[C320-list] Head Oder re-visited

Sun Jul 10 19:29:56 PDT 2011

Another option is to remove the back of the hanging locker in the aft cabin... about five screws and you can push the hoses through the openings. Just bring a flashlight.

Fred
First Light
#926

> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 09:59:17 -0700
> From: cherie320 at gmail.com
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Head Oder re-visited
> 
> Jeff thanks you the info - I'm betting you saved me a couple of hours and
> some skinned knuckles.
> 
> Pat, 801
> 
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Jeff Hare <catalina at thehares.com> wrote:
> 
> > I saw a photo on our website that showed how another member did it.
> >
> > He poked a hole in the side of the hose near the top and looped a piece of
> > strong twine through it. After putting the cabinet in, you can pull the hose
> > up. In my case the holes were a close fit so I had to also use pointy pliers
> > to help.
> >
> > Then I cut off the top of the hose with the hole. Needed wire cutters
> > because of the wire reinforced hose. There's plenty of extra hose, so no
> > worries about shortening it a bit.
> >
> > -jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > Pat Ireland <cherie320 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > We plan to figure out this problem tomorrow. The right side gets replaced,
> > so it gets fed from the top. The problem is the two hoses on the left.
> > Trying messenger lines first. Worst case is to open bottom of cabinet and
> > fit facia plate around vent tubes to close opening.
> > Now who has the right way to
> > On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 7:50 PM, John Phillippe <phillippe443 at frontier.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Fess Up!
> > >
> > > So I noticed odder when pumping and thought . . . I'll just pull the med
> > > cabinet and check the vent and hoses. Pulling the med cabinet is straight
> > > forward UNTIL you consider the four hoses leading to the two air vents
> > > (valves). My question is , having removed the two valve "U" shaped
> > > fixtures
> > > and pushing the four hoses out the bottom of the cabinet to facilitate
> > > removal, how can one feed those four hoses back into the cabinet in the
> > > assembly process? Take it apart - easy. Putting it back??? So - how do
> > > you feed those in from the bottom when there is no access to the bottom?
> > I
> > > have a 1998. I am reluctant to pull it apart until I can see how it goes
> > > back together.
> > >
> > > John, IL
> > > No Worries
> > > Lighthouse Landing
> > > KY Lake
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/8/11 2:03 PM, "c320-list-request at lists.catalina320.com"
> > > <c320-list-request at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
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> > > > Today's Topics:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Stern anchor (Mike Paris)
> > > > 2. Re: Overheating Engine (Jon Vez)
> > > > 3. Re: Perkins M30 zinc? (Warren Updike)
> > > > 4. Re: Head smell discoveries (Warren Updike)
> > > > 5. Re: Perkins M30 zinc? (Jon Vez)
> > > > 6. Re: Head smell discoveries (Jack McDonough)
> > > > 7. Re: Tampa Area Members (Barbara Uhlman)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >_____________________________________________
> >
> > > >
> > > > Message: 1
> > > > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 03:55:40 -0700
> > > > From: Mike Paris <mparis495 at gmail.com>
> > > > To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > > > Subject: [C320-list] Stern anchor
> > > > Message-ID: <339C3BFE-7E7E-448C-B931-C94E2953B32E at gmail.com>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > > >
> > > > At the Channel Islands in southern Calif, we need to anchor bow and
> > stern
> > > > often. What anchor set up, for those of you that regularly use a stern
> > > > anchor, are you using? Specifically, how much chain? I keep the stern
> > > anchor
> > > > in a box on the shelf in the starboard lazarette at the stern and feed
> > it
> > > > directly from there under the rail.
> > > >
> > > > I had the stern anchor drag severely the other night when the wind
> > > shifted to
> > > > the beam the other night.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > #734
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > >_____________________________________________
> >
> > > >
> > > > Message: 2
> > > > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 07:10:07 -0400
> > > > From: "Jon Vez" <jonvez at comcast.net>
> > > > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Overheating Engine
> > > > Message-ID: <01dd01cc3d5f$98d9cda0$ca8d68e0$@net>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > > >
> > > > Joe,
> > > >
> > > > A portable wet/dry shopvac does a great job of cleaning out any water
> > and
> > > > gunk in the water tanks.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Jon Vez
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> > > > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
> > > > Aberdale
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 9:31 PM
> > > > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Overheating Engine
> > > >
> > > > Hi To All,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks very much for your responses which were of great help.
> > > >
> > > > The raw water intake and filter were clean. I removed the water pump
> > > > output hose and started the engine. The pump put out plenty of water
> > > > and the belts are not slipping. After several starts, I learned that
> > > > if I start the engine at mid to 3/4 throttle and let it run at that
> > > > rpm for a minute, water is expelled out of the discharge hull
> > > > fitting. I can then lower the throttle and it will continue to
> > > > discharge. However, if I start the engine at a low throttle setting,
> > > > water will not discharge from the hull without revving up the engine
> > > > to at least 1/2 throttle. Is this normal?
> > > >
> > > > Also, regardless of the throttle setting, water discharges from the
> > > > hull fitting in spurts EVERY OTHER SECOND - NEVER A CONTINUOUS FLOW.
> > > > Is this normal?
> > > >
> > > > Regarding the fresh water failing to flow through the faucets. I
> > > > disassembled the filter by the pump and found it all clogged up with
> > > > gunk. After cleaning it and reassembling the filter, water again
> > > > refused to come through the faucet. I disassembled the filter again
> > > > and found it to be completely blocked again. I obviously have to
> > > > drain the water tanks to remove the gunk. Is using a small pump
> > > > attached to an electric drill the easiest way to do that?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again for your responses.
> > > >
> > > > Bob - I sail out of Wellfleet. Cape Cod.
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > > #908
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 6, 2011, at 9:28 PM, Robert Seastream wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Joe, we're near brothers as I own hull 906. We likely have the
> > > >> same (3GM30F) Yanmar engine. It circulates raw seawater over a
> > > >> 'heat exchanger'. That exchanger has the coolant/antifreeze in
> > > >> it. If you're not seeing raw water expelled out of the discharge
> > > >> hull fitting I'd suspect the following in order: The belt (is it
> > > >> slipping?), the impeller, or impeller housing (are they drawing
> > > >> water?).
> > > >>
> > > >> As to your freshwater pump problems, I'd look at the pump input
> > > >> filter to see if it's clogged. Sux to do, as Catalina placed the
> > > >> freshwater pump under the aft bunk. If it's clear, then I'd
> > > >> suspect the pump itself. I replaced mine because I wanted a pump
> > > >> with a higher GPM output...5.0 vs the 2.? of the original.
> > > >>
> > > >> We're cruising Casco Bay for the next two weeks, but I can be
> > > >> reached (when in range) via my cell at 603-475-4410. Where do you
> > > >> hail/sail from?
> > > >>
> > > >> Bob Seastream WB2DWD
> > > >> Intuition # 906
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Jul 6, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Pat Ireland wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Joe - What I know, I learned from this site. Don't be
> > > >>> discouraged. It's
> > > >>> been a busy weekend.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Suggestion for what to do when no one answers immediately. Go to the
> > > >>> Catalina 320 International site and click on discussion. There is
> > > >>> a link
> > > >>> there to the forum posts. On the upper right of that page is a
> > > >>> field to
> > > >>> input your search criteria. "engine cooling water" or "no
> > > >>> water" or
> > > >>> "pressure water" are examples that might work.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On the engine water problem - Was the water coming out of the
> > > >>> exhaust after
> > > >>> you changed the impeller a strong or weak flow? If it was weak, you
> > > >>> may have a worn pump. If it was strong, then something else like
> > > >>> a new clog
> > > >>> may be the problem.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Several owners have found that sand pulled into the pump has
> > > >>> damaged the
> > > >>> impeller cover plate enough that replacement is required. It may be
> > > >>> possible to polish out scratches and grooves to get a bit of extra
> > > >>> life out
> > > >>> of the cover.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On the pressure water problem - if you are not seeing fresh water
> > > >>> in the
> > > >>> bilge, you may have the water line valves turned off or the pump
> > > >>> may be
> > > >>> plugged. There is a screen in the pump intake that may have
> > > >>> collected
> > > >>> debris and need a cleaning.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Good Luck
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Pat, 801
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Donald Lawson <dnclaws at aol.com>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Joe
> > > >>>> I sail/motor in heavy kelp and eel grass infested areas. Clogs
> > > >>>> my intake
> > > >>>> thruhull and filter and destroys my impellers. I start at the
> > > >>>> thru hull,
> > > >>>> intake filter and lines to the pump. If all clear pull the output
> > > >>>> line off
> > > >>>> the pump, turn engine over and check pump output. If good then go
> > > >>>> to the
> > > >>>> elbow in the exhaust riser, it might be plugged. If all of that
> > > >>>> is good
> > > >>>> then???
> > > >>>> Don #1005
> > > >>>> On Jul 5, 2011, at 7:01 PM, Joseph Aberdale wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Today I started the Yanmar engine in my 2002 C320 and the
> > > >>>>> overheating
> > > >>>> light and alarm went on. I discovered that engine cooling water
> > > >>>> was not
> > > >>>> being discharged from the hull but you could see the discharge of
> > > >>>> air.
> > > >>>> Further investigation revealed that water was being drawn in
> > > >>>> through the
> > > >>>> intake and getting to the engine. Is the likely problem the water
> > > >>>> pump? I
> > > >>>> recently installed a new impeller and the engine ran well after
> > > >>>> that. How do
> > > >>>> I determine if the water pump is bad?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Also, I cannot get water to run out of the galley and bathroom
> > > >>>>> faucets.
> > > >>>> The tanks are filled and I can hear the water pump operating but
> > > >>>> do not get
> > > >>>> any running water. Any thoughts on how I should proceed from here?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Thank you very much.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Joe
> > > >>>>> #908
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >_____________________________________________
> >
> > > >
> > > > Message: 3
> > > > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 08:19:29 -0400
> > > > From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Perkins M30 zinc?
> > > > Message-ID: <BAY156-ds5E46E383B411551DEB2BABE400 at phx.gbl>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > > >
> > > > So, what happens when a flexible shaft coupling is installed? Does it
> > > provide
> > > > a way to maintain the bonding?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jeff Hare [mailto:catalina at thehares.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 3:03 PM
> > > > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Perkins M30 zinc?
> > > >
> > > > Our Yanmars don't have zincs. Many other engines don't either. One
> > > problem
> > > > with zincs is they can crumble and damage the engine water pump. Also
> > if
> > > the
> > > > engine is bonded well to the shaft, these zincs should do the job.
> > > >
> > > > That's my understanding, but there may be different reasons also.
> > > >
> > > > -jeff
> > > >
> > > > jpmesa at aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have noticed some of the Yanmar engine owners talk about engine
> > zincs.
> > > I
> > > > have the older Perkins M30 (Hull #112).
> > > > I have looked everywhere on the engine and surrounding area and I
> > haven?t
> > > > found a zinc.
> > > > Any other Perkins owners know if we have one? And if not, why?
> > > > Thanks, John Holokai 2
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >_____________________________________________
> >
> > > >
> > > > Message: 4
> > > > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 08:31:14 -0400
> > > > From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Head smell discoveries
> > > > Message-ID: <BAY156-ds16C01B55858E4856DA61BBE400 at phx.gbl>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> > > >
> > > > John, there are a number of tank monitors that will do the job. There
> > are
> > > > those that sense the tank from outside so it is not necessary to
> > puncture
> > > > the tank. We installed one such when we replaced the tank with the
> > > 23gal.
> > > > model. Tank shape matters for accuracy; but, just having an indication
> > > of
> > > > tank fill is a big help. It is usually just the two of us on board when
> > > > cruising and the 23 gals. Will last approx. six days.
> > > >
> > > > Warren & Pattie Updike
> > > > 1994 C320 #62 "Warr De Mar"
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: John Meyers [mailto:jcmeyers7 at gmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 9:49 PM
> > > > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Head smell discoveries
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to tell how full the holding tank is? Is there a dip
> > stick
> > > or
> > > > something.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > > 406
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 7, 2011 9:02 PM, "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> Jeff,
> > > >> On our last outing in 20Plus knot winds, we put the rail in the water.
> > > >> Is there a check valve of some sort to prevent water ingress thru the
> > > vent
> > > >> you installed?
> > > >> Irv
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Jeff Hare <catalina at thehares.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I uploaded a few pictures of the vent hose upgrade project to my
> > photo
> > > >>> gallery.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> http://tinyurl.com/headupgrades
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Jeff
> > > >>> #809
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >_____________________________________________
> >
> > > >
> > > > Message: 5
> > > > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:00:58 -0400
> > > > From: "Jon Vez" <jonvez at comcast.net>
> > > > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Perkins M30 zinc?
> > > > Message-ID: <01de01cc3d6f$14fe0e00$3efa2a00$@net>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > > >
> > > > Warren,
> > > >
> > > > With a flexible shaft coupling you need to run a jumper wire from one
> > > side to
> > > > the other to maintain the bonding...
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> > > > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Warren
> > > Updike
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:19 AM
> > > > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Perkins M30 zinc?
> > > >
> > > > So, what happens when a flexible shaft coupling is installed? Does it
> > > provide
> > > > a way to maintain the bonding?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jeff Hare [mailto:catalina at thehares.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 3:03 PM
> > > > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Perkins M30 zinc?
> > > >
> > > > Our Yanmars don't have zincs. Many other engines don't either. One
> > > problem
> > > > with zincs is they can crumble and damage the engine water pump. Also
> > if
> > > the
> > > > engine is bonded well to the shaft, these zincs should do the job.
> > > >
> > > > That's my understanding, but there may be different reasons also.
> > > >
> > > > -jeff
> > > >
> > > > jpmesa at aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have noticed some of the Yanmar engine owners talk about engine
> > zincs.
> > > I
> > > > have the older Perkins M30 (Hull #112).
> > > > I have looked everywhere on the engine and surrounding area and I
> > haven?t
> > > > found a zinc.
> > > > Any other Perkins owners know if we have one? And if not, why?
> > > > Thanks, John Holokai 2
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >_____________________________________________
> >
> > > >
> > > > Message: 6
> > > > Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 09:25:45 -0400
> > > > From: "Jack McDonough" <mcdonough5 at verizon.net>
> > > > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Head smell discoveries
> > > > Message-ID: <27A7DFEA64C24E848F76F4CF62D79CE1 at johnf12eb04ca6>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
> > > > reply-type=original
> > > >
> > > > John:
> > > >
> > > > A few years ago, I had the yard install an inspection/cleanout port on
> > > the
> > > > top of our tank -- similar to one that came with our old 30-foot Cape
> > > Dory.
> > > > I don't use it often but I find that it's good to have. For one thing,
> > > it's
> > > > a good way to flush the tank with fresh water if you want to do that
> > > before
> > > > haul-out. The port is about 5 inches in diameter.
> > > >
> > > > jack
> > > > #947
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Meyers" <jcmeyers7 at gmail.com>
> > > > To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 9:48 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Head smell discoveries
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Is there a way to tell how full the holding tank is? Is there a dip
> > > stick
> > > >> or
> > > >> something.
> > > >>
> > > >> John
> > > >> 406
> > > >>
> > > >> On Jul 7, 2011 9:02 PM, "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> Jeff,
> > > >>> On our last outing in 20Plus knot winds, we put the rail in the
> > water.
> > > >>> Is there a check valve of some sort to prevent water ingress thru the
> > > >>> vent
> > > >>> you installed?
> > > >>> Irv
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Jeff Hare <catalina at thehares.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> I uploaded a few pictures of the vent hose upgrade project to my
> > photo
> > > >>>> gallery.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> http://tinyurl.com/headupgrades
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Jeff
> > > >>>> #809
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >_____________________________________________
> >
> > > >
> > > > Message: 7
> > > > Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 09:53:42 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > From: Barbara Uhlman <uhlman at sbcglobal.net>
> > > > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Tampa Area Members
> > > > Message-ID: <1310144022.67026.YahooMailRC at web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> > > >
> > > > Here is a charter company that operates in Punta Gorda/Burnt Store and
> > > new
> > > > base
> > > > in Tampa Bay.? Friends have used them and like them.
> > > > http://www.yachtingvacations.com/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >_____________________________________________
> >
> > > > From: annika brancato <annikabrancato at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: c320-list at catalina320.com
> > > > Sent: Thu, July 7, 2011 9:52:05 PM
> > > > Subject: [C320-list] Tampa Area Members
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > We sail out of Toronto, Canada and will be in the Tampa/St. Petersburg
> > > area
> > > > from
> > > > July 22 to July 29.? Does anyone know if it's possible to rent a
> > sailboat
> > > for
> > > > a
> > > > day in the area.? I know that hubby would love to get out on the water
> > if
> > > > possible.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Annika Brancato
> > > > Snapshot 95
> > > >
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