[C320-list] Dinghy Davits

[Pat Kenefick]

Lamar - thank you for Garhaur suggestion; did you get the 1" or 1 1/4 " 
tubing ? What size dinghy and motor do you have ? I assume from your comment 
that you purchased directly from Garhaur ? Ease of installation ?
Thanks
Pat Kenefick
Hull #833
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> Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 10:39:57 -0400
> From: "Lamar Desmond" <ldesmond at comcast.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dinghy Davits
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> We installed the Garhauer davits and loved them;  kept our outboard on the
> dink all of the time.  At the time we were sailing on Chesapeake Bay so no
> issue with big seas.  Going outside I'd put the outboard on the rail and
> consider bring the dink onto the fore deck.
>
> The davits are very easy to install and the people at Garhauer are great 
> to
> work with.
>
> L Desmond
>
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> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Pat Kenefick
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 10:25 AM
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>
> I would like to install davits and I am looking for suggestions of what
> commercial brands you folks who have installed them would recommend; I 
> would
>
> like to have a set that I can safely leave a 6 HP engine on the dinghy. I
> plan to cruise South this winter from NC; 90% will be the ICW, however,
> around Florida I will do some outside sailing.
> Thanks
> Pat Kenefick
> # 833
> Bath, NC
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>>   1. Re: C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1 (Scott Thompson)
>>   2. Re: eliminating odor (hcreech at comcast.net)
>>   3. Re: eliminating odor (Stephane Rousseau _/))
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 07:53:29 -0400
>> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
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>> Ditto on my 1999 boat, and we even use Chesapeake Bay water to flush
>> most of the time.  (I usually do a last flush with fresh before leaving
>> the boat, however.)  I do not recall it to be an issue on older 320s
>> when we went shopping in 2003.
>>
>> Scott Thompson
>> Surprise, 653
>>
>> hcreech at comcast.net wrote:
>>> Hey List, just an observation, but most of the hull numbers I have seen
>>> mentioning this problem have been newer boats. My boat, hull 606, is a
>>> 1999 model. Once I learned, from the list, to use fresh water instead of
>>> pumping bay water there has been no odors on my boat, you can ask my
>>> wife. As long as I take care of the bilge the boat smells like a boat,
>>> but no offensive odors. I am assuming the locker everyone is mentioning
>>> is beneath the head sink, if so no odors from there, in fact none from
>>> anywhere on the boat. We do pump out on a regular basis, but sometimes 
>>> it
>
>>> sits, so I was a little surprised to hear this complaint. Maybe someone
>>> should tally the hull numbers and see, if like the shallow bilge 
>>> problem,
>
>>> it is related to a certain vintage boat.
>>> Sorry some are having this problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Herb Creech
>>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "michael nagelkirk" <mikenagelkirk at gmail.com>
>>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 3:43:48 PM
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>>> My goodness Sean, Fred and all the rest of us dealing with the odor
>>> issue. I
>>> had no idea that it was almost universal. To think of the time and money
>>> required just to get as little as 20% of the odor out and not even be
>>> able
>>> to use your locker or the full potential of your head for that matter is
>>> appalling. I think we should collectively take this up with Catalina
>>> directly and have its experts solve the problem and possibly even
>>> contribute
>>> to the remedy.
>>>
>>> *Mike NagelkirkMikeNagelkirk*
>>> True North #909
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:00 PM,
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>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Re: eliminating odor (Sean Kaldor)
>>>> 2. Re: eliminating odor (Fred LEcuyer)
>>>> 3. Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
>>>> 4. muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
>>>> 5. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
>>>> 6. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
>>>> 7. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
>>>> 8. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Scott Thompson)
>>>> 9. Hurricane Earl (Robert Seastream)
>>>> 10. Re: Hurricane Earl (ericstillwellevans at gmail.com)
>>>> 11. Re: Hurricane Earl (jim brown)
>>>> 12. Re: Hurricane Earl (=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
>>>> 13. Re: Hurricane Earl (Kurt Budelmann)
>>>> 14. Re: Hurricane Earl (Jeff Hare)
>>>> 15. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (chester carson)
>>>> 16. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> From: Sean Kaldor <spkaldor at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
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>>>> We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
>>>>
>>>> Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
>>>> compartment
>>>> under the sink upon purchase.
>>>>
>>>> Took the following action:
>>>>
>>>> (1) Replaced the entire head;
>>>> (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as
>>>> well
>>>> as
>>>> sink drain hose;
>>>> (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
>>>> (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
>>>> (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and
>>>> compartment?repeatedly
>>>> with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
>>>> (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
>>>> (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no
>>>> solid
>>>> waste;
>>>> (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
>>>>
>>>> Four?months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
>>>>
>>>> The only other steps I can think of would be:
>>>> (1) Replace the holding tank;
>>>> (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
>>>> (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor
>>>> remover;
>>>>
>>>> But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point,
>>>> we
>>>> don't
>>>> store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any
>>>> further
>>>> than
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> Sean
>>>> Libert? #499
>>>> San Francisco
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:35:34 -0400
>>>> From: Fred LEcuyer <fred.lecuyer at live.com>
>>>> To: Catalina320list Catalina320list <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>>>> Message-ID: <SNT113-W37399B1320F4AABC876DDE98A0 at phx.gbl>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sean:
>>>>
>>>> Our biggest improvement seemed to come when I re-tefloned the fittings
>>>> to
>>>> the tank and removed the tank to scrub underneath.
>>>>
>>>> Someone further down the E-mail chain suggest that backpressure from
>>>> accidently hitting the macerator switch may have caused leakage at the
>>>> fittings. That makes sense to me and it's nearly impossible to tell
>>>> what's
>>>> under the tank until you pull it.
>>>>
>>>> Fred
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700
>>>>> From: spkaldor at yahoo.com
>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>>>>>
>>>>> We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
>>>>>
>>>>> Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
>>>> compartment
>>>>> under the sink upon purchase.
>>>>>
>>>>> Took the following action:
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) Replaced the entire head;
>>>>> (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as
>>>> well as
>>>>> sink drain hose;
>>>>> (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
>>>>> (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
>>>>> (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and compartment
>>>> repeatedly
>>>>> with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
>>>>> (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
>>>>> (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no
>>>>> solid
>>>> waste;
>>>>> (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
>>>>>
>>>>> Four months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only other steps I can think of would be:
>>>>> (1) Replace the holding tank;
>>>>> (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
>>>>> (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor
>>>>> remover;
>>>>>
>>>>> But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point,
>>>>> we
>>>> don't
>>>>> store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any
>>>> further than
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sean
>>>>> Libert? #499
>>>>> San Francisco
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:00:00 -0400
>>>> From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>>> To: C320-List <C320-list at catalina320.org>
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <AANLkTimr4vwxdBEF6CBXT1omhq6ftVM0Wn9GQGGNRjt- at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>
>>>> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>>>> Irv grunes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:10:55 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>>>> Message-ID: <268590.93779.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>>>>
>>>> As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
>>>> inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems
>>>> cited,
>>>> ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In
>>>> the
>>>> 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
>>>> electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box). 
>>>> I
>
>>>> do
>>>> have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to
>>>> address
>>>> for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think
>>>> fortunately
>>>> however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>>>>
>>>> On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake
>>>> Michigan
>>>> (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
>>>> cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten
>>>> from
>>>> Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year
>>>> old
>>>> one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and 
>>>> assorted
>>>> pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
>>>> removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some of
>>>> the
>>>> water remained, as always, under the liner.
>>>>
>>>> I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two
>>>> nights
>>>> later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
>>>> smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
>>>> thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin lights
>>>> which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming
>>>> from
>>>> behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
>>>> Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
>>>> insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto and
>>>> burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through
>>>> conduit
>>>> from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the
>>>> marina
>>>> had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and
>>>> started
>>>> the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I 
>>>> could
>>>> see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the
>>>> liner.
>>>> I am thinking
>>>> that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from 
>>>> spreading.
>>>> Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was
>>>> ok.
>>>>
>>>> The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
>>>> battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would
>>>> alleviate
>>>> some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
>>>> reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge went
>>>> thru
>>>> the negative side seeking ground.
>>>>
>>>> This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the 
>>>> wiring
>>>> which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel
>>>> etc.
>>>> In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
>>>> fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I
>>>> will
>>>> immediately remove the shore power cord.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 00:43:47 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> From: hcreech at comcast.net
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <
>>>>
> 1793164456.820936.1283301827848.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.co
> mcast.net
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That
>>>> is
>>>> where I bought mine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Herb Creech
>>>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "C320-List" <C320-list at catalina320.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:00:00 PM
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>>>
>>>> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>>>> Irv grunes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:49:07 -0400
>>>> From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <AANLkTikz4Ju1H9wbYo_YRyW7nXMHHVxa0LysYLmnj73w at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
>>>> Irv
>>>> #851
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That
>>>> is
>>>> where I bought mine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Herb Creech
>>>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>> Message: 7
>>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 01:55:14 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> From: hcreech at comcast.net
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <
>>>>
> 405149512.824953.1283306114833.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.com
> cast.net
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> That was what I was talking about, read it right the first time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Herb
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49:07 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
>>>> Irv
>>>> #851
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That
>>>> is
>>>> where I bought mine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Herb Creech
>>>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>> Message: 8
>>>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:29:26 -0400
>>>> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>>> Message-ID: <4C7E3916.8040401 at thompson87.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>> These are manufactured by SSI Custom Plastics in Hollywood, Maryland.
>>>> They were very helpful when I called them to get a replacement a few
>>>> years back.
>>>>
>>>> See http://www.ssicustomplastics.com/
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Scott Thompson
>>>> Surprise, #653
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Irving Grunes wrote:
>>>>> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>>>>> Irv grunes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>> Message: 9
>>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:47:10 -0400
>>>> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>>> Message-ID: <C517D7D0-582E-400F-85B0-7F144AED46EA at comcast.net>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>>>
>>>> All:
>>>>
>>>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>>> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>>>> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>>>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>>>> next to them after the storm passed.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Seastream
>>>> Intuition # 906
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>> Message: 10
>>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:00:15 +0000
>>>> From: ericstillwellevans at gmail.com
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> I used to feel the same way until a Squall traveling 40mph with 85mph
>>>> winds
>>>> lasting only 10min dragged my boat and others and caused damage.
>>>>
>>>> I would think with the storm surge related to hurricanes a mooring may
>>>> be
>>>> fine but I would extend your mooring lines.
>>>>
>>>> Rick
>>>> 724
>>>> ------Original Message------ 
>>>> From: Robert Seastream
>>>> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>>> Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>>>>
>>>> All:
>>>>
>>>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>>> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>>>> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>>>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>>>> next to them after the storm passed.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Seastream
>>>> Intuition # 906
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>> Message: 11
>>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 05:01:55 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> From: jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>>> Message-ID: <732454.82453.qm at web58604.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>>
>>>> BoatUS has a whole section on hurricane preparation from the safest
>>>> place
>>>> to be to what kind of lines-not nylon- to use to what chafing gear is
>>>> best
>>>> etc Very helpful
>>>>
>>>> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 7:47 AM
>>>>
>>>> All:
>>>>
>>>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>>> (doubtful
>>>> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:? in a slip,
>>>> on a
>>>> mooring, or out of the water?
>>>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>>> and
>>>> hit the boat.? On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next 
>>>> to
>>>> them after the storm passed.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Seastream
>>>> Intuition # 906
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>> Message: 12
>>>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 08:04:23 -0400
>>>> From: "=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?="
>>>> <argates2nd at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "=?utf-8?B?Um9iZXJ0IFNlYXN0cmVhbQ==?="
>>>> <robert.seastream at comcast.net>, C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>>> Message-ID: <20100901120417.B6650448230 at homiemail-mx2.g.dreamhost.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> Ins req'ts?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>>>>
>>>> ----- Reply message ----- 
>>>> From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>>> Date: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 7:47 am
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>>
>>>> All:
>>>>
>>>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>>> (doubtful
>>>> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip, 
>>>> on
>
>>>> a
>>>> mooring, or out of the water?
>>>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>>> and
>>>> hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next to
>>>> them after the storm passed.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Seastream
>>>> Intuition # 906
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>> Message: 13
>>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:37:18 -0400
>>>> From: "Kurt Budelmann" <krbmd77 at charter.net>
>>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>>> Message-ID: <F14A55A0B8894971891B266CC66DAA25 at lchcs.org>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>>> reply-type=response
>>>>
>>>> Seaworthy, the Boat US magazine showed that the best preparation was on
>>>> land
>>>> with jackstands and guide wires preventing the boat from moving. I 
>>>> think
>>>> they had 4 to 6 guide wires anchored in the ground around the boat.
>>>> Also,
>>>> their insurance will offset the cost.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:47 AM
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> All:
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>>> (doubtful
>>>>> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip,
>>>> on
>>>>> a mooring, or out of the water?
>>>>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>>>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>>>> next
>>>>> to them after the storm passed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Seastream
>>>>> Intuition # 906
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>> Message: 14
>>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:38:56 +0000
>>>> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>
>>>>
> <255742206-1283344729-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-419593409- at bd
> a284.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>>>
>>>> In our area Bob, land is the best option as yards around here are used
>>>> to
>>>> blocking boats on stands for high winds. Maybe 100 mph winds would
>>>> require
>>>> some staked lines or tied off on trees. I know my boat with cover has
>>>> done
>>>> fine in 70mph on land. Ins companies will often pay for haulout if a
>>>> storm
>>>> is imminent and damage is likely.
>>>>
>>>> I would say moorings next assuming the mooring block and tackle is
>>>> solid.
>>>>
>>>> Docks are the worst because the boat will get pounded a lot and can't
>>>> face
>>>> the wind.
>>>>
>>>> Take your canvas down, center the boom and tie off the aft end to both
>>>> stern cleats. Secure all loose lines and lead halyards where they won't
>>>> chaffe on the spreaders.
>>>>
>>>> -Jeff
>>>>
>>>> ------Original Message------ 
>>>> From: Robert Seastream
>>>> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>>> Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>>>>
>>>> All:
>>>>
>>>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>>> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>>>> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>>>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>>>> next to them after the storm passed.
>>>>
>>>> Bob Seastream
>>>> Intuition # 906
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>> Message: 15
>>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:07:45 -0500
>>>> From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <AANLkTimJm2YoBp05rCzKkLKsTonCSdZ4-GGBk+2m9=Gd at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>> that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution is to fuse
>>>> the
>>>> battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram with specs
>>>> that
>>>> they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on new boats.
>>>> Kit Carson
>>>> #223
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
>>>>> inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems
>>>> cited,
>>>>> ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In
>>>> the
>>>>> 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
>>>>> electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box).
>>>>> I
>>>> do
>>>>> have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to
>>>>> address
>>>>> for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think
>>>> fortunately
>>>>> however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>>>>>
>>>>> On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake
>>>> Michigan
>>>>> (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
>>>>> cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten
>>>> from
>>>>> Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year
>>>> old
>>>>> one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and
>>>>> assorted
>>>>> pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
>>>>> removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some 
>>>>> of
>>>> the
>>>>> water remained, as always, under the liner.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two
>>>> nights
>>>>> later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
>>>>> smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
>>>>> thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin 
>>>>> lights
>>>>> which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming
>>>>> from
>>>>> behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
>>>>> Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
>>>>> insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto 
>>>>> and
>>>>> burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through
>>>> conduit
>>>>> from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the
>>>> marina
>>>>> had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and
>>>>> started
>>>>> the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I
>>>>> could
>>>>> see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the
>>>> liner.
>>>>> I am thinking
>>>>> that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from
>>>>> spreading.
>>>>> Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was
>>>> ok.
>>>>> The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
>>>>> battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would
>>>> alleviate
>>>>> some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
>>>>> reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge 
>>>>> went
>>>> thru
>>>>> the negative side seeking ground.
>>>>>
>>>>> This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the
>>>>> wiring
>>>>> which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel
>>>> etc.
>>>>> In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
>>>>> fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I
>>>> will
>>>>> immediately remove the shore power cord.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>>
>>>> Message: 16
>>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>>>> Message-ID: <118319.86321.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Kit I think that is what the electrician told me about the
>>>> standards when he put the fuses on the wires at the batt switch. I know
>>>> less about this field than I do computers so I forgot to ask him if 
>>>> this
>>>> affected the way the batteries are charged on shore power, ie both
>>>> charged
>>>> no matter what position the switch is on.
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>>
>>>> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>>> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:07 AM
>>>>> Pat
>>>>> that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution
>>>>> is to fuse the
>>>>> battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram
>>>>> with specs that
>>>>> they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on
>>>>> new boats.
>>>>> Kit Carson
>>>>> #223
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this
>>>>> site since its'
>>>>>> inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many
>>>>> of the problems cited,
>>>>>> ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems,
>>>>> corrosion etc.? In the
>>>>>> 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the
>>>>> muffler and the
>>>>>> electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened
>>>>> pandora's box).? I do
>>>>>> have a water under the liner problem which I have been
>>>>> meaning to address
>>>>>> for several of those 15 years (again freshwater
>>>>> only).? I think fortunately
>>>>>> however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On a recent single handed return from a long distance
>>>>> race on Lake Michigan
>>>>>> (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at? 3
>>>>> am by the bilge pump
>>>>>> cycling.? It seems that the year old replacement
>>>>> muffler I had gotten from
>>>>>> Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse
>>>>> than the 14 year old
>>>>>> one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the
>>>>> bilges and assorted
>>>>>> pockets.? Tired and grumbling since I was still
>>>>> 100 miles from home, I
>>>>>> removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple
>>>>> of hours.? Some of the
>>>>>> water remained, as always, under the liner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and
>>>>> continued on.? Two nights
>>>>>> later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad
>>>>> electrical storm, I
>>>>>> smelled something burning.? I had a fan running
>>>>> off the shore power and
>>>>>> thought it had overheated but it was cool.? I
>>>>> turned on the cabin lights
>>>>>> which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp
>>>>> of smoke coming from
>>>>>> behind the electrical panel.? It was heavier when
>>>>> I opened the panel.
>>>>>> ? Opening the battery compartment I could see that
>>>>> the charger wire
>>>>>> insulation had burned completely off and these wires
>>>>> had fused onto and
>>>>>> burned the battery cables.? These wires run under
>>>>> the liner through conduit
>>>>>> from the starboard to the port side.? Apparently
>>>>> a power surge at the marina
>>>>>> had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the
>>>>> charger and started
>>>>>> the electrical fire.? When they pulled the wiring
>>>>> and conduit out I could
>>>>>> see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely
>>>>> thru under the liner.
>>>>>> ? I am thinking
>>>>>> ? that maybe the water underneath had helped keep
>>>>> the fire from spreading.
>>>>>> ? Except for all of the wiring, charger and
>>>>> battery switch all else was ok.
>>>>>> The electrician did not reconnect the
>>
>> -- 
>> Scott Thompson
>> Surprise, #653
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:05:51 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: hcreech at comcast.net
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>> Message-ID:
>>
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>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Jeff,
>> Never have had an odor from that locker either, maybe why I was confused.
>> However we are one of the victims of the sticky gelcoat, all of our foul
>> weather gear is in that locker and every piece has white stains. We also
>> use the humidity control on our Cruise Air, the boat smells boaty, but 
>> not
>
>> nasty.
>>
>>
>> Herb
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 8:49:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>>
>>
>> Herb,
>>
>> On our boat, there's little or no smell in the head or under the sink. 
>> But
>
>> the locker in the aft cabin seems to get it instead. I think that's what
>> this thread was referring to.
>>
>> Its probably not universal, but there is likely some common cause and 
>> cure
>
>> for those who notice it. Maybe it's the clamps on the vent hose where 
>> they
>
>> were difficult to reach.
>>
>> -Jeff
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: hcreech at comcast.net
>> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:11:18
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Reply-To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
>>
>> Hey List, just an observation, but most of the hull numbers I have seen
>> mentioning this problem have been newer boats. My boat, hull 606, is a
>> 1999 model. Once I learned, from the list, to use fresh water instead of
>> pumping bay water there has been no odors on my boat, you can ask my 
>> wife.
>
>> As long as I take care of the bilge the boat smells like a boat, but no
>> offensive odors. I am assuming the locker everyone is mentioning is
>> beneath the head sink, if so no odors from there, in fact none from
>> anywhere on the boat. We do pump out on a regular basis, but sometimes it
>> sits, so I was a little surprised to hear this complaint. Maybe someone
>> should tally the hull numbers and see, if like the shallow bilge problem,
>> it is related to a certain vintage boat.
>> Sorry some are having this problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> Herb Creech
>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "michael nagelkirk" <mikenagelkirk at gmail.com>
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 3:43:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
>>
>> My goodness Sean, Fred and all the rest of us dealing with the odor 
>> issue.
>
>> I
>> had no idea that it was almost universal. To think of the time and money
>> required just to get as little as 20% of the odor out and not even be 
>> able
>> to use your locker or the full potential of your head for that matter is
>> appalling. I think we should collectively take this up with Catalina
>> directly and have its experts solve the problem and possibly even
>> contribute
>> to the remedy.
>>
>> *Mike NagelkirkMikeNagelkirk*
>> True North #909
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:00 PM,
>> <c320-list-request at lists.catalina320.com>wrote:
>>
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>> 1. Re: eliminating odor (Sean Kaldor)
>>> 2. Re: eliminating odor (Fred LEcuyer)
>>> 3. Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
>>> 4. muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
>>> 5. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
>>> 6. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
>>> 7. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
>>> 8. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Scott Thompson)
>>> 9. Hurricane Earl (Robert Seastream)
>>> 10. Re: Hurricane Earl (ericstillwellevans at gmail.com)
>>> 11. Re: Hurricane Earl (jim brown)
>>> 12. Re: Hurricane Earl (=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
>>> 13. Re: Hurricane Earl (Kurt Budelmann)
>>> 14. Re: Hurricane Earl (Jeff Hare)
>>> 15. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (chester carson)
>>> 16. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: Sean Kaldor <spkaldor at yahoo.com>
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>>> Message-ID: <697913.24018.qm at web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>
>>> We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
>>>
>>> Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
>>> compartment
>>> under the sink upon purchase.
>>>
>>> Took the following action:
>>>
>>> (1) Replaced the entire head;
>>> (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as
>>> well
>>> as
>>> sink drain hose;
>>> (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
>>> (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
>>> (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and
>>> compartment?repeatedly
>>> with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
>>> (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
>>> (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no 
>>> solid
>>> waste;
>>> (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
>>>
>>> Four?months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
>>>
>>> The only other steps I can think of would be:
>>> (1) Replace the holding tank;
>>> (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
>>> (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor 
>>> remover;
>>>
>>> But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point, 
>>> we
>>> don't
>>> store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any
>>> further
>>> than
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>> Libert? #499
>>> San Francisco
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:35:34 -0400
>>> From: Fred LEcuyer <fred.lecuyer at live.com>
>>> To: Catalina320list Catalina320list <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>>> Message-ID: <SNT113-W37399B1320F4AABC876DDE98A0 at phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>>
>>> Sean:
>>>
>>> Our biggest improvement seemed to come when I re-tefloned the fittings 
>>> to
>>> the tank and removed the tank to scrub underneath.
>>>
>>> Someone further down the E-mail chain suggest that backpressure from
>>> accidently hitting the macerator switch may have caused leakage at the
>>> fittings. That makes sense to me and it's nearly impossible to tell
>>> what's
>>> under the tank until you pull it.
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700
>>> > From: spkaldor at yahoo.com
>>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>>> >
>>> > We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
>>> >
>>> > Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
>>> compartment
>>> > under the sink upon purchase.
>>> >
>>> > Took the following action:
>>> >
>>> > (1) Replaced the entire head;
>>> > (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as
>>> well as
>>> > sink drain hose;
>>> > (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
>>> > (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
>>> > (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and compartment
>>> repeatedly
>>> > with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
>>> > (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
>>> > (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no
>>> > solid
>>> waste;
>>> > (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
>>> >
>>> > Four months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
>>> >
>>> > The only other steps I can think of would be:
>>> > (1) Replace the holding tank;
>>> > (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
>>> > (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor
>>> > remover;
>>> >
>>> > But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point,
>>> > we
>>> don't
>>> > store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any
>>> further than
>>> > that.
>>> >
>>> > Sean
>>> > Libert? #499
>>> > San Francisco
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:00:00 -0400
>>> From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> To: C320-List <C320-list at catalina320.org>
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <AANLkTimr4vwxdBEF6CBXT1omhq6ftVM0Wn9GQGGNRjt- at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>>> Irv grunes
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:10:55 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>>> Message-ID: <268590.93779.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
>>> inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems
>>> cited,
>>> ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In 
>>> the
>>> 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
>>> electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box). I
>>> do
>>> have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to 
>>> address
>>> for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think
>>> fortunately
>>> however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>>>
>>> On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake
>>> Michigan
>>> (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
>>> cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten 
>>> from
>>> Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year
>>> old
>>> one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and assorted
>>> pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
>>> removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some of
>>> the
>>> water remained, as always, under the liner.
>>>
>>> I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two 
>>> nights
>>> later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
>>> smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
>>> thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin lights
>>> which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming 
>>> from
>>> behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
>>> Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
>>> insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto and
>>> burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through
>>> conduit
>>> from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the
>>> marina
>>> had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and 
>>> started
>>> the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I could
>>> see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the
>>> liner.
>>> I am thinking
>>> that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from spreading.
>>> Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was 
>>> ok.
>>>
>>> The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
>>> battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would
>>> alleviate
>>> some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
>>> reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge went
>>> thru
>>> the negative side seeking ground.
>>>
>>> This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the wiring
>>> which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel
>>> etc.
>>> In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
>>> fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I 
>>> will
>>> immediately remove the shore power cord.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 00:43:47 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: hcreech at comcast.net
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <
>>>
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>>> >
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That 
>>> is
>>> where I bought mine.
>>>
>>>
>>> Herb Creech
>>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> To: "C320-List" <C320-list at catalina320.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:00:00 PM
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>>
>>> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>>> Irv grunes
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:49:07 -0400
>>> From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <AANLkTikz4Ju1H9wbYo_YRyW7nXMHHVxa0LysYLmnj73w at mail.gmail.com>
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>>> Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
>>> Irv
>>> #851
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That 
>>> is
>>> where I bought mine.
>>>
>>>
>>> Herb Creech
>>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 01:55:14 +0000 (UTC)
>>> From: hcreech at comcast.net
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <
>>>
> 405149512.824953.1283306114833.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.com
> cast.net
>>> >
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> That was what I was talking about, read it right the first time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Herb
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>>
>>> Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
>>> Irv
>>> #851
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That 
>>> is
>>> where I bought mine.
>>>
>>>
>>> Herb Creech
>>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:29:26 -0400
>>> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>> Message-ID: <4C7E3916.8040401 at thompson87.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>
>>> These are manufactured by SSI Custom Plastics in Hollywood, Maryland.
>>> They were very helpful when I called them to get a replacement a few
>>> years back.
>>>
>>> See http://www.ssicustomplastics.com/
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Scott Thompson
>>> Surprise, #653
>>>
>>>
>>> Irving Grunes wrote:
>>> > Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>>> > Irv grunes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:47:10 -0400
>>> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> Message-ID: <C517D7D0-582E-400F-85B0-7F144AED46EA at comcast.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>>> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>>> next to them after the storm passed.
>>>
>>> Bob Seastream
>>> Intuition # 906
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 10
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:00:15 +0000
>>> From: ericstillwellevans at gmail.com
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>>
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> da2817.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
>>> >
>>>
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>>>
>>> I used to feel the same way until a Squall traveling 40mph with 85mph
>>> winds
>>> lasting only 10min dragged my boat and others and caused damage.
>>>
>>> I would think with the storm surge related to hurricanes a mooring may 
>>> be
>>> fine but I would extend your mooring lines.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>> 724
>>> ------Original Message------ 
>>> From: Robert Seastream
>>> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>>> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>>> next to them after the storm passed.
>>>
>>> Bob Seastream
>>> Intuition # 906
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 11
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 05:01:55 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> Message-ID: <732454.82453.qm at web58604.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>
>>> BoatUS has a whole section on hurricane preparation from the safest 
>>> place
>>> to be to what kind of lines-not nylon- to use to what chafing gear is
>>> best
>>> etc Very helpful
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 7:47 AM
>>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit 
>>> (doubtful
>>> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:? in a slip, 
>>> on
>
>>> a
>>> mooring, or out of the water?
>>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>> and
>>> hit the boat.? On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next to
>>> them after the storm passed.
>>>
>>> Bob Seastream
>>> Intuition # 906
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 12
>>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 08:04:23 -0400
>>> From: "=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?="
>>> <argates2nd at comcast.net>
>>> To: "=?utf-8?B?Um9iZXJ0IFNlYXN0cmVhbQ==?="
>>> <robert.seastream at comcast.net>, C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> Message-ID: <20100901120417.B6650448230 at homiemail-mx2.g.dreamhost.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> Ins req'ts?
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>>>
>>> ----- Reply message ----- 
>>> From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>> Date: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 7:47 am
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit 
>>> (doubtful
>>> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip, on
>>> a
>>> mooring, or out of the water?
>>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>> and
>>> hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next to
>>> them after the storm passed.
>>>
>>> Bob Seastream
>>> Intuition # 906
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 13
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:37:18 -0400
>>> From: "Kurt Budelmann" <krbmd77 at charter.net>
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> Message-ID: <F14A55A0B8894971891B266CC66DAA25 at lchcs.org>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>> reply-type=response
>>>
>>> Seaworthy, the Boat US magazine showed that the best preparation was on
>>> land
>>> with jackstands and guide wires preventing the boat from moving. I think
>>> they had 4 to 6 guide wires anchored in the ground around the boat. 
>>> Also,
>>> their insurance will offset the cost.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:47 AM
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>>
>>>
>>> > All:
>>> >
>>> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>> (doubtful
>>> > the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip,
>>> on
>>> > a mooring, or out of the water?
>>> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>> > and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>>> next
>>> > to them after the storm passed.
>>> >
>>> > Bob Seastream
>>> > Intuition # 906
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 14
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:38:56 +0000
>>> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>>
> <255742206-1283344729-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-419593409- at bd
> a284.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
>>> >
>>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>>
>>> In our area Bob, land is the best option as yards around here are used 
>>> to
>>> blocking boats on stands for high winds. Maybe 100 mph winds would
>>> require
>>> some staked lines or tied off on trees. I know my boat with cover has
>>> done
>>> fine in 70mph on land. Ins companies will often pay for haulout if a
>>> storm
>>> is imminent and damage is likely.
>>>
>>> I would say moorings next assuming the mooring block and tackle is 
>>> solid.
>>>
>>> Docks are the worst because the boat will get pounded a lot and can't
>>> face
>>> the wind.
>>>
>>> Take your canvas down, center the boom and tie off the aft end to both
>>> stern cleats. Secure all loose lines and lead halyards where they won't
>>> chaffe on the spreaders.
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>>
>>> ------Original Message------ 
>>> From: Robert Seastream
>>> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>>> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>>> next to them after the storm passed.
>>>
>>> Bob Seastream
>>> Intuition # 906
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 15
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:07:45 -0500
>>> From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <AANLkTimJm2YoBp05rCzKkLKsTonCSdZ4-GGBk+2m9=Gd at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> Pat
>>> that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution is to fuse
>>> the
>>> battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram with specs 
>>> that
>>> they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on new boats.
>>> Kit Carson
>>> #223
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
>>> > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems
>>> cited,
>>> > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In
>>> the
>>> > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
>>> > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box).
>>> > I
>>> do
>>> > have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to
>>> > address
>>> > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think
>>> fortunately
>>> > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>>> >
>>> > On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake
>>> Michigan
>>> > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
>>> > cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten
>>> from
>>> > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year
>>> old
>>> > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and
>>> > assorted
>>> > pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
>>> > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some 
>>> > of
>>> the
>>> > water remained, as always, under the liner.
>>> >
>>> > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two
>>> nights
>>> > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
>>> > smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
>>> > thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin 
>>> > lights
>>> > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming
>>> > from
>>> > behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
>>> > Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
>>> > insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto 
>>> > and
>>> > burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through
>>> conduit
>>> > from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the
>>> marina
>>> > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and
>>> > started
>>> > the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I
>>> > could
>>> > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the
>>> liner.
>>> > I am thinking
>>> > that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from
>>> > spreading.
>>> > Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was
>>> ok.
>>> >
>>> > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
>>> > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would
>>> alleviate
>>> > some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
>>> > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge 
>>> > went
>>> thru
>>> > the negative side seeking ground.
>>> >
>>> > This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the
>>> > wiring
>>> > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel
>>> etc.
>>> > In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
>>> > fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I
>>> will
>>> > immediately remove the shore power cord.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------ 
>>>
>>> Message: 16
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>>> Message-ID: <118319.86321.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>
>>> Thanks Kit I think that is what the electrician told me about the
>>> standards when he put the fuses on the wires at the batt switch. I know
>>> less about this field than I do computers so I forgot to ask him if this
>>> affected the way the batteries are charged on shore power, ie both
>>> charged
>>> no matter what position the switch is on.
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>>> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> > Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:07 AM
>>> > Pat
>>> > that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution
>>> > is to fuse the
>>> > battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram
>>> > with specs that
>>> > they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on
>>> > new boats.
>>> > Kit Carson
>>> > #223
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this
>>> > site since its'
>>> > > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many
>>> > of the problems cited,
>>> > > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems,
>>> > corrosion etc.? In the
>>> > > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the
>>> > muffler and the
>>> > > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened
>>> > pandora's box).? I do
>>> > > have a water under the liner problem which I have been
>>> > meaning to address
>>> > > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater
>>> > only).? I think fortunately
>>> > > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>>> > >
>>> > > On a recent single handed return from a long distance
>>> > race on Lake Michigan
>>> > > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at? 3
>>> > am by the bilge pump
>>> > > cycling.? It seems that the year old replacement
>>> > muffler I had gotten from
>>> > > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse
>>> > than the 14 year old
>>> > > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the
>>> > bilges and assorted
>>> > > pockets.? Tired and grumbling since I was still
>>> > 100 miles from home, I
>>> > > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple
>>> > of hours.? Some of the
>>> > > water remained, as always, under the liner.
>>> > >
>>> > > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and
>>> > continued on.? Two nights
>>> > > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad
>>> > electrical storm, I
>>> > > smelled something burning.? I had a fan running
>>> > off the shore power and
>>> > > thought it had overheated but it was cool.? I
>>> > turned on the cabin lights
>>> > > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp
>>> > of smoke coming from
>>> > > behind the electrical panel.? It was heavier when
>>> > I opened the panel.
>>> > >? Opening the battery compartment I could see that
>>> > the charger wire
>>> > > insulation had burned completely off and these wires
>>> > had fused onto and
>>> > > burned the battery cables.? These wires run under
>>> > the liner through conduit
>>> > > from the starboard to the port side.? Apparently
>>> > a power surge at the marina
>>> > > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the
>>> > charger and started
>>> > > the electrical fire.? When they pulled the wiring
>>> > and conduit out I could
>>> > > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely
>>> > thru under the liner.
>>> > >? I am thinking
>>> > >? that maybe the water underneath had helped keep
>>> > the fire from spreading.
>>> > >? Except for all of the wiring, charger and
>>> > battery switch all else was ok.
>>> > >
>>> > > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires
>>> > directly to the
>>> > > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses.?
>>> > He said that would alleviate
>>> > > some of the wiring running underneath the liner.?
>>> > He also said that the
>>> > > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was
>>> > because the charge went thru
>>> > > the negative side seeking ground.
>>> > >
>>> > > This was just a long way of saying that we should be
>>> > aware of the wiring
>>> > > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine,
>>> > charger, panel etc.
>>> > >? In additon to being inaccessible it may also be
>>> > subject to chafe and
>>> > > fraying.???If I am ever on the boat
>>> > again during an electrical storm I will
>>> > > immediately remove the shore power cord.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
>>> *****************************************
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 08:17:37 -0400
>> From: "Stephane Rousseau _/)" <stephaner at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTimu2BtgA0KZ0yvYq=CCtGwgDWPXmhLAKrPAwbaC at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I had the smell in locker in the aft cabin. I did resolve it by changing
>> the
>> hose going from the toilet to the tank with one using the white material.
>> It
>> was a black rubber hose before and after time, it become poorous to odor.
>> The white one doesn't smell over time but you have to use a compatible
>> antifreeze for winterization like the pink one used in RV.
>>
>> Regards _/)
>>
>>
>> Steph _/)
>> Wedidit II - Hull 544
>>
>>
>> 2010/9/2 <hcreech at comcast.net>
>>
>>> Jeff,
>>> Never have had an odor from that locker either, maybe why I was 
>>> confused.
>>> However we are one of the victims of the sticky gelcoat, all of our foul
>>> weather gear is in that locker and every piece has white stains. We also
>>> use
>>> the humidity control on our Cruise Air, the boat smells boaty, but not
>>> nasty.
>>>
>>>
>>> Herb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 8:49:25 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>>>
>>>
>>> Herb,
>>>
>>> On our boat, there's little or no smell in the head or under the sink.
>>> But
>>> the locker in the aft cabin seems to get it instead. I think that's what
>>> this thread was referring to.
>>>
>>> Its probably not universal, but there is likely some common cause and
>>> cure
>>> for those who notice it. Maybe it's the clamps on the vent hose where
>>> they
>>> were difficult to reach.
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: hcreech at comcast.net
>>> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:11:18
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Reply-To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
>>>
>>> Hey List, just an observation, but most of the hull numbers I have seen
>>> mentioning this problem have been newer boats. My boat, hull 606, is a
>>> 1999
>>> model. Once I learned, from the list, to use fresh water instead of
>>> pumping
>>> bay water there has been no odors on my boat, you can ask my wife. As
>>> long
>>> as I take care of the bilge the boat smells like a boat, but no 
>>> offensive
>>> odors. I am assuming the locker everyone is mentioning is beneath the
>>> head
>>> sink, if so no odors from there, in fact none from anywhere on the boat.
>>> We
>>> do pump out on a regular basis, but sometimes it sits, so I was a little
>>> surprised to hear this complaint. Maybe someone should tally the hull
>>> numbers and see, if like the shallow bilge problem, it is related to a
>>> certain vintage boat.
>>> Sorry some are having this problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Herb Creech
>>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "michael nagelkirk" <mikenagelkirk at gmail.com>
>>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 3:43:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
>>>
>>> My goodness Sean, Fred and all the rest of us dealing with the odor
>>> issue.
>>> I
>>> had no idea that it was almost universal. To think of the time and money
>>> required just to get as little as 20% of the odor out and not even be
>>> able
>>> to use your locker or the full potential of your head for that matter is
>>> appalling. I think we should collectively take this up with Catalina
>>> directly and have its experts solve the problem and possibly even
>>> contribute
>>> to the remedy.
>>>
>>> *Mike NagelkirkMikeNagelkirk*
>>> True North #909
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:00 PM, <c320-list-request at lists.catalina320.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
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>>> >
>>> > Today's Topics:
>>> >
>>> > 1. Re: eliminating odor (Sean Kaldor)
>>> > 2. Re: eliminating odor (Fred LEcuyer)
>>> > 3. Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
>>> > 4. muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
>>> > 5. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
>>> > 6. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
>>> > 7. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
>>> > 8. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Scott Thompson)
>>> > 9. Hurricane Earl (Robert Seastream)
>>> > 10. Re: Hurricane Earl (ericstillwellevans at gmail.com)
>>> > 11. Re: Hurricane Earl (jim brown)
>>> > 12. Re: Hurricane Earl (=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
>>> > 13. Re: Hurricane Earl (Kurt Budelmann)
>>> > 14. Re: Hurricane Earl (Jeff Hare)
>>> > 15. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (chester carson)
>>> > 16. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 1
>>> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT)
>>> > From: Sean Kaldor <spkaldor at yahoo.com>
>>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>>> > Message-ID: <697913.24018.qm at web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>> >
>>> > We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
>>> >
>>> > Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
>>> > compartment
>>> > under the sink upon purchase.
>>> >
>>> > Took the following action:
>>> >
>>> > (1) Replaced the entire head;
>>> > (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as
>>> well
>>> > as
>>> > sink drain hose;
>>> > (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
>>> > (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
>>> > (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and
>>> > compartment?repeatedly
>>> > with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
>>> > (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
>>> > (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no
>>> > solid
>>> > waste;
>>> > (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
>>> >
>>> > Four?months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
>>> >
>>> > The only other steps I can think of would be:
>>> > (1) Replace the holding tank;
>>> > (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
>>> > (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor
>>> > remover;
>>> >
>>> > But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point,
>>> > we
>>> > don't
>>> > store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any
>>> further
>>> > than
>>> > that.
>>> >
>>> > Sean
>>> > Libert? #499
>>> > San Francisco
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 2
>>> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:35:34 -0400
>>> > From: Fred LEcuyer <fred.lecuyer at live.com>
>>> > To: Catalina320list Catalina320list <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>>> > Message-ID: <SNT113-W37399B1320F4AABC876DDE98A0 at phx.gbl>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sean:
>>> >
>>> > Our biggest improvement seemed to come when I re-tefloned the fittings
>>> > to
>>> > the tank and removed the tank to scrub underneath.
>>> >
>>> > Someone further down the E-mail chain suggest that backpressure from
>>> > accidently hitting the macerator switch may have caused leakage at the
>>> > fittings. That makes sense to me and it's nearly impossible to tell
>>> what's
>>> > under the tank until you pull it.
>>> >
>>> > Fred
>>> >
>>> > > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700
>>> > > From: spkaldor at yahoo.com
>>> > > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>>> > >
>>> > > We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
>>> > >
>>> > > Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
>>> > compartment
>>> > > under the sink upon purchase.
>>> > >
>>> > > Took the following action:
>>> > >
>>> > > (1) Replaced the entire head;
>>> > > (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout)
>>> > > as
>>> > well as
>>> > > sink drain hose;
>>> > > (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
>>> > > (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
>>> > > (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and compartment
>>> > repeatedly
>>> > > with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
>>> > > (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
>>> > > (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no
>>> solid
>>> > waste;
>>> > > (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
>>> > >
>>> > > Four months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
>>> > >
>>> > > The only other steps I can think of would be:
>>> > > (1) Replace the holding tank;
>>> > > (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
>>> > > (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor
>>> remover;
>>> > >
>>> > > But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this
>>> > > point,
>>> we
>>> > don't
>>> > > store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any
>>> > further than
>>> > > that.
>>> > >
>>> > > Sean
>>> > > Libert? #499
>>> > > San Francisco
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 3
>>> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:00:00 -0400
>>> > From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> > To: C320-List <C320-list at catalina320.org>
>>> > Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>> > Message-ID:
>>> > <AANLkTimr4vwxdBEF6CBXT1omhq6ftVM0Wn9GQGGNRjt- at mail.gmail.com>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>> >
>>> > Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>>> > Irv grunes
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 4
>>> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:10:55 -0700 (PDT)
>>> > From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > Subject: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>>> > Message-ID: <268590.93779.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>> >
>>> > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
>>> > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems
>>> cited,
>>> > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In
>>> > the
>>> > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
>>> > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box).
>>> > I
>>> do
>>> > have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to
>>> > address
>>> > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think
>>> fortunately
>>> > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>>> >
>>> > On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake
>>> Michigan
>>> > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
>>> > cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten
>>> > from
>>> > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year
>>> old
>>> > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and
>>> > assorted
>>> > pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
>>> > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some 
>>> > of
>>> the
>>> > water remained, as always, under the liner.
>>> >
>>> > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two
>>> > nights
>>> > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
>>> > smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
>>> > thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin 
>>> > lights
>>> > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming
>>> > from
>>> > behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
>>> > Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
>>> > insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto 
>>> > and
>>> > burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through
>>> conduit
>>> > from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the
>>> marina
>>> > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and
>>> > started
>>> > the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I
>>> > could
>>> > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the
>>> liner.
>>> > I am thinking
>>> > that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from
>>> > spreading.
>>> > Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was
>>> > ok.
>>> >
>>> > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
>>> > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would
>>> alleviate
>>> > some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
>>> > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge 
>>> > went
>>> thru
>>> > the negative side seeking ground.
>>> >
>>> > This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the
>>> > wiring
>>> > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel
>>> etc.
>>> > In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
>>> > fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I
>>> > will
>>> > immediately remove the shore power cord.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 5
>>> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 00:43:47 +0000 (UTC)
>>> > From: hcreech at comcast.net
>>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>> > Message-ID:
>>> > <
>>> >
>>>
> 1793164456.820936.1283301827848.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.co
> mcast.net
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>> >
>>> > Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That
>>> > is
>>> > where I bought mine.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Herb Creech
>>> > Cloud Chaser #606
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> > To: "C320-List" <C320-list at catalina320.org>
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:00:00 PM
>>> > Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>> >
>>> > Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>>> > Irv grunes
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 6
>>> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:49:07 -0400
>>> > From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>> > Message-ID:
>>> > <AANLkTikz4Ju1H9wbYo_YRyW7nXMHHVxa0LysYLmnj73w at mail.gmail.com>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>> >
>>> > Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
>>> > Irv
>>> > #851
>>> >
>>> > On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> > Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That
>>> > is
>>> > where I bought mine.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Herb Creech
>>> > Cloud Chaser #606
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> > To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 7
>>> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 01:55:14 +0000 (UTC)
>>> > From: hcreech at comcast.net
>>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>> > Message-ID:
>>> > <
>>> >
>>>
> 405149512.824953.1283306114833.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.com
> cast.net
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>> >
>>> > That was what I was talking about, read it right the first time.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Herb
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49:07 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>> >
>>> > Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
>>> > Irv
>>> > #851
>>> >
>>> > On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> > Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That
>>> > is
>>> > where I bought mine.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Herb Creech
>>> > Cloud Chaser #606
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> > To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 8
>>> > Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:29:26 -0400
>>> > From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
>>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>> > Message-ID: <4C7E3916.8040401 at thompson87.com>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>> >
>>> > These are manufactured by SSI Custom Plastics in Hollywood, Maryland.
>>> > They were very helpful when I called them to get a replacement a few
>>> > years back.
>>> >
>>> > See http://www.ssicustomplastics.com/
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Scott Thompson
>>> > Surprise, #653
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Irving Grunes wrote:
>>> > > Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>>> > > Irv grunes
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 9
>>> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:47:10 -0400
>>> > From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> > Message-ID: <C517D7D0-582E-400F-85B0-7F144AED46EA at comcast.net>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>> >
>>> > All:
>>> >
>>> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>> > (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>>> > in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>>> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>> > and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>>> > next to them after the storm passed.
>>> >
>>> > Bob Seastream
>>> > Intuition # 906
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 10
>>> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:00:15 +0000
>>> > From: ericstillwellevans at gmail.com
>>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> > Message-ID:
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
> <1158712043-1283342415-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-275800562- at b
> da2817.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain
>>> >
>>> > I used to feel the same way until a Squall traveling 40mph with 85mph
>>> winds
>>> > lasting only 10min dragged my boat and others and caused damage.
>>> >
>>> > I would think with the storm surge related to hurricanes a mooring may
>>> > be
>>> > fine but I would extend your mooring lines.
>>> >
>>> > Rick
>>> > 724
>>> > ------Original Message------
>>> > From: Robert Seastream
>>> > Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> > Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>>> >
>>> > All:
>>> >
>>> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>> > (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>>> > in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>>> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>> > and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>>> > next to them after the storm passed.
>>> >
>>> > Bob Seastream
>>> > Intuition # 906
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 11
>>> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 05:01:55 -0700 (PDT)
>>> > From: jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>
>>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> > Message-ID: <732454.82453.qm at web58604.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>> >
>>> > BoatUS has a whole section on hurricane preparation from the safest
>>> > place
>>> > to be to what kind of lines-not nylon- to use to what chafing gear is
>>> best
>>> > etc Very helpful
>>> >
>>> > --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>> > Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 7:47 AM
>>> >
>>> > All:
>>> >
>>> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>> > (doubtful
>>> > the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:? in a slip,
>>> > on
>>> a
>>> > mooring, or out of the water?
>>> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>> and
>>> > hit the boat.? On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next
>>> > to
>>> > them after the storm passed.
>>> >
>>> > Bob Seastream
>>> > Intuition # 906
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 12
>>> > Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 08:04:23 -0400
>>> > From: "=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?="
>>> > <argates2nd at comcast.net>
>>> > To: "=?utf-8?B?Um9iZXJ0IFNlYXN0cmVhbQ==?="
>>> > <robert.seastream at comcast.net>, C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> > Message-ID: <20100901120417.B6650448230 at homiemail-mx2.g.dreamhost.com>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>> >
>>> > Ins req'ts?
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>>> >
>>> > ----- Reply message -----
>>> > From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>> > Date: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 7:47 am
>>> > Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> >
>>> > All:
>>> >
>>> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>> > (doubtful
>>> > the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip,
>>> > on
>>> a
>>> > mooring, or out of the water?
>>> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>> and
>>> > hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next 
>>> > to
>>> > them after the storm passed.
>>> >
>>> > Bob Seastream
>>> > Intuition # 906
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 13
>>> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:37:18 -0400
>>> > From: "Kurt Budelmann" <krbmd77 at charter.net>
>>> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> > Message-ID: <F14A55A0B8894971891B266CC66DAA25 at lchcs.org>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>> > reply-type=response
>>> >
>>> > Seaworthy, the Boat US magazine showed that the best preparation was 
>>> > on
>>> > land
>>> > with jackstands and guide wires preventing the boat from moving. I
>>> > think
>>> > they had 4 to 6 guide wires anchored in the ground around the boat.
>>> > Also,
>>> > their insurance will offset the cost.
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>>> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:47 AM
>>> > Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > > All:
>>> > >
>>> > > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>> > (doubtful
>>> > > the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a 
>>> > > slip,
>>> > on
>>> > > a mooring, or out of the water?
>>> > > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly
>>> > > about
>>> > > and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>>> > next
>>> > > to them after the storm passed.
>>> > >
>>> > > Bob Seastream
>>> > > Intuition # 906
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 14
>>> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:38:56 +0000
>>> > From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
>>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> > Message-ID:
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
> <255742206-1283344729-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-419593409- at bd
> a284.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain
>>> >
>>> > In our area Bob, land is the best option as yards around here are used
>>> > to
>>> > blocking boats on stands for high winds. Maybe 100 mph winds would
>>> require
>>> > some staked lines or tied off on trees. I know my boat with cover has
>>> done
>>> > fine in 70mph on land. Ins companies will often pay for haulout if a
>>> storm
>>> > is imminent and damage is likely.
>>> >
>>> > I would say moorings next assuming the mooring block and tackle is
>>> > solid.
>>> >
>>> > Docks are the worst because the boat will get pounded a lot and can't
>>> face
>>> > the wind.
>>> >
>>> > Take your canvas down, center the boom and tie off the aft end to both
>>> > stern cleats. Secure all loose lines and lead halyards where they 
>>> > won't
>>> > chaffe on the spreaders.
>>> >
>>> > -Jeff
>>> >
>>> > ------Original Message------
>>> > From: Robert Seastream
>>> > Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>> > Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>>> >
>>> > All:
>>> >
>>> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>>> > (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>>> > in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>>> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>> > and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>>> > next to them after the storm passed.
>>> >
>>> > Bob Seastream
>>> > Intuition # 906
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 15
>>> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:07:45 -0500
>>> > From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
>>> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>>> > Message-ID:
>>> > <AANLkTimJm2YoBp05rCzKkLKsTonCSdZ4-GGBk+2m9=Gd at mail.gmail.com>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>> >
>>> > Pat
>>> > that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution is to fuse
>>> the
>>> > battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram with specs
>>> > that
>>> > they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on new boats.
>>> > Kit Carson
>>> > #223
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since
>>> > > its'
>>> > > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the 
>>> > > problems
>>> > cited,
>>> > > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. 
>>> > > In
>>> > the
>>> > > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
>>> > > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's
>>> > > box).
>>> I
>>> > do
>>> > > have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to
>>> address
>>> > > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think
>>> > fortunately
>>> > > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>>> > >
>>> > > On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake
>>> > Michigan
>>> > > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge 
>>> > > pump
>>> > > cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten
>>> > from
>>> > > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14
>>> > > year
>>> > old
>>> > > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and
>>> assorted
>>> > > pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, 
>>> > > I
>>> > > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some
>>> > > of
>>> > the
>>> > > water remained, as always, under the liner.
>>> > >
>>> > > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two
>>> > nights
>>> > > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, 
>>> > > I
>>> > > smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power
>>> > > and
>>> > > thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin
>>> > > lights
>>> > > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming
>>> from
>>> > > behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
>>> > > Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
>>> > > insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto
>>> > > and
>>> > > burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through
>>> > conduit
>>> > > from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the
>>> > marina
>>> > > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and
>>> started
>>> > > the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I
>>> could
>>> > > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the
>>> > liner.
>>> > > I am thinking
>>> > > that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from
>>> spreading.
>>> > > Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else 
>>> > > was
>>> > ok.
>>> > >
>>> > > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
>>> > > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would
>>> > alleviate
>>> > > some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that
>>> > > the
>>> > > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge
>>> > > went
>>> > thru
>>> > > the negative side seeking ground.
>>> > >
>>> > > This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the
>>> wiring
>>> > > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, 
>>> > > panel
>>> > etc.
>>> > > In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
>>> > > fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I
>>> > will
>>> > > immediately remove the shore power cord.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 16
>>> > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
>>> > From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>>> > Message-ID: <118319.86321.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>> >
>>> > Thanks Kit I think that is what the electrician told me about the
>>> > standards when he put the fuses on the wires at the batt switch. I 
>>> > know
>>> > less about this field than I do computers so I forgot to ask him if
>>> > this
>>> > affected the way the batteries are charged on shore power, ie both
>>> charged
>>> > no matter what position the switch is on.
>>> >
>>> > Pat
>>> >
>>> > --- On Wed, 9/1/10, chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
>>> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>>> > > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> > > Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:07 AM
>>> > > Pat
>>> > > that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution
>>> > > is to fuse the
>>> > > battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram
>>> > > with specs that
>>> > > they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on
>>> > > new boats.
>>> > > Kit Carson
>>> > > #223
>>> > >
>>> > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this
>>> > > site since its'
>>> > > > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many
>>> > > of the problems cited,
>>> > > > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems,
>>> > > corrosion etc.? In the
>>> > > > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the
>>> > > muffler and the
>>> > > > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened
>>> > > pandora's box).? I do
>>> > > > have a water under the liner problem which I have been
>>> > > meaning to address
>>> > > > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater
>>> > > only).? I think fortunately
>>> > > > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On a recent single handed return from a long distance
>>> > > race on Lake Michigan
>>> > > > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at? 3
>>> > > am by the bilge pump
>>> > > > cycling.? It seems that the year old replacement
>>> > > muffler I had gotten from
>>> > > > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse
>>> > > than the 14 year old
>>> > > > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the
>>> > > bilges and assorted
>>> > > > pockets.? Tired and grumbling since I was still
>>> > > 100 miles from home, I
>>> > > > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple
>>> > > of hours.? Some of the
>>> > > > water remained, as always, under the liner.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and
>>> > > continued on.? Two nights
>>> > > > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad
>>> > > electrical storm, I
>>> > > > smelled something burning.? I had a fan running
>>> > > off the shore power and
>>> > > > thought it had overheated but it was cool.? I
>>> > > turned on the cabin lights
>>> > > > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp
>>> > > of smoke coming from
>>> > > > behind the electrical panel.? It was heavier when
>>> > > I opened the panel.
>>> > > >? Opening the battery compartment I could see that
>>> > > the charger wire
>>> > > > insulation had burned completely off and these wires
>>> > > had fused onto and
>>> > > > burned the battery cables.? These wires run under
>>> > > the liner through conduit
>>> > > > from the starboard to the port side.? Apparently
>>> > > a power surge at the marina
>>> > > > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the
>>> > > charger and started
>>> > > > the electrical fire.? When they pulled the wiring
>>> > > and conduit out I could
>>> > > > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely
>>> > > thru under the liner.
>>> > > >? I am thinking
>>> > > >? that maybe the water underneath had helped keep
>>> > > the fire from spreading.
>>> > > >? Except for all of the wiring, charger and
>>> > > battery switch all else was ok.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires
>>> > > directly to the
>>> > > > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses.?
>>> > > He said that would alleviate
>>> > > > some of the wiring running underneath the liner.?
>>> > > He also said that the
>>> > > > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was
>>> > > because the charge went thru
>>> > > > the negative side seeking ground.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > This was just a long way of saying that we should be
>>> > > aware of the wiring
>>> > > > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine,
>>> > > charger, panel etc.
>>> > > >? In additon to being inaccessible it may also be
>>> > > subject to chafe and
>>> > > > fraying.???If I am ever on the boat
>>> > > again during an electrical storm I will
>>> > > > immediately remove the shore power cord.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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