[C320-list] Head Oder re-visited

[Pat Ireland]

Jeff thanks you the info - I'm betting you saved me a couple of hours and
some skinned knuckles.

Pat, 801

On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Jeff Hare <catalina at thehares.com> wrote:

> I saw a photo on our website that showed how another member did it.
>
> He poked a hole in the side of the hose near the top and looped a piece of
> strong twine through it. After putting the cabinet in, you can pull the hose
> up. In my case the holes were a close fit so I had to also use pointy pliers
> to help.
>
> Then I cut off the top of the hose with the hole. Needed wire cutters
> because of the wire reinforced hose. There's plenty of extra hose, so no
> worries about shortening it a bit.
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
> Pat Ireland <cherie320 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We plan to figure out this problem tomorrow. The right side gets replaced,
> so it gets fed from the top. The problem is the two hoses on the left.
> Trying messenger lines first. Worst case is to open bottom of cabinet and
> fit facia plate around vent tubes to close opening.
> Now who has the right way to
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 7:50 PM, John Phillippe <phillippe443 at frontier.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Fess Up!
> >
> > So I noticed odder when pumping and thought . . . I'll just pull the med
> > cabinet and check the vent and hoses. Pulling the med cabinet is straight
> > forward UNTIL you consider the four hoses leading to the two air vents
> > (valves). My question is , having removed the two valve "U" shaped
> > fixtures
> > and pushing the four hoses out the bottom of the cabinet to facilitate
> > removal, how can one feed those four hoses back into the cabinet in the
> > assembly process? Take it apart - easy. Putting it back??? So - how do
> > you feed those in from the bottom when there is no access to the bottom?
> I
> > have a 1998. I am reluctant to pull it apart until I can see how it goes
> > back together.
> >
> > John, IL
> > No Worries
> > Lighthouse Landing
> > KY Lake
> >
> >
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> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. Stern anchor (Mike Paris)
> > > 2. Re: Overheating Engine (Jon Vez)
> > > 3. Re: Perkins M30 zinc? (Warren Updike)
> > > 4. Re: Head smell discoveries (Warren Updike)
> > > 5. Re: Perkins M30 zinc? (Jon Vez)
> > > 6. Re: Head smell discoveries (Jack McDonough)
> > > 7. Re: Tampa Area Members (Barbara Uhlman)
> > >
> > >
> > >_____________________________________________
>
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 03:55:40 -0700
> > > From: Mike Paris <mparis495 at gmail.com>
> > > To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > > Subject: [C320-list] Stern anchor
> > > Message-ID: <339C3BFE-7E7E-448C-B931-C94E2953B32E at gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > >
> > > At the Channel Islands in southern Calif, we need to anchor bow and
> stern
> > > often. What anchor set up, for those of you that regularly use a stern
> > > anchor, are you using? Specifically, how much chain? I keep the stern
> > anchor
> > > in a box on the shelf in the starboard lazarette at the stern and feed
> it
> > > directly from there under the rail.
> > >
> > > I had the stern anchor drag severely the other night when the wind
> > shifted to
> > > the beam the other night.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > #734
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >_____________________________________________
>
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 07:10:07 -0400
> > > From: "Jon Vez" <jonvez at comcast.net>
> > > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Overheating Engine
> > > Message-ID: <01dd01cc3d5f$98d9cda0$ca8d68e0$@net>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > > Joe,
> > >
> > > A portable wet/dry shopvac does a great job of cleaning out any water
> and
> > > gunk in the water tanks.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jon Vez
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> > > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
> > > Aberdale
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 9:31 PM
> > > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Overheating Engine
> > >
> > > Hi To All,
> > >
> > > Thanks very much for your responses which were of great help.
> > >
> > > The raw water intake and filter were clean. I removed the water pump
> > > output hose and started the engine. The pump put out plenty of water
> > > and the belts are not slipping. After several starts, I learned that
> > > if I start the engine at mid to 3/4 throttle and let it run at that
> > > rpm for a minute, water is expelled out of the discharge hull
> > > fitting. I can then lower the throttle and it will continue to
> > > discharge. However, if I start the engine at a low throttle setting,
> > > water will not discharge from the hull without revving up the engine
> > > to at least 1/2 throttle. Is this normal?
> > >
> > > Also, regardless of the throttle setting, water discharges from the
> > > hull fitting in spurts EVERY OTHER SECOND - NEVER A CONTINUOUS FLOW.
> > > Is this normal?
> > >
> > > Regarding the fresh water failing to flow through the faucets. I
> > > disassembled the filter by the pump and found it all clogged up with
> > > gunk. After cleaning it and reassembling the filter, water again
> > > refused to come through the faucet. I disassembled the filter again
> > > and found it to be completely blocked again. I obviously have to
> > > drain the water tanks to remove the gunk. Is using a small pump
> > > attached to an electric drill the easiest way to do that?
> > >
> > > Thanks again for your responses.
> > >
> > > Bob - I sail out of Wellfleet. Cape Cod.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > > #908
> > >
> > > On Jul 6, 2011, at 9:28 PM, Robert Seastream wrote:
> > >
> > >> Joe, we're near brothers as I own hull 906. We likely have the
> > >> same (3GM30F) Yanmar engine. It circulates raw seawater over a
> > >> 'heat exchanger'. That exchanger has the coolant/antifreeze in
> > >> it. If you're not seeing raw water expelled out of the discharge
> > >> hull fitting I'd suspect the following in order: The belt (is it
> > >> slipping?), the impeller, or impeller housing (are they drawing
> > >> water?).
> > >>
> > >> As to your freshwater pump problems, I'd look at the pump input
> > >> filter to see if it's clogged. Sux to do, as Catalina placed the
> > >> freshwater pump under the aft bunk. If it's clear, then I'd
> > >> suspect the pump itself. I replaced mine because I wanted a pump
> > >> with a higher GPM output...5.0 vs the 2.? of the original.
> > >>
> > >> We're cruising Casco Bay for the next two weeks, but I can be
> > >> reached (when in range) via my cell at 603-475-4410. Where do you
> > >> hail/sail from?
> > >>
> > >> Bob Seastream WB2DWD
> > >> Intuition # 906
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Jul 6, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Pat Ireland wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Joe - What I know, I learned from this site. Don't be
> > >>> discouraged. It's
> > >>> been a busy weekend.
> > >>>
> > >>> Suggestion for what to do when no one answers immediately. Go to the
> > >>> Catalina 320 International site and click on discussion. There is
> > >>> a link
> > >>> there to the forum posts. On the upper right of that page is a
> > >>> field to
> > >>> input your search criteria. "engine cooling water" or "no
> > >>> water" or
> > >>> "pressure water" are examples that might work.
> > >>>
> > >>> On the engine water problem - Was the water coming out of the
> > >>> exhaust after
> > >>> you changed the impeller a strong or weak flow? If it was weak, you
> > >>> may have a worn pump. If it was strong, then something else like
> > >>> a new clog
> > >>> may be the problem.
> > >>>
> > >>> Several owners have found that sand pulled into the pump has
> > >>> damaged the
> > >>> impeller cover plate enough that replacement is required. It may be
> > >>> possible to polish out scratches and grooves to get a bit of extra
> > >>> life out
> > >>> of the cover.
> > >>>
> > >>> On the pressure water problem - if you are not seeing fresh water
> > >>> in the
> > >>> bilge, you may have the water line valves turned off or the pump
> > >>> may be
> > >>> plugged. There is a screen in the pump intake that may have
> > >>> collected
> > >>> debris and need a cleaning.
> > >>>
> > >>> Good Luck
> > >>>
> > >>> Pat, 801
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Donald Lawson <dnclaws at aol.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Joe
> > >>>> I sail/motor in heavy kelp and eel grass infested areas. Clogs
> > >>>> my intake
> > >>>> thruhull and filter and destroys my impellers. I start at the
> > >>>> thru hull,
> > >>>> intake filter and lines to the pump. If all clear pull the output
> > >>>> line off
> > >>>> the pump, turn engine over and check pump output. If good then go
> > >>>> to the
> > >>>> elbow in the exhaust riser, it might be plugged. If all of that
> > >>>> is good
> > >>>> then???
> > >>>> Don #1005
> > >>>> On Jul 5, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Joseph Aberdale wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Today I started the Yanmar engine in my 2002 C320 and the
> > >>>>> overheating
> > >>>> light and alarm went on. I discovered that engine cooling water
> > >>>> was not
> > >>>> being discharged from the hull but you could see the discharge of
> > >>>> air.
> > >>>> Further investigation revealed that water was being drawn in
> > >>>> through the
> > >>>> intake and getting to the engine. Is the likely problem the water
> > >>>> pump? I
> > >>>> recently installed a new impeller and the engine ran well after
> > >>>> that. How do
> > >>>> I determine if the water pump is bad?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Also, I cannot get water to run out of the galley and bathroom
> > >>>>> faucets.
> > >>>> The tanks are filled and I can hear the water pump operating but
> > >>>> do not get
> > >>>> any running water. Any thoughts on how I should proceed from here?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thank you very much.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Joe
> > >>>>> #908
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_____________________________________________
>
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 08:19:29 -0400
> > > From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> > > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Perkins M30 zinc?
> > > Message-ID: <BAY156-ds5E46E383B411551DEB2BABE400 at phx.gbl>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > So, what happens when a flexible shaft coupling is installed? Does it
> > provide
> > > a way to maintain the bonding?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jeff Hare [mailto:catalina at thehares.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 3:03 PM
> > > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Perkins M30 zinc?
> > >
> > > Our Yanmars don't have zincs. Many other engines don't either. One
> > problem
> > > with zincs is they can crumble and damage the engine water pump. Also
> if
> > the
> > > engine is bonded well to the shaft, these zincs should do the job.
> > >
> > > That's my understanding, but there may be different reasons also.
> > >
> > > -jeff
> > >
> > > jpmesa at aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have noticed some of the Yanmar engine owners talk about engine
> zincs.
> > I
> > > have the older Perkins M30 (Hull #112).
> > > I have looked everywhere on the engine and surrounding area and I
> haven?t
> > > found a zinc.
> > > Any other Perkins owners know if we have one? And if not, why?
> > > Thanks, John Holokai 2
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_____________________________________________
>
> > >
> > > Message: 4
> > > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 08:31:14 -0400
> > > From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> > > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Head smell discoveries
> > > Message-ID: <BAY156-ds16C01B55858E4856DA61BBE400 at phx.gbl>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > > John, there are a number of tank monitors that will do the job. There
> are
> > > those that sense the tank from outside so it is not necessary to
> puncture
> > > the tank. We installed one such when we replaced the tank with the
> > 23gal.
> > > model. Tank shape matters for accuracy; but, just having an indication
> > of
> > > tank fill is a big help. It is usually just the two of us on board when
> > > cruising and the 23 gals. Will last approx. six days.
> > >
> > > Warren & Pattie Updike
> > > 1994 C320 #62 "Warr De Mar"
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Meyers [mailto:jcmeyers7 at gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 9:49 PM
> > > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Head smell discoveries
> > >
> > > Is there a way to tell how full the holding tank is? Is there a dip
> stick
> > or
> > > something.
> > >
> > > John
> > > 406
> > >
> > > On Jul 7, 2011 9:02 PM, "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Jeff,
> > >> On our last outing in 20Plus knot winds, we put the rail in the water.
> > >> Is there a check valve of some sort to prevent water ingress thru the
> > vent
> > >> you installed?
> > >> Irv
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Jeff Hare <catalina at thehares.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I uploaded a few pictures of the vent hose upgrade project to my
> photo
> > >>> gallery.
> > >>>
> > >>> http://tinyurl.com/headupgrades
> > >>>
> > >>> Jeff
> > >>> #809
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_____________________________________________
>
> > >
> > > Message: 5
> > > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:00:58 -0400
> > > From: "Jon Vez" <jonvez at comcast.net>
> > > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Perkins M30 zinc?
> > > Message-ID: <01de01cc3d6f$14fe0e00$3efa2a00$@net>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Warren,
> > >
> > > With a flexible shaft coupling you need to run a jumper wire from one
> > side to
> > > the other to maintain the bonding...
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> > > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Warren
> > Updike
> > > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:19 AM
> > > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Perkins M30 zinc?
> > >
> > > So, what happens when a flexible shaft coupling is installed? Does it
> > provide
> > > a way to maintain the bonding?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jeff Hare [mailto:catalina at thehares.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 3:03 PM
> > > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Perkins M30 zinc?
> > >
> > > Our Yanmars don't have zincs. Many other engines don't either. One
> > problem
> > > with zincs is they can crumble and damage the engine water pump. Also
> if
> > the
> > > engine is bonded well to the shaft, these zincs should do the job.
> > >
> > > That's my understanding, but there may be different reasons also.
> > >
> > > -jeff
> > >
> > > jpmesa at aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have noticed some of the Yanmar engine owners talk about engine
> zincs.
> > I
> > > have the older Perkins M30 (Hull #112).
> > > I have looked everywhere on the engine and surrounding area and I
> haven?t
> > > found a zinc.
> > > Any other Perkins owners know if we have one? And if not, why?
> > > Thanks, John Holokai 2
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_____________________________________________
>
> > >
> > > Message: 6
> > > Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 09:25:45 -0400
> > > From: "Jack McDonough" <mcdonough5 at verizon.net>
> > > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Head smell discoveries
> > > Message-ID: <27A7DFEA64C24E848F76F4CF62D79CE1 at johnf12eb04ca6>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> > > reply-type=original
> > >
> > > John:
> > >
> > > A few years ago, I had the yard install an inspection/cleanout port on
> > the
> > > top of our tank -- similar to one that came with our old 30-foot Cape
> > Dory.
> > > I don't use it often but I find that it's good to have. For one thing,
> > it's
> > > a good way to flush the tank with fresh water if you want to do that
> > before
> > > haul-out. The port is about 5 inches in diameter.
> > >
> > > jack
> > > #947
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Meyers" <jcmeyers7 at gmail.com>
> > > To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 9:48 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Head smell discoveries
> > >
> > >
> > >> Is there a way to tell how full the holding tank is? Is there a dip
> > stick
> > >> or
> > >> something.
> > >>
> > >> John
> > >> 406
> > >>
> > >> On Jul 7, 2011 9:02 PM, "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> Jeff,
> > >>> On our last outing in 20Plus knot winds, we put the rail in the
> water.
> > >>> Is there a check valve of some sort to prevent water ingress thru the
> > >>> vent
> > >>> you installed?
> > >>> Irv
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Jeff Hare <catalina at thehares.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I uploaded a few pictures of the vent hose upgrade project to my
> photo
> > >>>> gallery.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://tinyurl.com/headupgrades
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Jeff
> > >>>> #809
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_____________________________________________
>
> > >
> > > Message: 7
> > > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:53:42 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: Barbara Uhlman <uhlman at sbcglobal.net>
> > > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Tampa Area Members
> > > Message-ID: <1310144022.67026.YahooMailRC at web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> > >
> > > Here is a charter company that operates in Punta Gorda/Burnt Store and
> > new
> > > base
> > > in Tampa Bay.? Friends have used them and like them.
> > > http://www.yachtingvacations.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_____________________________________________
>
> > > From: annika brancato <annikabrancato at hotmail.com>
> > > To: c320-list at catalina320.com
> > > Sent: Thu, July 7, 2011 9:52:05 PM
> > > Subject: [C320-list] Tampa Area Members
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > We sail out of Toronto, Canada and will be in the Tampa/St. Petersburg
> > area
> > > from
> > > July 22 to July 29.? Does anyone know if it's possible to rent a
> sailboat
> > for
> > > a
> > > day in the area.? I know that hubby would love to get out on the water
> if
> > > possible.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Annika Brancato
> > > Snapshot 95
> > >
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