[C320-list] fin vs. wing keel

[pat reynolds]

Phrf base handicap assumes a folding prop.  I always hoped to get credit for a wing keel but I also have a 156 base

with Lake Michigan Phrf


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From: Andrew Santangelo <andrew_santangelo at mac.com>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] fin vs. wing keel

Believe it or not I reported my changes to PHRF (folding prop and change to the fin keel) and I got no time hit!  If anything I was punished for doing nothing before hand.  My Handicap is 156.


Best Regards,
Andrew


C320
"Dawn Treader"
#333
San Francisco




On Nov 7, 2011, at 5:51 PM, pat reynolds wrote:

> if you are getting 3 seconds credit for a fixed prop, the gain with a folding prop well compensates for that 3 seconds.
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rick Evans <ericstillwellevans at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 2:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] fin vs. wing keel
> 
> Yep I knew they were lighter.
> 
> I purchased the tackle to fit a backstay adjuster not hydralic and the prop
> is on my list although I am unsure if it is beneficial I think my rating is
> penalized 3 seconds for that.
> 
> Question on downwind. Did you lossen the headstay a lot to expand the gap
> when you move the mast forward?
> 
> Thanks
> Rick
> 724
> 
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Andrew Santangelo <andrew_santangelo at mac.com
>> wrote:
> 
>> Rick,
>> 
>> The fin keel boats are actually lighter than the wing keel version by
>> about 400 lbs.  For our downwind performance we went with a hydraulic
>> backstay - this helped greatly.
>> 
>> Of course don't forget a folding prop.  We use an Autoprop.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Andrew
>> 
>> 
>> C320
>> "Dawn Treader"
>> #333
>> San Francisco
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 7, 2011, at 2:11 PM, Rick Evans wrote:
>> 
>>> Just going to quickly chime in.
>>> 
>>> I have one of the few 6'3" Fin keels on the East coast especially in the
>>> western LI sound.
>>> 
>>> I have raced against the Wing keel. My boat points about 5 to 10 degrees
>>> higher and is much faster up wind. Down wind the Wing Keel Often caught
>> me,
>>> I believe due to less wetted area and a slight weight advantage.
>>> 
>>> As anything in any boat there are pros and cons weigh them and you have
>>> your answer.
>>> 
>>> I bought my wing for a few reasons:
>>> 
>>>  1. I got it way under market value I believe a major factor was because
>>>  the Fin keel is less desirable in my area
>>>  2. I race my boat more than I cruise and she is a rocket ship up wind.
>> I
>>>  am still playing with every single trick to get her to move down wind.
>>>  3. Racing was more important than cruising.
>>> 
>>> In short if I had no intention of racing I would probably have gone with
>> a
>>> wing keel.
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 724
>> 
>> 
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