[C320-list] eliminating odor

Thu Sep 2 05:17:37 PDT 2010

Hi everyone,

I had the smell in locker in the aft cabin. I did resolve it by changing the
hose going from the toilet to the tank with one using the white material. It
was a black rubber hose before and after time, it become poorous to odor.
The white one doesn't smell over time but you have to use a compatible
antifreeze for winterization like the pink one used in RV.

Regards _/)

Steph _/)
Wedidit II - Hull 544

2010/9/2 <hcreech at comcast.net>

> Jeff,
> Never have had an odor from that locker either, maybe why I was confused.
> However we are one of the victims of the sticky gelcoat, all of our foul
> weather gear is in that locker and every piece has white stains. We also use
> the humidity control on our Cruise Air, the boat smells boaty, but not
> nasty.
>
>
> Herb
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 8:49:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>
>
> Herb,
>
> On our boat, there's little or no smell in the head or under the sink. But
> the locker in the aft cabin seems to get it instead. I think that's what
> this thread was referring to.
>
> Its probably not universal, but there is likely some common cause and cure
> for those who notice it. Maybe it's the clamps on the vent hose where they
> were difficult to reach.
>
> -Jeff
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hcreech at comcast.net
> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:11:18
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Reply-To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
>
> Hey List, just an observation, but most of the hull numbers I have seen
> mentioning this problem have been newer boats. My boat, hull 606, is a 1999
> model. Once I learned, from the list, to use fresh water instead of pumping
> bay water there has been no odors on my boat, you can ask my wife. As long
> as I take care of the bilge the boat smells like a boat, but no offensive
> odors. I am assuming the locker everyone is mentioning is beneath the head
> sink, if so no odors from there, in fact none from anywhere on the boat. We
> do pump out on a regular basis, but sometimes it sits, so I was a little
> surprised to hear this complaint. Maybe someone should tally the hull
> numbers and see, if like the shallow bilge problem, it is related to a
> certain vintage boat.
> Sorry some are having this problem.
>
>
>
> Herb Creech
> Cloud Chaser #606
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "michael nagelkirk" <mikenagelkirk at gmail.com>
> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 3:43:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
>
> My goodness Sean, Fred and all the rest of us dealing with the odor issue.
> I
> had no idea that it was almost universal. To think of the time and money
> required just to get as little as 20% of the odor out and not even be able
> to use your locker or the full potential of your head for that matter is
> appalling. I think we should collectively take this up with Catalina
> directly and have its experts solve the problem and possibly even
> contribute
> to the remedy.
>
> *Mike NagelkirkMikeNagelkirk*
> True North #909
>
>
>
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Re: eliminating odor (Sean Kaldor)
> > 2. Re: eliminating odor (Fred LEcuyer)
> > 3. Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
> > 4. muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
> > 5. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
> > 6. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
> > 7. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
> > 8. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Scott Thompson)
> > 9. Hurricane Earl (Robert Seastream)
> > 10. Re: Hurricane Earl (ericstillwellevans at gmail.com)
> > 11. Re: Hurricane Earl (jim brown)
> > 12. Re: Hurricane Earl (=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
> > 13. Re: Hurricane Earl (Kurt Budelmann)
> > 14. Re: Hurricane Earl (Jeff Hare)
> > 15. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (chester carson)
> > 16. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Sean Kaldor <spkaldor at yahoo.com>
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
> > Message-ID: <697913.24018.qm at web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
> >
> > Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
> > compartment
> > under the sink upon purchase.
> >
> > Took the following action:
> >
> > (1) Replaced the entire head;
> > (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as
> well
> > as
> > sink drain hose;
> > (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
> > (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
> > (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and
> > compartment?repeatedly
> > with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
> > (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
> > (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no solid
> > waste;
> > (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
> >
> > Four?months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
> >
> > The only other steps I can think of would be:
> > (1) Replace the holding tank;
> > (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
> > (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor remover;
> >
> > But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point, we
> > don't
> > store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any
> further
> > than
> > that.
> >
> > Sean
> > Libert? #499
> > San Francisco
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:35:34 -0400
> > From: Fred LEcuyer <fred.lecuyer at live.com>
> > To: Catalina320list Catalina320list <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
> > Message-ID: <SNT113-W37399B1320F4AABC876DDE98A0 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> > Sean:
> >
> > Our biggest improvement seemed to come when I re-tefloned the fittings to
> > the tank and removed the tank to scrub underneath.
> >
> > Someone further down the E-mail chain suggest that backpressure from
> > accidently hitting the macerator switch may have caused leakage at the
> > fittings. That makes sense to me and it's nearly impossible to tell
> what's
> > under the tank until you pull it.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700
> > > From: spkaldor at yahoo.com
> > > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
> > >
> > > We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
> > >
> > > Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
> > compartment
> > > under the sink upon purchase.
> > >
> > > Took the following action:
> > >
> > > (1) Replaced the entire head;
> > > (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as
> > well as
> > > sink drain hose;
> > > (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
> > > (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
> > > (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and compartment
> > repeatedly
> > > with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
> > > (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
> > > (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no
> solid
> > waste;
> > > (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
> > >
> > > Four months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
> > >
> > > The only other steps I can think of would be:
> > > (1) Replace the holding tank;
> > > (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
> > > (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor
> remover;
> > >
> > > But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point,
> we
> > don't
> > > store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any
> > further than
> > > that.
> > >
> > > Sean
> > > Libert? #499
> > > San Francisco
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:00:00 -0400
> > From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
> > To: C320-List <C320-list at catalina320.org>
> > Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
> > Message-ID:
> > <AANLkTimr4vwxdBEF6CBXT1omhq6ftVM0Wn9GQGGNRjt- at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
> > Irv grunes
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:10:55 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
> > Message-ID: <268590.93779.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
> > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems
> cited,
> > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In the
> > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
> > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box). I
> do
> > have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to address
> > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think
> fortunately
> > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
> >
> > On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake
> Michigan
> > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
> > cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten from
> > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year
> old
> > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and assorted
> > pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
> > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some of
> the
> > water remained, as always, under the liner.
> >
> > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two nights
> > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
> > smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
> > thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin lights
> > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming from
> > behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
> > Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
> > insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto and
> > burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through
> conduit
> > from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the
> marina
> > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and started
> > the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I could
> > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the
> liner.
> > I am thinking
> > that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from spreading.
> > Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was ok.
> >
> > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
> > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would
> alleviate
> > some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
> > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge went
> thru
> > the negative side seeking ground.
> >
> > This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the wiring
> > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel
> etc.
> > In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
> > fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I will
> > immediately remove the shore power cord.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 00:43:47 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: hcreech at comcast.net
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> >
> 1793164456.820936.1283301827848.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
> > >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That is
> > where I bought mine.
> >
> >
> > Herb Creech
> > Cloud Chaser #606
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
> > To: "C320-List" <C320-list at catalina320.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:00:00 PM
> > Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
> >
> > Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
> > Irv grunes
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:49:07 -0400
> > From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
> > Message-ID:
> > <AANLkTikz4Ju1H9wbYo_YRyW7nXMHHVxa0LysYLmnj73w at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
> > Irv
> > #851
> >
> > On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
> > Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That is
> > where I bought mine.
> >
> >
> > Herb Creech
> > Cloud Chaser #606
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
> > To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 01:55:14 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: hcreech at comcast.net
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> >
> 405149512.824953.1283306114833.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
> > >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > That was what I was talking about, read it right the first time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Herb
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
> >
> > Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
> > Irv
> > #851
> >
> > On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
> > Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That is
> > where I bought mine.
> >
> >
> > Herb Creech
> > Cloud Chaser #606
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
> > To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:29:26 -0400
> > From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
> > Message-ID: <4C7E3916.8040401 at thompson87.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > These are manufactured by SSI Custom Plastics in Hollywood, Maryland.
> > They were very helpful when I called them to get a replacement a few
> > years back.
> >
> > See http://www.ssicustomplastics.com/
> >
> > --
> > Scott Thompson
> > Surprise, #653
> >
> >
> > Irving Grunes wrote:
> > > Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
> > > Irv grunes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:47:10 -0400
> > From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> > Message-ID: <C517D7D0-582E-400F-85B0-7F144AED46EA at comcast.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
> >
> > All:
> >
> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
> > (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
> > in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
> > and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
> > next to them after the storm passed.
> >
> > Bob Seastream
> > Intuition # 906
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:00:15 +0000
> > From: ericstillwellevans at gmail.com
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> > Message-ID:
> >
> >
> <1158712043-1283342415-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-275800562- at bda2817.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
> > >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > I used to feel the same way until a Squall traveling 40mph with 85mph
> winds
> > lasting only 10min dragged my boat and others and caused damage.
> >
> > I would think with the storm surge related to hurricanes a mooring may be
> > fine but I would extend your mooring lines.
> >
> > Rick
> > 724
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Robert Seastream
> > Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> > Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
> >
> > All:
> >
> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
> > (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
> > in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
> > and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
> > next to them after the storm passed.
> >
> > Bob Seastream
> > Intuition # 906
> >
> >
> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 11
> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 05:01:55 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> > Message-ID: <732454.82453.qm at web58604.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > BoatUS has a whole section on hurricane preparation from the safest place
> > to be to what kind of lines-not nylon- to use to what chafing gear is
> best
> > etc Very helpful
> >
> > --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> > Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 7:47 AM
> >
> > All:
> >
> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit (doubtful
> > the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:? in a slip, on
> a
> > mooring, or out of the water?
> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
> and
> > hit the boat.? On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next to
> > them after the storm passed.
> >
> > Bob Seastream
> > Intuition # 906
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 12
> > Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 08:04:23 -0400
> > From: "=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?="
> > <argates2nd at comcast.net>
> > To: "=?utf-8?B?Um9iZXJ0IFNlYXN0cmVhbQ==?="
> > <robert.seastream at comcast.net>, C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> > Message-ID: <20100901120417.B6650448230 at homiemail-mx2.g.dreamhost.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > Ins req'ts?
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
> >
> > ----- Reply message -----
> > From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> > Date: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 7:47 am
> > Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> >
> > All:
> >
> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit (doubtful
> > the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip, on
> a
> > mooring, or out of the water?
> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
> and
> > hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next to
> > them after the storm passed.
> >
> > Bob Seastream
> > Intuition # 906
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 13
> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:37:18 -0400
> > From: "Kurt Budelmann" <krbmd77 at charter.net>
> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> > Message-ID: <F14A55A0B8894971891B266CC66DAA25 at lchcs.org>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=response
> >
> > Seaworthy, the Boat US magazine showed that the best preparation was on
> > land
> > with jackstands and guide wires preventing the boat from moving. I think
> > they had 4 to 6 guide wires anchored in the ground around the boat. Also,
> > their insurance will offset the cost.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:47 AM
> > Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> >
> >
> > > All:
> > >
> > > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
> > (doubtful
> > > the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip,
> > on
> > > a mooring, or out of the water?
> > > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
> > > and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
> > next
> > > to them after the storm passed.
> > >
> > > Bob Seastream
> > > Intuition # 906
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 14
> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:38:56 +0000
> > From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
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> > In our area Bob, land is the best option as yards around here are used to
> > blocking boats on stands for high winds. Maybe 100 mph winds would
> require
> > some staked lines or tied off on trees. I know my boat with cover has
> done
> > fine in 70mph on land. Ins companies will often pay for haulout if a
> storm
> > is imminent and damage is likely.
> >
> > I would say moorings next assuming the mooring block and tackle is solid.
> >
> > Docks are the worst because the boat will get pounded a lot and can't
> face
> > the wind.
> >
> > Take your canvas down, center the boom and tie off the aft end to both
> > stern cleats. Secure all loose lines and lead halyards where they won't
> > chaffe on the spreaders.
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Robert Seastream
> > Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> > Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
> >
> > All:
> >
> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
> > (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
> > in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
> > and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
> > next to them after the storm passed.
> >
> > Bob Seastream
> > Intuition # 906
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 15
> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:07:45 -0500
> > From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
> > Message-ID:
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> > Pat
> > that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution is to fuse
> the
> > battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram with specs that
> > they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on new boats.
> > Kit Carson
> > #223
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
> > > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems
> > cited,
> > > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In
> > the
> > > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
> > > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box).
> I
> > do
> > > have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to
> address
> > > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think
> > fortunately
> > > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
> > >
> > > On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake
> > Michigan
> > > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
> > > cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten
> > from
> > > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year
> > old
> > > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and
> assorted
> > > pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
> > > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some of
> > the
> > > water remained, as always, under the liner.
> > >
> > > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two
> > nights
> > > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
> > > smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
> > > thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin lights
> > > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming
> from
> > > behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
> > > Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
> > > insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto and
> > > burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through
> > conduit
> > > from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the
> > marina
> > > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and
> started
> > > the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I
> could
> > > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the
> > liner.
> > > I am thinking
> > > that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from
> spreading.
> > > Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was
> > ok.
> > >
> > > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
> > > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would
> > alleviate
> > > some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
> > > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge went
> > thru
> > > the negative side seeking ground.
> > >
> > > This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the
> wiring
> > > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel
> > etc.
> > > In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
> > > fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I
> > will
> > > immediately remove the shore power cord.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 16
> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
> > Message-ID: <118319.86321.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> >
> > Thanks Kit I think that is what the electrician told me about the
> > standards when he put the fuses on the wires at the batt switch. I know
> > less about this field than I do computers so I forgot to ask him if this
> > affected the way the batteries are charged on shore power, ie both
> charged
> > no matter what position the switch is on.
> >
> > Pat
> >
> > --- On Wed, 9/1/10, chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
> > > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:07 AM
> > > Pat
> > > that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution
> > > is to fuse the
> > > battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram
> > > with specs that
> > > they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on
> > > new boats.
> > > Kit Carson
> > > #223
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this
> > > site since its'
> > > > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many
> > > of the problems cited,
> > > > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems,
> > > corrosion etc.? In the
> > > > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the
> > > muffler and the
> > > > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened
> > > pandora's box).? I do
> > > > have a water under the liner problem which I have been
> > > meaning to address
> > > > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater
> > > only).? I think fortunately
> > > > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
> > > >
> > > > On a recent single handed return from a long distance
> > > race on Lake Michigan
> > > > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at? 3
> > > am by the bilge pump
> > > > cycling.? It seems that the year old replacement
> > > muffler I had gotten from
> > > > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse
> > > than the 14 year old
> > > > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the
> > > bilges and assorted
> > > > pockets.? Tired and grumbling since I was still
> > > 100 miles from home, I
> > > > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple
> > > of hours.? Some of the
> > > > water remained, as always, under the liner.
> > > >
> > > > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and
> > > continued on.? Two nights
> > > > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad
> > > electrical storm, I
> > > > smelled something burning.? I had a fan running
> > > off the shore power and
> > > > thought it had overheated but it was cool.? I
> > > turned on the cabin lights
> > > > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp
> > > of smoke coming from
> > > > behind the electrical panel.? It was heavier when
> > > I opened the panel.
> > > >? Opening the battery compartment I could see that
> > > the charger wire
> > > > insulation had burned completely off and these wires
> > > had fused onto and
> > > > burned the battery cables.? These wires run under
> > > the liner through conduit
> > > > from the starboard to the port side.? Apparently
> > > a power surge at the marina
> > > > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the
> > > charger and started
> > > > the electrical fire.? When they pulled the wiring
> > > and conduit out I could
> > > > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely
> > > thru under the liner.
> > > >? I am thinking
> > > >? that maybe the water underneath had helped keep
> > > the fire from spreading.
> > > >? Except for all of the wiring, charger and
> > > battery switch all else was ok.
> > > >
> > > > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires
> > > directly to the
> > > > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses.?
> > > He said that would alleviate
> > > > some of the wiring running underneath the liner.?
> > > He also said that the
> > > > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was
> > > because the charge went thru
> > > > the negative side seeking ground.
> > > >
> > > > This was just a long way of saying that we should be
> > > aware of the wiring
> > > > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine,
> > > charger, panel etc.
> > > >? In additon to being inaccessible it may also be
> > > subject to chafe and
> > > > fraying.???If I am ever on the boat
> > > again during an electrical storm I will
> > > > immediately remove the shore power cord.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > End of C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
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