[C320-list] eliminating odor
hcreech at comcast.net
hcreech at comcast.net
Thu Sep 2 05:05:51 PDT 2010
Jeff,
Never have had an odor from that locker either, maybe why I was confused. However we are one of the victims of the sticky gelcoat, all of our foul weather gear is in that locker and every piece has white stains. We also use the humidity control on our Cruise Air, the boat smells boaty, but not nasty.
Herb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 8:49:25 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
Herb,
On our boat, there's little or no smell in the head or under the sink. But the locker in the aft cabin seems to get it instead. I think that's what this thread was referring to.
Its probably not universal, but there is likely some common cause and cure for those who notice it. Maybe it's the clamps on the vent hose where they were difficult to reach.
-Jeff
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Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
Hey List, just an observation, but most of the hull numbers I have seen mentioning this problem have been newer boats. My boat, hull 606, is a 1999 model. Once I learned, from the list, to use fresh water instead of pumping bay water there has been no odors on my boat, you can ask my wife. As long as I take care of the bilge the boat smells like a boat, but no offensive odors. I am assuming the locker everyone is mentioning is beneath the head sink, if so no odors from there, in fact none from anywhere on the boat. We do pump out on a regular basis, but sometimes it sits, so I was a little surprised to hear this complaint. Maybe someone should tally the hull numbers and see, if like the shallow bilge problem, it is related to a certain vintage boat.
Sorry some are having this problem.
Herb Creech
Cloud Chaser #606
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Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 3:43:48 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
My goodness Sean, Fred and all the rest of us dealing with the odor issue. I
had no idea that it was almost universal. To think of the time and money
required just to get as little as 20% of the odor out and not even be able
to use your locker or the full potential of your head for that matter is
appalling. I think we should collectively take this up with Catalina
directly and have its experts solve the problem and possibly even contribute
to the remedy.
*Mike NagelkirkMikeNagelkirk*
True North #909
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> 1. Re: eliminating odor (Sean Kaldor)
> 2. Re: eliminating odor (Fred LEcuyer)
> 3. Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
> 4. muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
> 5. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
> 6. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
> 7. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
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> 13. Re: Hurricane Earl (Kurt Budelmann)
> 14. Re: Hurricane Earl (Jeff Hare)
> 15. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (chester carson)
> 16. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Sean Kaldor <spkaldor at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
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> We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
>
> Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
> compartment
> under the sink upon purchase.
>
> Took the following action:
>
> (1) Replaced the entire head;
> (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as well
> as
> sink drain hose;
> (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
> (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
> (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and
> compartment?repeatedly
> with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
> (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
> (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no solid
> waste;
> (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
>
> Four?months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
>
> The only other steps I can think of would be:
> (1) Replace the holding tank;
> (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
> (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor remover;
>
> But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point, we
> don't
> store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any further
> than
> that.
>
> Sean
> Libert? #499
> San Francisco
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:35:34 -0400
> From: Fred LEcuyer <fred.lecuyer at live.com>
> To: Catalina320list Catalina320list <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
> Message-ID: <SNT113-W37399B1320F4AABC876DDE98A0 at phx.gbl>
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>
> Sean:
>
> Our biggest improvement seemed to come when I re-tefloned the fittings to
> the tank and removed the tank to scrub underneath.
>
> Someone further down the E-mail chain suggest that backpressure from
> accidently hitting the macerator switch may have caused leakage at the
> fittings. That makes sense to me and it's nearly impossible to tell what's
> under the tank until you pull it.
>
> Fred
>
> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700
> > From: spkaldor at yahoo.com
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
> >
> > We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
> >
> > Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
> compartment
> > under the sink upon purchase.
> >
> > Took the following action:
> >
> > (1) Replaced the entire head;
> > (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as
> well as
> > sink drain hose;
> > (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
> > (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
> > (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and compartment
> repeatedly
> > with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
> > (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
> > (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no solid
> waste;
> > (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
> >
> > Four months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
> >
> > The only other steps I can think of would be:
> > (1) Replace the holding tank;
> > (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
> > (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor remover;
> >
> > But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point, we
> don't
> > store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any
> further than
> > that.
> >
> > Sean
> > Libert? #499
> > San Francisco
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:00:00 -0400
> From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List <C320-list at catalina320.org>
> Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
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> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
> Irv grunes
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:10:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
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> As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
> inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems cited,
> ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In the
> 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
> electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box). I do
> have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to address
> for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think fortunately
> however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>
> On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake Michigan
> (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
> cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten from
> Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year old
> one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and assorted
> pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
> removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some of the
> water remained, as always, under the liner.
>
> I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two nights
> later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
> smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
> thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin lights
> which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming from
> behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
> Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
> insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto and
> burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through conduit
> from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the marina
> had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and started
> the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I could
> see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the liner.
> I am thinking
> that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from spreading.
> Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was ok.
>
> The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
> battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would alleviate
> some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
> reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge went thru
> the negative side seeking ground.
>
> This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the wiring
> which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel etc.
> In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
> fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I will
> immediately remove the shore power cord.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 00:43:47 +0000 (UTC)
> From: hcreech at comcast.net
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
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> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That is
> where I bought mine.
>
>
> Herb Creech
> Cloud Chaser #606
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
> To: "C320-List" <C320-list at catalina320.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:00:00 PM
> Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>
> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
> Irv grunes
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:49:07 -0400
> From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
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> Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
> Irv
> #851
>
> On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That is
> where I bought mine.
>
>
> Herb Creech
> Cloud Chaser #606
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
> To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 01:55:14 +0000 (UTC)
> From: hcreech at comcast.net
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
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> That was what I was talking about, read it right the first time.
>
>
>
>
> Herb
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>
> Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
> Irv
> #851
>
> On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That is
> where I bought mine.
>
>
> Herb Creech
> Cloud Chaser #606
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
> To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:29:26 -0400
> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
> Message-ID: <4C7E3916.8040401 at thompson87.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> These are manufactured by SSI Custom Plastics in Hollywood, Maryland.
> They were very helpful when I called them to get a replacement a few
> years back.
>
> See http://www.ssicustomplastics.com/
>
> --
> Scott Thompson
> Surprise, #653
>
>
> Irving Grunes wrote:
> > Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
> > Irv grunes
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:47:10 -0400
> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
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> All:
>
> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
> next to them after the storm passed.
>
> Bob Seastream
> Intuition # 906
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:00:15 +0000
> From: ericstillwellevans at gmail.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> Message-ID:
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> I used to feel the same way until a Squall traveling 40mph with 85mph winds
> lasting only 10min dragged my boat and others and caused damage.
>
> I would think with the storm surge related to hurricanes a mooring may be
> fine but I would extend your mooring lines.
>
> Rick
> 724
> ------Original Message------
> From: Robert Seastream
> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>
> All:
>
> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
> next to them after the storm passed.
>
> Bob Seastream
> Intuition # 906
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 05:01:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> Message-ID: <732454.82453.qm at web58604.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
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> BoatUS has a whole section on hurricane preparation from the safest place
> to be to what kind of lines-not nylon- to use to what chafing gear is best
> etc Very helpful
>
> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 7:47 AM
>
> All:
>
> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit (doubtful
> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:? in a slip, on a
> mooring, or out of the water?
> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about and
> hit the boat.? On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next to
> them after the storm passed.
>
> Bob Seastream
> Intuition # 906
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 08:04:23 -0400
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> <argates2nd at comcast.net>
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> <robert.seastream at comcast.net>, C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
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> Ins req'ts?
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> Date: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 7:47 am
> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>
> All:
>
> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit (doubtful
> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip, on a
> mooring, or out of the water?
> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about and
> hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next to
> them after the storm passed.
>
> Bob Seastream
> Intuition # 906
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:37:18 -0400
> From: "Kurt Budelmann" <krbmd77 at charter.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> Message-ID: <F14A55A0B8894971891B266CC66DAA25 at lchcs.org>
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> reply-type=response
>
> Seaworthy, the Boat US magazine showed that the best preparation was on
> land
> with jackstands and guide wires preventing the boat from moving. I think
> they had 4 to 6 guide wires anchored in the ground around the boat. Also,
> their insurance will offset the cost.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:47 AM
> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>
>
> > All:
> >
> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
> (doubtful
> > the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip,
> on
> > a mooring, or out of the water?
> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
> > and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
> next
> > to them after the storm passed.
> >
> > Bob Seastream
> > Intuition # 906
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:38:56 +0000
> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> Message-ID:
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> In our area Bob, land is the best option as yards around here are used to
> blocking boats on stands for high winds. Maybe 100 mph winds would require
> some staked lines or tied off on trees. I know my boat with cover has done
> fine in 70mph on land. Ins companies will often pay for haulout if a storm
> is imminent and damage is likely.
>
> I would say moorings next assuming the mooring block and tackle is solid.
>
> Docks are the worst because the boat will get pounded a lot and can't face
> the wind.
>
> Take your canvas down, center the boom and tie off the aft end to both
> stern cleats. Secure all loose lines and lead halyards where they won't
> chaffe on the spreaders.
>
> -Jeff
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Robert Seastream
> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>
> All:
>
> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
> next to them after the storm passed.
>
> Bob Seastream
> Intuition # 906
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:07:45 -0500
> From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
> Message-ID:
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> Pat
> that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution is to fuse the
> battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram with specs that
> they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on new boats.
> Kit Carson
> #223
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
> > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems
> cited,
> > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In
> the
> > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
> > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box). I
> do
> > have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to address
> > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think
> fortunately
> > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
> >
> > On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake
> Michigan
> > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
> > cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten
> from
> > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year
> old
> > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and assorted
> > pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
> > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some of
> the
> > water remained, as always, under the liner.
> >
> > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two
> nights
> > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
> > smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
> > thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin lights
> > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming from
> > behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
> > Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
> > insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto and
> > burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through
> conduit
> > from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the
> marina
> > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and started
> > the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I could
> > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the
> liner.
> > I am thinking
> > that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from spreading.
> > Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was
> ok.
> >
> > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
> > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would
> alleviate
> > some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
> > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge went
> thru
> > the negative side seeking ground.
> >
> > This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the wiring
> > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel
> etc.
> > In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
> > fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I
> will
> > immediately remove the shore power cord.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
> Message-ID: <118319.86321.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Thanks Kit I think that is what the electrician told me about the
> standards when he put the fuses on the wires at the batt switch. I know
> less about this field than I do computers so I forgot to ask him if this
> affected the way the batteries are charged on shore power, ie both charged
> no matter what position the switch is on.
>
> Pat
>
> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> > Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:07 AM
> > Pat
> > that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution
> > is to fuse the
> > battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram
> > with specs that
> > they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on
> > new boats.
> > Kit Carson
> > #223
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this
> > site since its'
> > > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many
> > of the problems cited,
> > > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems,
> > corrosion etc.? In the
> > > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the
> > muffler and the
> > > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened
> > pandora's box).? I do
> > > have a water under the liner problem which I have been
> > meaning to address
> > > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater
> > only).? I think fortunately
> > > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
> > >
> > > On a recent single handed return from a long distance
> > race on Lake Michigan
> > > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at? 3
> > am by the bilge pump
> > > cycling.? It seems that the year old replacement
> > muffler I had gotten from
> > > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse
> > than the 14 year old
> > > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the
> > bilges and assorted
> > > pockets.? Tired and grumbling since I was still
> > 100 miles from home, I
> > > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple
> > of hours.? Some of the
> > > water remained, as always, under the liner.
> > >
> > > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and
> > continued on.? Two nights
> > > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad
> > electrical storm, I
> > > smelled something burning.? I had a fan running
> > off the shore power and
> > > thought it had overheated but it was cool.? I
> > turned on the cabin lights
> > > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp
> > of smoke coming from
> > > behind the electrical panel.? It was heavier when
> > I opened the panel.
> > >? Opening the battery compartment I could see that
> > the charger wire
> > > insulation had burned completely off and these wires
> > had fused onto and
> > > burned the battery cables.? These wires run under
> > the liner through conduit
> > > from the starboard to the port side.? Apparently
> > a power surge at the marina
> > > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the
> > charger and started
> > > the electrical fire.? When they pulled the wiring
> > and conduit out I could
> > > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely
> > thru under the liner.
> > >? I am thinking
> > >? that maybe the water underneath had helped keep
> > the fire from spreading.
> > >? Except for all of the wiring, charger and
> > battery switch all else was ok.
> > >
> > > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires
> > directly to the
> > > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses.?
> > He said that would alleviate
> > > some of the wiring running underneath the liner.?
> > He also said that the
> > > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was
> > because the charge went thru
> > > the negative side seeking ground.
> > >
> > > This was just a long way of saying that we should be
> > aware of the wiring
> > > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine,
> > charger, panel etc.
> > >? In additon to being inaccessible it may also be
> > subject to chafe and
> > > fraying.???If I am ever on the boat
> > again during an electrical storm I will
> > > immediately remove the shore power cord.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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