[C320-list] Changing the RACOR and Secondary fuel filters.
Paul Rickman
ilove2sail at verizon.net
Mon Mar 21 12:58:23 PDT 2011
Pat -- the shut off for the fuel is on top of the fuel tank.
It turns about 1/4 to 1/2 then it is off. I routinely do this
for winter storage. There is a drain on the bottom of the
RACOR. I use a plastic lid from my wasp repellent.
I dump that and the fuel from the RACOR filter into
my waste oil and then dump that at an oil disposal site.
the RACOR is gravity fed so after changing the fuel filter
open the bleed screw on top of the RACOR and when
fuel comes out, it is full. After changing the other filter,
and all is back together I use the lever on the motor pump
to pump fuel up to the filter. With the bleed screw open,
when fuel comes out it is full. It is possible that some air
can remain, so you may need to bleed a second time.
Usually that does it for me. Use lots of paper towels
or diapers or what ever works for you.
Paul
Affinity 657
Bay Bridge Marina
Chesapeake Bay Maryland
________________________________
From: Pat Kenefick <pkenefick at embarqmail.com>
To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
Sent: Mon, March 21, 2011 3:15:00 PM
Subject: [C320-list] Changing the RACOR and Secondary fuel filters.
I have always had my mechanic do this work and foolishly failed to pay
attention. Now that I am 1000 miles away from him I need to do this job.
First, I assume that you need to shut off the fuel pump - where is that located
?
When you drain the Racor do you discard that fuel or put in back in after
changing the filter ? Obviously if the fuel looks to be clean and clear
Secondary filter - is there a drain or simply pull out the filter and replace it
?
After changing both filters I know that you have to prime the lines - any
special instructions in that dept. ?
Pat Kenefick
C- 320 Cynthia Gale
Hull 833
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> 1. Re: Leaking emergency rudder deck plate. (Karl Mielenhausen _/))
> 2. Washdown Pump (Karl Mielenhausen _/))
> 3. Re: throttle walk (jim brown)
> 4. Re: Leaking emergency rudder deck plate. (wflowe3 at aim.com)
> 5. Re: Battery Bank Upgrade - Which starting battery??
> (Warren Updike)
> 6. Re: throttle walk (Warren Updike)
> 7. Re: Washdown Pump (John Frost)
> 8. Re: racor primary fuel filter (David Swanson)
> 9. Re: racor primary fuel filter (hcreech at comcast.net)
> 10. Re: racor primary fuel filter (David Swanson)
> 11. Re: racor primary fuel filter (jim brown)
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:51:57 -0400
> From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/)" <C320 at suddenlink.net>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Leaking emergency rudder deck plate.
> Message-ID: <op.vso10vj55hwcq0 at toshiba>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed;
> delsp=yes
>
> Make sure the depression for the handle is not cracked. That was the
> source of mine leaking. Probably freezing water. Depression would collect
> rainwater and eventually seep through the crack. Repaired once then bought
> a new cover plate.
>
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:53:49 -0400, Dingo Is Talent
> <dingoistalent at bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> I HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM...on HULL 1150
>> Love to know
>> DINGO
>> PERTH...WESTERN AUSTRALIA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of P & B
>> Sheerin
>> Sent: Monday, 21 March 2011 2:35 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Leaking emergency rudder deck plate.
>>
>> Does anyone experience this with their boat. We have continual water
>> ingress
>> into the emergency tiller well. It appears to be somehow getting through
>> the
>> deck plate. I've replaced the rubber sealer and also the handle o rings.
>> Also tried different profile rubber sealer (square and round) To no
>> avail.
>> Does anyone have the answer?
>> Peter "Jaraman" 1096.
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:53:39 -0400
> From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/)" <C320 at suddenlink.net>
> To: "C320IA Discussion List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Washdown Pump
> Message-ID: <op.vso13pmt5hwcq0 at toshiba>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed;
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>
> Thinking of adding anchor washdown this Spring??
> Check out this deal...
>http://www.amazon.com/Jabsco-31700-0092-Washdown-4-3-GPM-12-Volt/dp/B000O8D5N2/?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=dealnewscom
>m
>
> -- Karl
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 05:53:50 -0700 (PDT)
> From: jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] throttle walk
> Message-ID: <264667.51191.qm at web58601.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I think almost everyone has had this problem. Two fixes. One is to replace the
> clutch inside the binnacle. The other is to put a U clamp on the cable (I
> suspect that is the drag clamp mentioned) and tighten it until the throttle no
> longer walks. The first fix takes time and will eventually begin to walk
again.
> The second works but remember to change the position of the clamp a couple of
> times a season since the wire inside the plastic sheath will eventually wear
> through and cause the opposite problem (very hard to move)
>
> Jim Brown
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: John Scott <jcscott at cpsc.com>
> To: C320-list at catalina320.com
> Cc: John Scott <jcscott at cpsc.com>
> Sent: Sun, March 20, 2011 10:40:57 PM
> Subject: [C320-list] throttle walk
>
> I just had a recent survey on my "new" 1993 320. The surveyor reported that
>she
> had "throttle walk". That is, the throttle wanted to seek low speed and
walked
> its way from full on to a lower speed without holding where it was set. Has
> anyone had this problem? The surveyor said that I should install a "cable
drag
> clamp" on the throttle cable. I've checked online and can't find this part.
> Nor can I find any reference to it. Any ideas? Thanks, in advance, for your
> help.
>
> John Scott
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:29:39 -0400 (EDT)
> From: wflowe3 at aim.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Leaking emergency rudder deck plate.
> Message-ID: <8CDB5E329897F88-C14-2D400 at webmail-m126.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>
> I have the same problem on hull 1146. I tried re-caulking the screw heads but
>that didn't help. Santa got me a new fixture but I haven't installed it yet,
>once I do and we go through some precipitation events, I'll let you know if
>there is any improvement. In the meantime, I kept antifreeze in the well over
>the winter.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: P & B Sheerin <sheerinp at bigpond.net.au>
> To: C320-List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Mon, Mar 21, 2011 1:35 am
> Subject: [C320-list] Leaking emergency rudder deck plate.
>
>
> Does anyone experience this with their boat. We have continual water ingress
> into the emergency tiller well. It appears to be somehow getting through the
> deck plate. I've replaced the rubber sealer and also the handle o rings. Also
> tried different profile rubber sealer (square and round) To no avail. Does
> anyone have the answer?
> Peter "Jaraman" 1096.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:41:32 -0400
> From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Battery Bank Upgrade - Which starting
> battery??
> Message-ID: <BAY156-ds1328084F74907296ED6DD2BEB50 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Alan, the fuse I installed with my battery upgrade is 150A on the
> recommendation of my technical advisor (thanks, Jeff.) The 80A fuse on the
> engine, I mentioned earlier, is in the glow plug circuit (I think.) In the
> Perkins Shop Manual, the 540A under load is the max design spec for the
> starter. In normal operation, it wouldn't/shouldn't get anywhere near that.
>
> I recently saw the in-line fuse holder you mention. First online somewhere
> online then ran across it in WM. Really a simple way to fuse the battery
> without separate mount and extra wires.
>
> And, yes, GenuineDealz.com is a great resource. I had them make all my new
> cables at a fraction of the cost of having them done locally; and,
> turnaround is fast. They are very accommodating and quick to reply. I
> highly recommend them. Since then, I went in with two other owners and
> bought a hydraulic crimper for about $60 at HarborFreight.com It's quite
> easy to use and does a great job. It makes properly sizing cable length a
> snap. I also bought a ratcheting crimper at HF for the small connectors.
> I'm now self-sufficient for making all onboard connections.
>
> Warren & Pattie Updike
> 1994 C320 #62 "Warr De Mar"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Goodman [mailto:goodmanalanlee at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 3:55 PM
> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Battery Bank Upgrade - Which starting battery??
>
>
>
> Karl and Warren: Thank you for the advice. It seemed that 500+ amps was
> excessive, maybe I am reading the Perkins shop book incorrectly (Warren, see
> Electrical Section VI, the table titled "Starter Motor Specifications" which
> I think says "60 amps or less non-loading" and "540 amps or less loading".
> I assume un-loading is just cranking the starter and loading is starter and
> engine?). Anyway, you both recommend 300 amps or less, so I'll go with that
> recommendation. Warren, next time you are at your boat, would you please
> check the rating of the fuse you have installed. Karl, I saw the 'post
> mounted fuse' in the Blue Sea catalog and thought "way cool !!". But I
> needed to extend the length of my "+" cable going to the new start battery
> location, so using the in-line fuse holder as a 'junction' allowed me to
> easily add 12 inches length to the cable (I had "Genuine Dealz" make me the
> cable with the terminals and shrink tube all fabricated ... excellent place
> to by electrical stuff). About 40 days to go until launch !!!!! Alan;
> Hull #67; Holland MI
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:55:35 -0400
> From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] throttle walk
> Message-ID: <BAY156-ds187295497941DF2DA7DD23BEB50 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> John, the proper fix is to remove the compass and you'll find a hex-head
> screw that bears on the shaft of the throttle lever. Simply tighten until
> the throttle movement is stiff. Since we should be going into the binnacle
> on a regular basis (I do mine about every other year,) to perform the
> recommended Edson maintenance, a regular adjustment of the throttle tension
> shouldn't be an effort. Every other year, I remove the cover in the aft
> cabin to lube and adjust the cables. EdsonMarine.com has maintenance info
> online. I would strongly advise against a cable clamp near the engine.
> As a new owner, you'll find this list an indispensible resource in keeping
> your "new" 320 in good shape. Someone is always lurking who has encountered
> your issue.
>
> Warren & Pattie Updike
> 1994 C320 #62 "Warr De Mar"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Scott [mailto:jcscott at cpsc.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 10:41 PM
> To: C320-list at catalina320.com
> Cc: John Scott
> Subject: [C320-list] throttle walk
>
> I just had a recent survey on my "new" 1993 320. The surveyor
> reported that she had "throttle walk". That is, the throttle wanted
> to seek low speed and walked its way from full on to a lower speed
> without holding where it was set. Has anyone had this problem? The
> surveyor said that I should install a "cable drag clamp" on the
> throttle cable. I've checked online and can't find this part. Nor
> can I find any reference to it. Any ideas? Thanks, in advance, for
> your help.
>
> John Scott
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:56:18 -0500
> From: "John Frost" <john at frostnet.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Washdown Pump
> Message-ID: <013e01cbe7cf$c44565c0$4cd03140$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Excellent. I just ordered it.
>
> ....Now...if Amazon would just install...
>
> Happy Sailing!
>
> John
> 2007 C320MKII
> Hull 1118
> Guntersville, AL
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Karl
> Mielenhausen _/)
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 7:54 AM
> To: C320IA Discussion List
> Subject: [C320-list] Washdown Pump
>
> Thinking of adding anchor washdown this Spring??
> Check out this deal...
> http://www.amazon.com/Jabsco-31700-0092-Washdown-4-3-GPM-12-Volt/dp/B000O8D5
> N2/?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=dealnewscom
>
> -- Karl
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 07:15:27 -0700
> From: David Swanson <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] racor primary fuel filter
> Message-ID: <4234AD4F-B263-4270-BB66-CD3213E8C3A0 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I just changed my fuel filters and bled my fuel system of air yesterday.
>
> Im not sure what the plastic screw is, I was wondering the same thing... The
>bolt is the bleed vent.
>
> I replaced my filter with the Racor R20U filter. This is also a 10 micron
>filter. My boat came with a 10 micron filter as well.
>
> The mechanic at the local Yanmar distributor said that given the small fuel
>usages rates of these small sailboat engines, you could use a primary filter
>down to the 2 micron size, although it would be overkill since the engine
>mounted secondary fuel filter is 2 microns.
>
> Anyway, I just changed mine, bled the air from the system using the Racor
>filter housing hand operated fueld priming pump, and all is well now.
>
> Dave
>
> David Swanson
> S/V Emily Ann
> 2007 C320 MK II, No. 1107
> Mukilteo, WA
>
> On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:45 PM, jim brown wrote:
>
>> What is the nylon slotted screw on the top of the fuel filter housing for? I
>> can't remember whether this is the bleed screw or the bolt is the bleed vent.
>> Also, Yanmar recommends that the primary filter be 30 u but mine boat came
>with
>> a 10 u filter. No problems with the 10 but just curious since the fuel rate
>is
>> listed a different in the Racor informtion.
>>
>>
>> Jim Brown
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>
> David Swanson
> kswanson123 at comcast.net
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:25:27 +0000 (UTC)
> From: hcreech at comcast.net
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] racor primary fuel filter
> Message-ID:
><1094306258.1364020.1300717527175.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
>>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> David,
> The nylon screw is a manual hand pump. If you get an air lock from the tank to
>the filter this pump will "break" the lock.
>
>
> Herb Creech
> Cloud Chaser 606
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Swanson" <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 10:15:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] racor primary fuel filter
>
> I just changed my fuel filters and bled my fuel system of air yesterday.
>
> Im not sure what the plastic screw is, I was wondering the same thing... The
>bolt is the bleed vent.
>
> I replaced my filter with the Racor R20U filter. This is also a 10 micron
>filter. My boat came with a 10 micron filter as well.
>
> The mechanic at the local Yanmar distributor said that given the small fuel
>usages rates of these small sailboat engines, you could use a primary filter
>down to the 2 micron size, although it would be overkill since the engine
>mounted secondary fuel filter is 2 microns.
>
> Anyway, I just changed mine, bled the air from the system using the Racor
>filter housing hand operated fueld priming pump, and all is well now.
>
> Dave
>
> David Swanson
> S/V Emily Ann
> 2007 C320 MK II, No. 1107
> Mukilteo, WA
>
> On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:45 PM, jim brown wrote:
>
>> What is the nylon slotted screw on the top of the fuel filter housing for? I
>> can't remember whether this is the bleed screw or the bolt is the bleed vent.
>> Also, Yanmar recommends that the primary filter be 30 u but mine boat came
>with
>> a 10 u filter. No problems with the 10 but just curious since the fuel rate
is
>> listed a different in the Racor informtion.
>>
>>
>> Jim Brown
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>
> David Swanson
> kswanson123 at comcast.net
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 07:29:51 -0700
> From: David Swanson <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] racor primary fuel filter
> Message-ID: <AD9E38A1-CF12-452D-846B-7F6E18487BF8 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Yea I know. The hand pump is the one with the knurled plastic knob. However,
>there is another recessed nylon screw next to the hand pump. That is the one
>that I am not sure what it does. I was guessing that this is the one Jim Brown
>was also asking about.
>
> Dave
>
> David Swanson
> S/V Emily Ann
> 2007 C320 MK II, No. 1107
> Mukilteo, WA
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2011, at 7:25 AM, hcreech at comcast.net wrote:
>
>> David,
>> The nylon screw is a manual hand pump. If you get an air lock from the tank to
>>the filter this pump will "break" the lock.
>>
>>
>> Herb Creech
>> Cloud Chaser 606
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Swanson" <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 10:15:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] racor primary fuel filter
>>
>> I just changed my fuel filters and bled my fuel system of air yesterday.
>>
>> Im not sure what the plastic screw is, I was wondering the same thing... The
>>bolt is the bleed vent.
>>
>> I replaced my filter with the Racor R20U filter. This is also a 10 micron
>>filter. My boat came with a 10 micron filter as well.
>>
>> The mechanic at the local Yanmar distributor said that given the small fuel
>>usages rates of these small sailboat engines, you could use a primary filter
>>down to the 2 micron size, although it would be overkill since the engine
>>mounted secondary fuel filter is 2 microns.
>>
>> Anyway, I just changed mine, bled the air from the system using the Racor
>>filter housing hand operated fueld priming pump, and all is well now.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> David Swanson
>> S/V Emily Ann
>> 2007 C320 MK II, No. 1107
>> Mukilteo, WA
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:45 PM, jim brown wrote:
>>
>>> What is the nylon slotted screw on the top of the fuel filter housing for? I
>>> can't remember whether this is the bleed screw or the bolt is the bleed
vent.
>>> Also, Yanmar recommends that the primary filter be 30 u but mine boat came
>>with
>>> a 10 u filter. No problems with the 10 but just curious since the fuel rate
>is
>>> listed a different in the Racor informtion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Brown
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> David Swanson
>> kswanson123 at comcast.net
>>
>>
>>
>
> David Swanson
> kswanson123 at comcast.net
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:43:10 -0700 (PDT)
> From: jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] racor primary fuel filter
> Message-ID: <671719.66420.qm at web58603.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> It was. Also is there a gasket in the secondary fuel filter and if so should
it
> be replaced each time? It does not come with the filter. I suspect it has a
> separate part number.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David Swanson <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Sent: Mon, March 21, 2011 10:29:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] racor primary fuel filter
>
> Yea I know. The hand pump is the one with the knurled plastic knob. However,
> there is another recessed nylon screw next to the hand pump. That is the one
> that I am not sure what it does. I was guessing that this is the one Jim
Brown
> was also asking about.
>
>
> Dave
>
> David Swanson
> S/V Emily Ann
> 2007 C320 MK II, No. 1107
> Mukilteo, WA
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2011, at 7:25 AM, hcreech at comcast.net wrote:
>
>> David,
>> The nylon screw is a manual hand pump. If you get an air lock from the tank
to
>> the filter this pump will "break" the lock.
>>
>>
>>
>> Herb Creech
>> Cloud Chaser 606
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Swanson" <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 10:15:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] racor primary fuel filter
>>
>> I just changed my fuel filters and bled my fuel system of air yesterday.
>>
>> Im not sure what the plastic screw is, I was wondering the same thing... The
>> bolt is the bleed vent.
>>
>>
>> I replaced my filter with the Racor R20U filter. This is also a 10 micron
>> filter. My boat came with a 10 micron filter as well.
>>
>>
>> The mechanic at the local Yanmar distributor said that given the small fuel
>> usages rates of these small sailboat engines, you could use a primary filter
>> down to the 2 micron size, although it would be overkill since the engine
>> mounted secondary fuel filter is 2 microns.
>>
>>
>> Anyway, I just changed mine, bled the air from the system using the Racor
>> filter housing hand operated fueld priming pump, and all is well now.
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> David Swanson
>> S/V Emily Ann
>> 2007 C320 MK II, No. 1107
>> Mukilteo, WA
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:45 PM, jim brown wrote:
>>
>>> What is the nylon slotted screw on the top of the fuel filter housing for? I
>>> can't remember whether this is the bleed screw or the bolt is the bleed
vent.
>
>>> Also, Yanmar recommends that the primary filter be 30 u but mine boat came
>>with
>>>
>>> a 10 u filter. No problems with the 10 but just curious since the fuel rate
>is
>>
>>> listed a different in the Racor informtion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Brown
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> David Swanson
>> kswanson123 at comcast.net
>>
>>
>>
>
> David Swanson
> kswanson123 at comcast.net
>
>
>
>
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