[C320-list] UPS Gennaker

[Rick Evans]

Russell,

You have any pics of the set up of the bow sprit, and your UPS sail?

Thanks
Rick
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On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Robert E. Sloat <resloat at comcast.net>wrote:

> Bill-Thanks for the information on the UPS.  That technology caught my
> attention a few months ago.  I assume your spinnaker halyard for the UPS
> exits the mast from below the crane.  If so, did you need a exit plate
> there?  Also, what brand and model of crane did you use.  It looks like
> some
> of the other 320 owners used a Rigrite product which some said bent on
> early
> use.
>
> I am interested in the bow spirit set up as I have been thinking about one,
> but still want access to the anchor locker and minimum trip hazards on the
> bow.  What brand and model of the extension did you use and any suggested
> changes to your installation.  I saw one on I believe the new C445 which
> looked very clean, but that was built into the design not an add-on.
>
> Sorry for asking all this, but you installation sounds like something I
> would like to do and others are probably interested.  A posting on the C320
> site or an article in Mainsheet would be cool.
>
> I have a UK Flasher asymmetric with a sock and the ATN Tacker and sail it
> as
> much as possible to show it off and keep up skills.  The tack line is at
> the
> anchor bail and outside jibes are used.  So far after 8 years of use I
> still
> use the stock spinnaker setup for the halyard without any problems.  I see
> the advantage of a crane when sailing the asymmetric sailing fairly high as
> there the halyard does exit the mast laterally, but so far no chafe on the
> halyard.  Most of my sailing with the asymmetric is at lower wind angles
> however.
>
> Bob Sloat
> Savannah 2002(894)
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Russell" <RussellW at oacsd.org>
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> Subject: [C320-list] Asym halyard block or second jib halyard?
>
>
> Pat - I have the perfect solution for you.  This year, I bought a Doyle UPS
> (Universal Power Sail).  It's essentially a
> gennaker, designed along the lines of a Code 0 that the race boats are
> using.  It has a Kevlar luff line and a small
> single line roller furling unit attached to the tack, with the swivel at
> the
> head of the sail.  You tension the halyard a lot with the winch, and
> the non-stretch luff line acts like a forestay.  With it really taut, you
> can sail at 35-40 degrees apparent.  When moving to a broad
> reach, ease the halyard to round the luff and it sails like an asymmetric
> spinnaker.  It's 1.5 ounce nylon, rather than .75 like my A-sail,
> so it hold up in close reaching conditions even as the wind builds.  You
> put
> it up at the dock, furled, and just pull a sheet to deploy it under
> sail.  It furls easily, jibes around the headstay, and can easily be
> handled
> when I'm sailing singlehanded.  And its really pretty . . .
> This past weekend, we were doing 6.6 knots of boat speed in 13 knots of
> wind, with the sheet cleated, just sailing by the luff of the UPS.
> It really likes to beam reach, but will do well out to about 135 degrees
> apparent.  In light air, I wouldn't think of using my 155 genoa when I have
> this sail available.  You can see a nice video of the sail on Doyle's
> website.
> On my boat, the other feature that makes this a great addition to the sail
> inventory is an aftermarket bowsprit.  It extends about 3 ' in front of the
> bowpulpit, and I fly either my UPS or my asymmetric spinnaker from the end
> of the pole.  It really frees the sail from the shadow of the main, and
> makes jibing all that much easier.
> I also have an asymmetric, which I also recommend.  It's bigger and more
> powerful.  But the UPS is MUCH easier to deploy, and functions over
> a much wider range of sailing angles.  The sailmaker at Doyle said that
> sales of the UPS are far outstripping sales of A-sales since they came out
> with them.
> In one of my sailing magazines, it looks like North is now marketing a
> similar sail, calling it a Code C.
> Finally, my boat has a masthead spinnaker crane, with spots for two
> external
> halyard blocks (one for the UPS, one for the A-sail).
> Hope that helps.
> Bill Russell
> Little Wing, Catalina 320 #545
> Cayuga Lake
> Ithaca NY
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>  2. Perkins Raw Water Pump Follow Up (Welch, Myron D)
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>  4. Re: Asym halyard block or second jib halyard? (Pat Ireland)
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> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:43:47 -0700
> From: Pat Ireland <cherie320 at gmail.com>
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> All
>
> Your help is appreciated.  I have two questions.  If you only have one
> light
> air sail, should it be a jib or an asymmetrical spinnaker?  And is it best
> to fly It from a block on a spinnaker crane or is there a second jib
> halyard
> block available.  My pictures of the 320 mast head look like there is only
> one shieve, but the mast drawings show two.  The pictures show a strap that
> centers the furler halyard and it looks like it would block the use of a
> second halyard.  Going to start cruising the 320 site for mast head
> pictures
> next.
>
> When we purchased Cherie, I believed we need better heavy and light air
> sails.  We have the heavy air condition reasonably covered and I'm looking
> to address the light air conditions.  Since the intention is to keep a
> heavy
> air Dacron jib on the head sail furler, the two approaches under
> consideration are 1) use a light weight 150 jib and free fly it on a luff
> wire or rope and 2) use an asymmetrical spinnaker.  The jib would allow us
> to point higher and perform through all points of sail.  Therfore it was my
> original preference.  However, I am concerned that the motion of the boat
> will shake the air out of a jib when we run down wind.  Since reaching and
> running will likely makeup most of of our light air sailing, I am
> reluctant to optimize for windward work at the expense of off the wind
> performance.
>
> And yes, the iron jib works quite well in all of these conditions and may
> well be a better solution, but I would really like to expand our ability to
> sail as the wind drops off.
>
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.  Your input would be helpful.
>
> Pat, 801
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 01:57:42 +0000
> From: "Welch, Myron D" <myron-welch at uiowa.edu>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Perkins Raw Water Pump Follow Up
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> After much work finding a replacement pump, the job is finally done. Some
> of
> you have asked for a follow up.
>
> I found a pump at Diesel Parts Direct for $598 and then Trans Atlantic
> Diesel for $404.  Torresen found it for $237 or $119 for the rebuild kit,
> so
> I had them ship me the new pump. Unfortunately, it was the fresh water
> pump,
> not the raw water. Their supplier would have to have one shipped from
> England at close to $600.
>
> I then purchased the pump from TAD. They shipped part #24950-1701 which
> looked quite different than our #24950-1101. Rather than a round impeller
> cover with 6 screws, it has a shield shape with 3 cap screws (which should
> be easier to change).  Also, unlike our exposed shaft, the shaft is
> completely covered and has 4 weep holes.
>
> After much discussion with the helpful people at TAD, they called England
> and were assured that this is the correct replacement.  I just had to
> remove
> and then install the drive gear on the new pump and it dropped in easily.
>
> I will now rebuild the old pump and keep it for a spare.
>
> I hope this information is helpful to fellow Perkins owners.
>
> Myron Welch
> Wind Instrument #238
> Iowa City, Iowa
>
> Sent from my iPod Touch
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:44:25 -0400
> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Asym halyard block or second jib halyard?
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> A meaningful depends on the strength of your prevailing winds and when
> you sail. We have to take the wind as we find it because our sailing
> opportunities are limited by our work schedules. In this area it is
> not uncommon to go from zip to 20 knots and back in the same day. Some
> our favorite sailing grounds will often see 30 knots. We have a stock
> 135 on the furler and we carry an asymmetrical spinnaker in the
> locker.
>
> There are two forward and two aft sheaves on the mast. We have a
> halyard on the second block and yes there is some contact...I haven't
> noticed much adverse wear, but if we flew it more I would consider a
> crane and a bowsprit.
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Pat Ireland <cherie320 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> All
>>
>> Your help is appreciated. ?I have two questions. ?If you only have one
>> light
>> air sail, should it be a jib or an asymmetrical spinnaker? ?And is it best
>> to fly It from a block on a spinnaker crane or is there a second jib
>> halyard
>> block available. ?My pictures of the 320 mast head look like there is only
>> one shieve, but the mast drawings show two. ?The pictures show a strap
>> that
>> centers the furler halyard and it looks like it would block the use of a
>> second halyard. ?Going to start cruising the 320 site for mast head
>> pictures
>> next.
>>
>> When we purchased Cherie, I believed we need better heavy and light air
>> sails. ?We have the heavy air condition reasonably covered and I'm looking
>> to address the light air conditions. ?Since the intention is to keep a
>> heavy
>> air Dacron jib on the head sail furler, the two approaches under
>> consideration are 1) use a light weight 150 jib and free fly it on a luff
>> wire or rope and 2) use an asymmetrical spinnaker. ?The jib would allow us
>> to point higher and perform through all points of sail. ?Therfore it was
>> my
>> original preference. ?However, I am concerned that the motion of the boat
>> will shake the air out of a jib when we run down wind. ?Since reaching and
>> running will likely makeup most of of our light air sailing, I am
>> reluctant to optimize for windward work at the expense of off the wind
>> performance.
>>
>> And yes, the iron jib works quite well in all of these conditions and may
>> well be a better solution, but I would really like to expand our ability
>> to
>> sail as the wind drops off.
>>
>> Any thoughts would be appreciated. ?Your input would be helpful.
>>
>> Pat, 801
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Chris Burti
> Farmville, NC
>
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> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 21:17:29 -0700
> From: Pat Ireland <cherie320 at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Asym halyard block or second jib halyard?
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> Bert
>
> Thanks - we have similar wind varability and therefore a requirement for a
> wider range of capability.  Found a set of pictures in the 320 gallery.
> Clarifies the configuration at the mast head.  And your experience helps.
> Appreciate the info.
>
> Pat, 801
>
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