? I think fortunately
>>>>> however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>>>>>
>>>>> On a recent single handed return from a long distance
>>>> race on Lake Michigan
>>>>> (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at? 3
>>>> am by the bilge pump
>>>>> cycling.? It seems that the year old replacement
>>>> muffler I had gotten from
>>>>> Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse
>>>> than the 14 year old
>>>>> one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the
>>>> bilges and assorted
>>>>> pockets.? Tired and grumbling since I was still
>>>> 100 miles from home, I
>>>>> removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple
>>>> of hours.? Some of the
>>>>> water remained, as always, under the liner.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and
>>>> continued on.? Two nights
>>>>> later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad
>>>> electrical storm, I
>>>>> smelled something burning.? I had a fan running
>>>> off the shore power and
>>>>> thought it had overheated but it was cool.? I
>>>> turned on the cabin lights
>>>>> which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp
>>>> of smoke coming from
>>>>> behind the electrical panel.? It was heavier when
>>>> I opened the panel.
>>>>> ? Opening the battery compartment I could see that
>>>> the charger wire
>>>>> insulation had burned completely off and these wires
>>>> had fused onto and
>>>>> burned the battery cables.? These wires run under
>>>> the liner through conduit
>>>>> from the starboard to the port side.? Apparently
>>>> a power surge at the marina
>>>>> had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the
>>>> charger and started
>>>>> the electrical fire.? When they pulled the wiring
>>>> and conduit out I could
>>>>> see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely
>>>> thru under the liner.
>>>>> ? I am thinking
>>>>> ? that maybe the water underneath had helped keep
>>>> the fire from spreading.
>>>>> ? Except for all of the wiring, charger and
>>>> battery switch all else was ok.
>>>>> The electrician did not reconnect the
>
> -- 
> Scott Thompson
> Surprise, #653
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:05:51 +0000 (UTC)
> From: hcreech at comcast.net
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
> Message-ID:
> <1868309999.896099.1283429150953.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Jeff,
> Never have had an odor from that locker either, maybe why I was confused. 
> However we are one of the victims of the sticky gelcoat, all of our foul 
> weather gear is in that locker and every piece has white stains. We also 
> use the humidity control on our Cruise Air, the boat smells boaty, but not 
> nasty.
>
>
> Herb
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 8:49:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>
>
> Herb,
>
> On our boat, there's little or no smell in the head or under the sink. But 
> the locker in the aft cabin seems to get it instead. I think that's what 
> this thread was referring to.
>
> Its probably not universal, but there is likely some common cause and cure 
> for those who notice it. Maybe it's the clamps on the vent hose where they 
> were difficult to reach.
>
> -Jeff
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: hcreech at comcast.net
> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:11:18
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Reply-To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
>
> Hey List, just an observation, but most of the hull numbers I have seen 
> mentioning this problem have been newer boats. My boat, hull 606, is a 
> 1999 model. Once I learned, from the list, to use fresh water instead of 
> pumping bay water there has been no odors on my boat, you can ask my wife. 
> As long as I take care of the bilge the boat smells like a boat, but no 
> offensive odors. I am assuming the locker everyone is mentioning is 
> beneath the head sink, if so no odors from there, in fact none from 
> anywhere on the boat. We do pump out on a regular basis, but sometimes it 
> sits, so I was a little surprised to hear this complaint. Maybe someone 
> should tally the hull numbers and see, if like the shallow bilge problem, 
> it is related to a certain vintage boat.
> Sorry some are having this problem.
>
>
>
> Herb Creech
> Cloud Chaser #606
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "michael nagelkirk" <mikenagelkirk at gmail.com>
> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 3:43:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
>
> My goodness Sean, Fred and all the rest of us dealing with the odor issue. 
> I
> had no idea that it was almost universal. To think of the time and money
> required just to get as little as 20% of the odor out and not even be able
> to use your locker or the full potential of your head for that matter is
> appalling. I think we should collectively take this up with Catalina
> directly and have its experts solve the problem and possibly even 
> contribute
> to the remedy.
>
> *Mike NagelkirkMikeNagelkirk*
> True North #909
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:00 PM, 
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>
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>> 1. Re: eliminating odor (Sean Kaldor)
>> 2. Re: eliminating odor (Fred LEcuyer)
>> 3. Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
>> 4. muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
>> 5. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
>> 6. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
>> 7. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
>> 8. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Scott Thompson)
>> 9. Hurricane Earl (Robert Seastream)
>> 10. Re: Hurricane Earl (ericstillwellevans at gmail.com)
>> 11. Re: Hurricane Earl (jim brown)
>> 12. Re: Hurricane Earl (=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
>> 13. Re: Hurricane Earl (Kurt Budelmann)
>> 14. Re: Hurricane Earl (Jeff Hare)
>> 15. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (chester carson)
>> 16. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Sean Kaldor <spkaldor at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>> Message-ID: <697913.24018.qm at web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
>>
>> Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
>> compartment
>> under the sink upon purchase.
>>
>> Took the following action:
>>
>> (1) Replaced the entire head;
>> (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as 
>> well
>> as
>> sink drain hose;
>> (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
>> (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
>> (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and
>> compartment?repeatedly
>> with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
>> (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
>> (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no solid
>> waste;
>> (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
>>
>> Four?months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
>>
>> The only other steps I can think of would be:
>> (1) Replace the holding tank;
>> (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
>> (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor remover;
>>
>> But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point, we
>> don't
>> store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any 
>> further
>> than
>> that.
>>
>> Sean
>> Libert? #499
>> San Francisco
>>
>> ------------------------------ 
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:35:34 -0400
>> From: Fred LEcuyer <fred.lecuyer at live.com>
>> To: Catalina320list Catalina320list <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>> Message-ID: <SNT113-W37399B1320F4AABC876DDE98A0 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>
>> Sean:
>>
>> Our biggest improvement seemed to come when I re-tefloned the fittings to
>> the tank and removed the tank to scrub underneath.
>>
>> Someone further down the E-mail chain suggest that backpressure from
>> accidently hitting the macerator switch may have caused leakage at the
>> fittings. That makes sense to me and it's nearly impossible to tell 
>> what's
>> under the tank until you pull it.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700
>> > From: spkaldor at yahoo.com
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>> >
>> > We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
>> >
>> > Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
>> compartment
>> > under the sink upon purchase.
>> >
>> > Took the following action:
>> >
>> > (1) Replaced the entire head;
>> > (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as
>> well as
>> > sink drain hose;
>> > (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
>> > (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
>> > (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and compartment
>> repeatedly
>> > with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
>> > (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
>> > (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no 
>> > solid
>> waste;
>> > (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
>> >
>> > Four months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
>> >
>> > The only other steps I can think of would be:
>> > (1) Replace the holding tank;
>> > (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
>> > (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor 
>> > remover;
>> >
>> > But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point, 
>> > we
>> don't
>> > store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any
>> further than
>> > that.
>> >
>> > Sean
>> > Libert? #499
>> > San Francisco
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------ 
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:00:00 -0400
>> From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List <C320-list at catalina320.org>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTimr4vwxdBEF6CBXT1omhq6ftVM0Wn9GQGGNRjt- at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>> Irv grunes
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------ 
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:10:55 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>> Message-ID: <268590.93779.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
>> inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems 
>> cited,
>> ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In the
>> 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
>> electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box). I 
>> do
>> have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to address
>> for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think 
>> fortunately
>> however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>>
>> On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake 
>> Michigan
>> (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
>> cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten from
>> Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year 
>> old
>> one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and assorted
>> pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
>> removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some of 
>> the
>> water remained, as always, under the liner.
>>
>> I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two nights
>> later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
>> smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
>> thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin lights
>> which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming from
>> behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
>> Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
>> insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto and
>> burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through 
>> conduit
>> from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the 
>> marina
>> had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and started
>> the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I could
>> see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the 
>> liner.
>> I am thinking
>> that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from spreading.
>> Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was ok.
>>
>> The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
>> battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would 
>> alleviate
>> some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
>> reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge went 
>> thru
>> the negative side seeking ground.
>>
>> This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the wiring
>> which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel 
>> etc.
>> In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
>> fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I will
>> immediately remove the shore power cord.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------ 
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 00:43:47 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: hcreech at comcast.net
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> Message-ID:
>> <
>> 1793164456.820936.1283301827848.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
>> >
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That is
>> where I bought mine.
>>
>>
>> Herb Creech
>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: "C320-List" <C320-list at catalina320.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:00:00 PM
>> Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>
>> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>> Irv grunes
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------ 
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:49:07 -0400
>> From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTikz4Ju1H9wbYo_YRyW7nXMHHVxa0LysYLmnj73w at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
>> Irv
>> #851
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That is
>> where I bought mine.
>>
>>
>> Herb Creech
>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------ 
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 01:55:14 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: hcreech at comcast.net
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> Message-ID:
>> <
>> 405149512.824953.1283306114833.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
>> >
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> That was what I was talking about, read it right the first time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Herb
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>
>> Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
>> Irv
>> #851
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That is
>> where I bought mine.
>>
>>
>> Herb Creech
>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------ 
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:29:26 -0400
>> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> Message-ID: <4C7E3916.8040401 at thompson87.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> These are manufactured by SSI Custom Plastics in Hollywood, Maryland.
>> They were very helpful when I called them to get a replacement a few
>> years back.
>>
>> See http://www.ssicustomplastics.com/
>>
>> -- 
>> Scott Thompson
>> Surprise, #653
>>
>>
>> Irving Grunes wrote:
>> > Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>> > Irv grunes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------ 
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:47:10 -0400
>> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Message-ID: <C517D7D0-582E-400F-85B0-7F144AED46EA at comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>
>> All:
>>
>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>> next to them after the storm passed.
>>
>> Bob Seastream
>> Intuition # 906
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------ 
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:00:15 +0000
>> From: ericstillwellevans at gmail.com
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <1158712043-1283342415-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-275800562- at bda2817.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
>> >
>>
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>> I used to feel the same way until a Squall traveling 40mph with 85mph 
>> winds
>> lasting only 10min dragged my boat and others and caused damage.
>>
>> I would think with the storm surge related to hurricanes a mooring may be
>> fine but I would extend your mooring lines.
>>
>> Rick
>> 724
>> ------Original Message------ 
>> From: Robert Seastream
>> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>>
>> All:
>>
>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>> next to them after the storm passed.
>>
>> Bob Seastream
>> Intuition # 906
>>
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------ 
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 05:01:55 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Message-ID: <732454.82453.qm at web58604.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> BoatUS has a whole section on hurricane preparation from the safest place
>> to be to what kind of lines-not nylon- to use to what chafing gear is 
>> best
>> etc Very helpful
>>
>> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 7:47 AM
>>
>> All:
>>
>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit (doubtful
>> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:? in a slip, on 
>> a
>> mooring, or out of the water?
>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about 
>> and
>> hit the boat.? On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next to
>> them after the storm passed.
>>
>> Bob Seastream
>> Intuition # 906
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------ 
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 08:04:23 -0400
>> From: "=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?="
>> <argates2nd at comcast.net>
>> To: "=?utf-8?B?Um9iZXJ0IFNlYXN0cmVhbQ==?="
>> <robert.seastream at comcast.net>, C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Message-ID: <20100901120417.B6650448230 at homiemail-mx2.g.dreamhost.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Ins req'ts?
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>>
>> ----- Reply message ----- 
>> From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> Date: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 7:47 am
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>
>> All:
>>
>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit (doubtful
>> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip, on 
>> a
>> mooring, or out of the water?
>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about 
>> and
>> hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next to
>> them after the storm passed.
>>
>> Bob Seastream
>> Intuition # 906
>>
>> ------------------------------ 
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:37:18 -0400
>> From: "Kurt Budelmann" <krbmd77 at charter.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Message-ID: <F14A55A0B8894971891B266CC66DAA25 at lchcs.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> Seaworthy, the Boat US magazine showed that the best preparation was on
>> land
>> with jackstands and guide wires preventing the boat from moving. I think
>> they had 4 to 6 guide wires anchored in the ground around the boat. Also,
>> their insurance will offset the cost.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:47 AM
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>
>>
>> > All:
>> >
>> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>> (doubtful
>> > the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip,
>> on
>> > a mooring, or out of the water?
>> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>> > and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>> next
>> > to them after the storm passed.
>> >
>> > Bob Seastream
>> > Intuition # 906
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------ 
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:38:56 +0000
>> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <255742206-1283344729-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-419593409- at bda284.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
>> >
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>
>> In our area Bob, land is the best option as yards around here are used to
>> blocking boats on stands for high winds. Maybe 100 mph winds would 
>> require
>> some staked lines or tied off on trees. I know my boat with cover has 
>> done
>> fine in 70mph on land. Ins companies will often pay for haulout if a 
>> storm
>> is imminent and damage is likely.
>>
>> I would say moorings next assuming the mooring block and tackle is solid.
>>
>> Docks are the worst because the boat will get pounded a lot and can't 
>> face
>> the wind.
>>
>> Take your canvas down, center the boom and tie off the aft end to both
>> stern cleats. Secure all loose lines and lead halyards where they won't
>> chaffe on the spreaders.
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>> ------Original Message------ 
>> From: Robert Seastream
>> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>>
>> All:
>>
>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>> next to them after the storm passed.
>>
>> Bob Seastream
>> Intuition # 906
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------ 
>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:07:45 -0500
>> From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTimJm2YoBp05rCzKkLKsTonCSdZ4-GGBk+2m9=Gd at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Pat
>> that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution is to fuse 
>> the
>> battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram with specs that
>> they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on new boats.
>> Kit Carson
>> #223
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
>> > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems
>> cited,
>> > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In
>> the
>> > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
>> > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box). 
>> > I
>> do
>> > have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to 
>> > address
>> > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think
>> fortunately
>> > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>> >
>> > On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake
>> Michigan
>> > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
>> > cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten
>> from
>> > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year
>> old
>> > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and 
>> > assorted
>> > pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
>> > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some of
>> the
>> > water remained, as always, under the liner.
>> >
>> > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two
>> nights
>> > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
>> > smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
>> > thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin lights
>> > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming 
>> > from
>> > behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
>> > Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
>> > insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto and
>> > burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through
>> conduit
>> > from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the
>> marina
>> > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and 
>> > started
>> > the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I 
>> > could
>> > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the
>> liner.
>> > I am thinking
>> > that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from 
>> > spreading.
>> > Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was
>> ok.
>> >
>> > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
>> > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would
>> alleviate
>> > some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
>> > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge went
>> thru
>> > the negative side seeking ground.
>> >
>> > This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the 
>> > wiring
>> > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel
>> etc.
>> > In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
>> > fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I
>> will
>> > immediately remove the shore power cord.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------ 
>>
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>> Message-ID: <118319.86321.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Thanks Kit I think that is what the electrician told me about the
>> standards when he put the fuses on the wires at the batt switch. I know
>> less about this field than I do computers so I forgot to ask him if this
>> affected the way the batteries are charged on shore power, ie both 
>> charged
>> no matter what position the switch is on.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> > Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:07 AM
>> > Pat
>> > that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution
>> > is to fuse the
>> > battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram
>> > with specs that
>> > they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on
>> > new boats.
>> > Kit Carson
>> > #223
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this
>> > site since its'
>> > > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many
>> > of the problems cited,
>> > > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems,
>> > corrosion etc.? In the
>> > > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the
>> > muffler and the
>> > > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened
>> > pandora's box).? I do
>> > > have a water under the liner problem which I have been
>> > meaning to address
>> > > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater
>> > only).? I think fortunately
>> > > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>> > >
>> > > On a recent single handed return from a long distance
>> > race on Lake Michigan
>> > > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at? 3
>> > am by the bilge pump
>> > > cycling.? It seems that the year old replacement
>> > muffler I had gotten from
>> > > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse
>> > than the 14 year old
>> > > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the
>> > bilges and assorted
>> > > pockets.? Tired and grumbling since I was still
>> > 100 miles from home, I
>> > > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple
>> > of hours.? Some of the
>> > > water remained, as always, under the liner.
>> > >
>> > > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and
>> > continued on.? Two nights
>> > > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad
>> > electrical storm, I
>> > > smelled something burning.? I had a fan running
>> > off the shore power and
>> > > thought it had overheated but it was cool.? I
>> > turned on the cabin lights
>> > > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp
>> > of smoke coming from
>> > > behind the electrical panel.? It was heavier when
>> > I opened the panel.
>> > >? Opening the battery compartment I could see that
>> > the charger wire
>> > > insulation had burned completely off and these wires
>> > had fused onto and
>> > > burned the battery cables.? These wires run under
>> > the liner through conduit
>> > > from the starboard to the port side.? Apparently
>> > a power surge at the marina
>> > > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the
>> > charger and started
>> > > the electrical fire.? When they pulled the wiring
>> > and conduit out I could
>> > > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely
>> > thru under the liner.
>> > >? I am thinking
>> > >? that maybe the water underneath had helped keep
>> > the fire from spreading.
>> > >? Except for all of the wiring, charger and
>> > battery switch all else was ok.
>> > >
>> > > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires
>> > directly to the
>> > > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses.?
>> > He said that would alleviate
>> > > some of the wiring running underneath the liner.?
>> > He also said that the
>> > > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was
>> > because the charge went thru
>> > > the negative side seeking ground.
>> > >
>> > > This was just a long way of saying that we should be
>> > aware of the wiring
>> > > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine,
>> > charger, panel etc.
>> > >? In additon to being inaccessible it may also be
>> > subject to chafe and
>> > > fraying.???If I am ever on the boat
>> > again during an electrical storm I will
>> > > immediately remove the shore power cord.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
>> *****************************************
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:17:37 -0400
> From: "Stephane Rousseau _/)" <stephaner at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTimu2BtgA0KZ0yvYq=CCtGwgDWPXmhLAKrPAwbaC at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I had the smell in locker in the aft cabin. I did resolve it by changing 
> the
> hose going from the toilet to the tank with one using the white material. 
> It
> was a black rubber hose before and after time, it become poorous to odor.
> The white one doesn't smell over time but you have to use a compatible
> antifreeze for winterization like the pink one used in RV.
>
> Regards _/)
>
>
> Steph _/)
> Wedidit II - Hull 544
>
>
> 2010/9/2 <hcreech at comcast.net>
>
>> Jeff,
>> Never have had an odor from that locker either, maybe why I was confused.
>> However we are one of the victims of the sticky gelcoat, all of our foul
>> weather gear is in that locker and every piece has white stains. We also 
>> use
>> the humidity control on our Cruise Air, the boat smells boaty, but not
>> nasty.
>>
>>
>> Herb
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 8:49:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>>
>>
>> Herb,
>>
>> On our boat, there's little or no smell in the head or under the sink. 
>> But
>> the locker in the aft cabin seems to get it instead. I think that's what
>> this thread was referring to.
>>
>> Its probably not universal, but there is likely some common cause and 
>> cure
>> for those who notice it. Maybe it's the clamps on the vent hose where 
>> they
>> were difficult to reach.
>>
>> -Jeff
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: hcreech at comcast.net
>> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:11:18
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Reply-To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
>>
>> Hey List, just an observation, but most of the hull numbers I have seen
>> mentioning this problem have been newer boats. My boat, hull 606, is a 
>> 1999
>> model. Once I learned, from the list, to use fresh water instead of 
>> pumping
>> bay water there has been no odors on my boat, you can ask my wife. As 
>> long
>> as I take care of the bilge the boat smells like a boat, but no offensive
>> odors. I am assuming the locker everyone is mentioning is beneath the 
>> head
>> sink, if so no odors from there, in fact none from anywhere on the boat. 
>> We
>> do pump out on a regular basis, but sometimes it sits, so I was a little
>> surprised to hear this complaint. Maybe someone should tally the hull
>> numbers and see, if like the shallow bilge problem, it is related to a
>> certain vintage boat.
>> Sorry some are having this problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> Herb Creech
>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "michael nagelkirk" <mikenagelkirk at gmail.com>
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 3:43:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
>>
>> My goodness Sean, Fred and all the rest of us dealing with the odor 
>> issue.
>> I
>> had no idea that it was almost universal. To think of the time and money
>> required just to get as little as 20% of the odor out and not even be 
>> able
>> to use your locker or the full potential of your head for that matter is
>> appalling. I think we should collectively take this up with Catalina
>> directly and have its experts solve the problem and possibly even
>> contribute
>> to the remedy.
>>
>> *Mike NagelkirkMikeNagelkirk*
>> True North #909
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:00 PM, <c320-list-request at lists.catalina320.com
>> >wrote:
>>
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>> > Today's Topics:
>> >
>> > 1. Re: eliminating odor (Sean Kaldor)
>> > 2. Re: eliminating odor (Fred LEcuyer)
>> > 3. Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
>> > 4. muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
>> > 5. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
>> > 6. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
>> > 7. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
>> > 8. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Scott Thompson)
>> > 9. Hurricane Earl (Robert Seastream)
>> > 10. Re: Hurricane Earl (ericstillwellevans at gmail.com)
>> > 11. Re: Hurricane Earl (jim brown)
>> > 12. Re: Hurricane Earl (=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
>> > 13. Re: Hurricane Earl (Kurt Budelmann)
>> > 14. Re: Hurricane Earl (Jeff Hare)
>> > 15. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (chester carson)
>> > 16. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
>> >
>> >
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT)
>> > From: Sean Kaldor <spkaldor at yahoo.com>
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>> > Message-ID: <697913.24018.qm at web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>> >
>> > We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
>> >
>> > Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
>> > compartment
>> > under the sink upon purchase.
>> >
>> > Took the following action:
>> >
>> > (1) Replaced the entire head;
>> > (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as
>> well
>> > as
>> > sink drain hose;
>> > (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
>> > (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
>> > (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and
>> > compartment?repeatedly
>> > with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
>> > (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
>> > (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no 
>> > solid
>> > waste;
>> > (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
>> >
>> > Four?months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
>> >
>> > The only other steps I can think of would be:
>> > (1) Replace the holding tank;
>> > (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
>> > (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor 
>> > remover;
>> >
>> > But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point, 
>> > we
>> > don't
>> > store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any
>> further
>> > than
>> > that.
>> >
>> > Sean
>> > Libert? #499
>> > San Francisco
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:35:34 -0400
>> > From: Fred LEcuyer <fred.lecuyer at live.com>
>> > To: Catalina320list Catalina320list <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>> > Message-ID: <SNT113-W37399B1320F4AABC876DDE98A0 at phx.gbl>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> >
>> > Sean:
>> >
>> > Our biggest improvement seemed to come when I re-tefloned the fittings 
>> > to
>> > the tank and removed the tank to scrub underneath.
>> >
>> > Someone further down the E-mail chain suggest that backpressure from
>> > accidently hitting the macerator switch may have caused leakage at the
>> > fittings. That makes sense to me and it's nearly impossible to tell
>> what's
>> > under the tank until you pull it.
>> >
>> > Fred
>> >
>> > > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700
>> > > From: spkaldor at yahoo.com
>> > > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>> > >
>> > > We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
>> > >
>> > > Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
>> > compartment
>> > > under the sink upon purchase.
>> > >
>> > > Took the following action:
>> > >
>> > > (1) Replaced the entire head;
>> > > (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) 
>> > > as
>> > well as
>> > > sink drain hose;
>> > > (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
>> > > (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
>> > > (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and compartment
>> > repeatedly
>> > > with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
>> > > (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
>> > > (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no
>> solid
>> > waste;
>> > > (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
>> > >
>> > > Four months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
>> > >
>> > > The only other steps I can think of would be:
>> > > (1) Replace the holding tank;
>> > > (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
>> > > (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor
>> remover;
>> > >
>> > > But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this 
>> > > point,
>> we
>> > don't
>> > > store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any
>> > further than
>> > > that.
>> > >
>> > > Sean
>> > > Libert? #499
>> > > San Francisco
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 3
>> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:00:00 -0400
>> > From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> > To: C320-List <C320-list at catalina320.org>
>> > Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> > Message-ID:
>> > <AANLkTimr4vwxdBEF6CBXT1omhq6ftVM0Wn9GQGGNRjt- at mail.gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> >
>> > Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>> > Irv grunes
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 4
>> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:10:55 -0700 (PDT)
>> > From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > Subject: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>> > Message-ID: <268590.93779.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> >
>> > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
>> > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems
>> cited,
>> > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In 
>> > the
>> > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
>> > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box). 
>> > I
>> do
>> > have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to 
>> > address
>> > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think
>> fortunately
>> > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>> >
>> > On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake
>> Michigan
>> > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
>> > cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten 
>> > from
>> > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year
>> old
>> > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and 
>> > assorted
>> > pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
>> > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some of
>> the
>> > water remained, as always, under the liner.
>> >
>> > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two 
>> > nights
>> > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
>> > smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
>> > thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin lights
>> > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming 
>> > from
>> > behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
>> > Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
>> > insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto and
>> > burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through
>> conduit
>> > from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the
>> marina
>> > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and 
>> > started
>> > the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I 
>> > could
>> > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the
>> liner.
>> > I am thinking
>> > that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from 
>> > spreading.
>> > Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was 
>> > ok.
>> >
>> > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
>> > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would
>> alleviate
>> > some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
>> > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge went
>> thru
>> > the negative side seeking ground.
>> >
>> > This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the 
>> > wiring
>> > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel
>> etc.
>> > In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
>> > fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I 
>> > will
>> > immediately remove the shore power cord.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 5
>> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 00:43:47 +0000 (UTC)
>> > From: hcreech at comcast.net
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> > Message-ID:
>> > <
>> >
>> 1793164456.820936.1283301827848.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
>> > >
>> >
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> >
>> > Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That 
>> > is
>> > where I bought mine.
>> >
>> >
>> > Herb Creech
>> > Cloud Chaser #606
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> > To: "C320-List" <C320-list at catalina320.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:00:00 PM
>> > Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> >
>> > Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>> > Irv grunes
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 6
>> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:49:07 -0400
>> > From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> > Message-ID:
>> > <AANLkTikz4Ju1H9wbYo_YRyW7nXMHHVxa0LysYLmnj73w at mail.gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> >
>> > Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
>> > Irv
>> > #851
>> >
>> > On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
>> > Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That 
>> > is
>> > where I bought mine.
>> >
>> >
>> > Herb Creech
>> > Cloud Chaser #606
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> > To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 7
>> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 01:55:14 +0000 (UTC)
>> > From: hcreech at comcast.net
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> > Message-ID:
>> > <
>> >
>> 405149512.824953.1283306114833.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
>> > >
>> >
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> >
>> > That was what I was talking about, read it right the first time.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Herb
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49:07 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> >
>> > Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
>> > Irv
>> > #851
>> >
>> > On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
>> > Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That 
>> > is
>> > where I bought mine.
>> >
>> >
>> > Herb Creech
>> > Cloud Chaser #606
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> > To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 8
>> > Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:29:26 -0400
>> > From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> > Message-ID: <4C7E3916.8040401 at thompson87.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>> >
>> > These are manufactured by SSI Custom Plastics in Hollywood, Maryland.
>> > They were very helpful when I called them to get a replacement a few
>> > years back.
>> >
>> > See http://www.ssicustomplastics.com/
>> >
>> > --
>> > Scott Thompson
>> > Surprise, #653
>> >
>> >
>> > Irving Grunes wrote:
>> > > Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>> > > Irv grunes
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 9
>> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:47:10 -0400
>> > From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> > Message-ID: <C517D7D0-582E-400F-85B0-7F144AED46EA at comcast.net>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>> >
>> > All:
>> >
>> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>> > (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>> > in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>> > and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>> > next to them after the storm passed.
>> >
>> > Bob Seastream
>> > Intuition # 906
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 10
>> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:00:15 +0000
>> > From: ericstillwellevans at gmail.com
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> > Message-ID:
>> >
>> >
>> <1158712043-1283342415-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-275800562- at bda2817.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
>> > >
>> >
>> > Content-Type: text/plain
>> >
>> > I used to feel the same way until a Squall traveling 40mph with 85mph
>> winds
>> > lasting only 10min dragged my boat and others and caused damage.
>> >
>> > I would think with the storm surge related to hurricanes a mooring may 
>> > be
>> > fine but I would extend your mooring lines.
>> >
>> > Rick
>> > 724
>> > ------Original Message------
>> > From: Robert Seastream
>> > Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> > Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>> >
>> > All:
>> >
>> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>> > (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>> > in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>> > and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>> > next to them after the storm passed.
>> >
>> > Bob Seastream
>> > Intuition # 906
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 11
>> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 05:01:55 -0700 (PDT)
>> > From: jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> > Message-ID: <732454.82453.qm at web58604.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>> >
>> > BoatUS has a whole section on hurricane preparation from the safest 
>> > place
>> > to be to what kind of lines-not nylon- to use to what chafing gear is
>> best
>> > etc Very helpful
>> >
>> > --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> > Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 7:47 AM
>> >
>> > All:
>> >
>> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit 
>> > (doubtful
>> > the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:? in a slip, 
>> > on
>> a
>> > mooring, or out of the water?
>> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>> and
>> > hit the boat.? On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next 
>> > to
>> > them after the storm passed.
>> >
>> > Bob Seastream
>> > Intuition # 906
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 12
>> > Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 08:04:23 -0400
>> > From: "=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?="
>> > <argates2nd at comcast.net>
>> > To: "=?utf-8?B?Um9iZXJ0IFNlYXN0cmVhbQ==?="
>> > <robert.seastream at comcast.net>, C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> > Message-ID: <20100901120417.B6650448230 at homiemail-mx2.g.dreamhost.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> >
>> > Ins req'ts?
>> >
>> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>> >
>> > ----- Reply message -----
>> > From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> > Date: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 7:47 am
>> > Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> >
>> > All:
>> >
>> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit 
>> > (doubtful
>> > the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip, 
>> > on
>> a
>> > mooring, or out of the water?
>> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>> and
>> > hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next to
>> > them after the storm passed.
>> >
>> > Bob Seastream
>> > Intuition # 906
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 13
>> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:37:18 -0400
>> > From: "Kurt Budelmann" <krbmd77 at charter.net>
>> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> > Message-ID: <F14A55A0B8894971891B266CC66DAA25 at lchcs.org>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> > reply-type=response
>> >
>> > Seaworthy, the Boat US magazine showed that the best preparation was on
>> > land
>> > with jackstands and guide wires preventing the boat from moving. I 
>> > think
>> > they had 4 to 6 guide wires anchored in the ground around the boat. 
>> > Also,
>> > their insurance will offset the cost.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:47 AM
>> > Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> >
>> >
>> > > All:
>> > >
>> > > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>> > (doubtful
>> > > the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip,
>> > on
>> > > a mooring, or out of the water?
>> > > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly 
>> > > about
>> > > and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>> > next
>> > > to them after the storm passed.
>> > >
>> > > Bob Seastream
>> > > Intuition # 906
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 14
>> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:38:56 +0000
>> > From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> > Message-ID:
>> >
>> >
>> <255742206-1283344729-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-419593409- at bda284.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
>> > >
>> >
>> > Content-Type: text/plain
>> >
>> > In our area Bob, land is the best option as yards around here are used 
>> > to
>> > blocking boats on stands for high winds. Maybe 100 mph winds would
>> require
>> > some staked lines or tied off on trees. I know my boat with cover has
>> done
>> > fine in 70mph on land. Ins companies will often pay for haulout if a
>> storm
>> > is imminent and damage is likely.
>> >
>> > I would say moorings next assuming the mooring block and tackle is 
>> > solid.
>> >
>> > Docks are the worst because the boat will get pounded a lot and can't
>> face
>> > the wind.
>> >
>> > Take your canvas down, center the boom and tie off the aft end to both
>> > stern cleats. Secure all loose lines and lead halyards where they won't
>> > chaffe on the spreaders.
>> >
>> > -Jeff
>> >
>> > ------Original Message------
>> > From: Robert Seastream
>> > Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> > Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>> >
>> > All:
>> >
>> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>> > (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>> > in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>> > and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>> > next to them after the storm passed.
>> >
>> > Bob Seastream
>> > Intuition # 906
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 15
>> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:07:45 -0500
>> > From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
>> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>> > Message-ID:
>> > <AANLkTimJm2YoBp05rCzKkLKsTonCSdZ4-GGBk+2m9=Gd at mail.gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> >
>> > Pat
>> > that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution is to fuse
>> the
>> > battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram with specs 
>> > that
>> > they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on new boats.
>> > Kit Carson
>> > #223
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since 
>> > > its'
>> > > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems
>> > cited,
>> > > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In
>> > the
>> > > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
>> > > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's 
>> > > box).
>> I
>> > do
>> > > have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to
>> address
>> > > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think
>> > fortunately
>> > > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>> > >
>> > > On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake
>> > Michigan
>> > > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
>> > > cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten
>> > from
>> > > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 
>> > > year
>> > old
>> > > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and
>> assorted
>> > > pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
>> > > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some 
>> > > of
>> > the
>> > > water remained, as always, under the liner.
>> > >
>> > > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two
>> > nights
>> > > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
>> > > smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power 
>> > > and
>> > > thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin 
>> > > lights
>> > > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming
>> from
>> > > behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
>> > > Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
>> > > insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto 
>> > > and
>> > > burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through
>> > conduit
>> > > from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the
>> > marina
>> > > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and
>> started
>> > > the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I
>> could
>> > > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the
>> > liner.
>> > > I am thinking
>> > > that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from
>> spreading.
>> > > Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was
>> > ok.
>> > >
>> > > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
>> > > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would
>> > alleviate
>> > > some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that 
>> > > the
>> > > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge 
>> > > went
>> > thru
>> > > the negative side seeking ground.
>> > >
>> > > This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the
>> wiring
>> > > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel
>> > etc.
>> > > In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
>> > > fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I
>> > will
>> > > immediately remove the shore power cord.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > Message: 16
>> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
>> > From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>> > Message-ID: <118319.86321.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>> >
>> > Thanks Kit I think that is what the electrician told me about the
>> > standards when he put the fuses on the wires at the batt switch. I know
>> > less about this field than I do computers so I forgot to ask him if 
>> > this
>> > affected the way the batteries are charged on shore power, ie both
>> charged
>> > no matter what position the switch is on.
>> >
>> > Pat
>> >
>> > --- On Wed, 9/1/10, chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
>> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>> > > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> > > Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:07 AM
>> > > Pat
>> > > that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution
>> > > is to fuse the
>> > > battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram
>> > > with specs that
>> > > they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on
>> > > new boats.
>> > > Kit Carson
>> > > #223
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this
>> > > site since its'
>> > > > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many
>> > > of the problems cited,
>> > > > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems,
>> > > corrosion etc.? In the
>> > > > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the
>> > > muffler and the
>> > > > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened
>> > > pandora's box).? I do
>> > > > have a water under the liner problem which I have been
>> > > meaning to address
>> > > > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater
>> > > only).? I think fortunately
>> > > > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>> > > >
>> > > > On a recent single handed return from a long distance
>> > > race on Lake Michigan
>> > > > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at? 3
>> > > am by the bilge pump
>> > > > cycling.? It seems that the year old replacement
>> > > muffler I had gotten from
>> > > > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse
>> > > than the 14 year old
>> > > > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the
>> > > bilges and assorted
>> > > > pockets.? Tired and grumbling since I was still
>> > > 100 miles from home, I
>> > > > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple
>> > > of hours.? Some of the
>> > > > water remained, as always, under the liner.
>> > > >
>> > > > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and
>> > > continued on.? Two nights
>> > > > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad
>> > > electrical storm, I
>> > > > smelled something burning.? I had a fan running
>> > > off the shore power and
>> > > > thought it had overheated but it was cool.? I
>> > > turned on the cabin lights
>> > > > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp
>> > > of smoke coming from
>> > > > behind the electrical panel.? It was heavier when
>> > > I opened the panel.
>> > > >? Opening the battery compartment I could see that
>> > > the charger wire
>> > > > insulation had burned completely off and these wires
>> > > had fused onto and
>> > > > burned the battery cables.? These wires run under
>> > > the liner through conduit
>> > > > from the starboard to the port side.? Apparently
>> > > a power surge at the marina
>> > > > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the
>> > > charger and started
>> > > > the electrical fire.? When they pulled the wiring
>> > > and conduit out I could
>> > > > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely
>> > > thru under the liner.
>> > > >? I am thinking
>> > > >? that maybe the water underneath had helped keep
>> > > the fire from spreading.
>> > > >? Except for all of the wiring, charger and
>> > > battery switch all else was ok.
>> > > >
>> > > > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires
>> > > directly to the
>> > > > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses.?
>> > > He said that would alleviate
>> > > > some of the wiring running underneath the liner.?
>> > > He also said that the
>> > > > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was
>> > > because the charge went thru
>> > > > the negative side seeking ground.
>> > > >
>> > > > This was just a long way of saying that we should be
>> > > aware of the wiring
>> > > > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine,
>> > > charger, panel etc.
>> > > >? In additon to being inaccessible it may also be
>> > > subject to chafe and
>> > > > fraying.???If I am ever on the boat
>> > > again during an electrical storm I will
>> > > > immediately remove the shore power cord.
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