[C320-list] Mailing List or Forum

Mon Jul 16 13:17:22 PDT 2012

Hi All,

Great topic. I'm following the discussion closely. 

Everyone is encouraged to offer their thoughts or email me, our Webmaster, or the Board directly. 

Sean
Commodore C320IA

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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Mailing List or Forum (Gmail)
  2. Re: Mailing List or Forum (Tony Murphy)
  3. Re: Mailing List or Forum (Jack Russ)
  4. C320 Mail List Improvements (resloat)
  5. Re: Mailing List or Forum (Charles Greenwell)
  6. Re: Mailing List or Forum (Joseph R Aberdale)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 06:54:54 -0400
From: Gmail <norsknic at gmail.com>
To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Cc: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mailing List or Forum
Message-ID: <45F6B197-5FEB-42ED-9C86-80E96FA31A93 at gmail.com>
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Don't change, this works great!

On Jul 15, 2012, at 11:17 PM, Christopher Nichols <cinichols at btinternet.com> wrote:

> 
> Jeff, happy to continue as is.
> Those who find it is too much can easily set up a secondary email account for ass c320 material
> 
> 
> Chris Nichols
> 
> On Jul 15, 2012, at 8:34 PM, Jeff Hare <catalina at thehares.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> This has come up several times in the past 10 years as an alternative.  There are some great benefits of a forum.  In fact you can read all these postings mirrored on our own c320-list google group forum!  They are searchable but may require a google account to access.
> 
> Our website has a discussion forum system that we tried once but it turned out that the answer rate was very poor for questions posted there since you had to be logged in and have a website account to participate.
> 
> Yahoo groups and google groups are options for main participation but also require extra logins (not that this is a show stopper).  The other problem there is that preserving our content is not guaranteed.  They can dump it or limit our history at any point.
> 
> One issue with forums that isn't always obvious is that we would rely on people logging in and following the discussions to find and then respond to the unanswered questions. That might take days for an answer to come back for your question. On the other hand, if people subscribed to the forum posts by email they would know someone asked a question and could respond.  
> 
> So either way, it comes back to email in order to have quick responses which is the thing I personally find most valuable.
> 
> To help the email clutter problem, our list has is a special subject header added to all messages from our list -->   [c320-list] 
> 
> With this, your email program can automatically move all incoming messages from this list to a folder just for c320 list traffic that you can read / search at your convenience without cluttering your inbox.
> 
> This is just my opinion and ultimately we will try to do what the group wants so we appreciate hearing from members on this and any other things people have in mind.
> 
> Cheers!
> Jeff Hare
> #809 Woodbine II
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 15, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Jane & Ken <obuoy4848 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> Speaking of no brainer, the e-mails from the 320 group average less than three per day. Granted, some days there are ten or more but some days zero.  Kinda averages out.  The days when several e-mails arrive it is due to a question that folk have an opinion or useful information they wish to share.
>> As stated, "the leadership will respond" and as Chris indicated, most sailing forum media are a bit less personal.       Ken, 
>> 
>> --- On Sun, 7/15/12, Simon Rock <simonrock at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> From: Simon Rock <simonrock at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mailing List or Forum
>> To: "'Chris Burti'" <clburti at gmail.com>
>> Cc: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Date: Sunday, July 15, 2012, 4:10 PM
>> 
>> 
>> There are some huge benefits:
>> 1. All information is kept together by topic
>> 2. Information is easily searched (so the same questions are not asked)
>> 3. It doesn't flood your email program
>> 4. Easier to manage, you can rank replies, set notifications by topic
>> 5. Use of public and member only areas - helps encourage people to join to
>> read the members areas.
>> 
>> You are right, the leadership will respond. Hopefully they will examine the
>> advantages and see it's a no-brainer.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Simon Rock
>> 0428 175510
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Burti [mailto:clburti at gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Sunday, 15 July 2012 12:23 PM
>> To: Simon Rock
>> Subject: RE: [C320-list] Mailing List or Forum
>> 
>> The subject comes up, but there hasn't been the kind of demand to drive the
>> need to make that move.
>> 
>> I don't know if we really would benefit. Personally, I have virtually
>> deserted the sailing forums that I am subscribed to as it is a bit like
>> subscribing to a digest format. It just seems less personal to me.
>> 
>> Ultimately, our leadership will be responsive to the needs and wishes of our
>> group.
>> Fair Winds,
>> Chris Burti
>> From: Simon Rock
>> Sent: 7/14/2012 7:35 PM
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Mailing List or Forum Hi, Over the past few days the
>> mailing list has been very busy.
>> On several other groups I use, once the mailing list got really busy, it
>> became easier to move across to a forum only setup.
>> This had many advantages (easy to search, all info is grouped, accessible
>> from computers, iPhones, iPads, Tablets, etc), and really no disadvantages.
>> With Apps like Tapatalk, people still have great access to the info from
>> their mobile devices.
>> 
>> But it does mean people have to change the way they access the info. But we
>> are all smart enough to handle this small change.
>> 
>> Is this something the association management have considered?
>> 
>> 
>> Simon Rock
>> Lake Macquarie NSW Australia
>> 
>> Cat375 #54 Rock The Boat
>> Cat375 #41 Rocket
>> Cat320 #1163 Rockstar
>> 
>> Experience The Whitsundays
>> www.cya.com.au
>> 

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:18:50 -0500
From: Tony Murphy <tony at midwestphysics.com>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mailing List or Forum
Message-ID: <CC297EEA.13C8D%tony at midwestphysics.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="ISO-8859-1"

I?m not sure if others are aware of a very fast way to search the list email
messages without having to go through Google Groups (and you don?t need a
login to do it this way).  And it might possibly be a more thorough search,
but I?m not sure.

I use the Google ?site? feature to search only the C320 list.

Usage (in the Google search box):

<Search term> site:lists.catalina320.com

For example... I recently searched for posts relating to ?Sanitation hoses?
replacement by searching for ?Sanitation hoses site:lists.catalina320.com?.
This returned 9 hits from the C320 list website.  I did the same search on
the Google Groups C320 site and only got 2 hits.  I?m not sure why the
discrepancy... Does anyone else have insight as to why the Google Group
search might not be returning all the relevant posts?

This can be done on any website... I use Typinator on my mac to have several
shortcuts to search ?site:lists.catalina320.com? and
?site:sailnet.com/forums? and ?...? you get the point.  Makes typing much
faster...

Tony Murphy
Bella Sol #886

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 06:49:11 -0700
From: Jack Russ <jsruss at msn.com>
To: <c320-list at catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mailing List or Forum
Message-ID: <COL113-W17088E64C979D9BF55BCBDDBD40 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Keep current format.
Jack Russ

> From: allan.field at verizon.net
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 06:38:08 -0400
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mailing List or Forum
> 
> While I support the current format for the same reasons that have been
> articulated so well in previous posts, I am absolutely thrilled that Simon
> weighed in with his thoughts on this.  Your Board is always seeking
> engagement from the membership on potentially better ways of doing things
> and new concepts that keep the Association vibrant and relevant.  Some of
> those ideas will stick, others won't but unless the membership is engaged,
> we have no idea what resonates with and is important to the membership.
> Keep 'em coming and thanks Simon!
> 
> Allan S. Field
> Sea Shadow - 808
> Columbia, MD
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sulewski
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:00 AM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mailing List or Forum
> 
> Folks,
> Let' keep in mind KISS - Keep It Simple & Succinct!
> 
> The e-mail format provides rapid replies with many opportunities to develop
> increased understanding with broadly informed input....and eventually the
> posts end up on the website in the forum format after all, correct?
> Rick
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Hare
> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 8:35 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mailing List or Forum
> 
> Hi Simon,
> 
> This has come up several times in the past 10 years as an alternative.
> There are some great benefits of a forum.  In fact you can read all these
> postings mirrored on our own c320-list google group forum!  They are
> searchable but may require a google account to access.
> 
> Our website has a discussion forum system that we tried once but it turned
> out that the answer rate was very poor for questions posted there since you
> had to be logged in and have a website account to participate.
> 
> Yahoo groups and google groups are options for main participation but also
> require extra logins (not that this is a show stopper).  The other problem
> there is that preserving our content is not guaranteed.  They can dump it or
> limit our history at any point.
> 
> One issue with forums that isn't always obvious is that we would rely on
> people logging in and following the discussions to find and then respond to
> the unanswered questions. That might take days for an answer to come back
> for your question. On the other hand, if people subscribed to the forum
> posts by email they would know someone asked a question and could respond.  
> 
> So either way, it comes back to email in order to have quick responses which
> is the thing I personally find most valuable.
> 
> To help the email clutter problem, our list has is a special subject header
> added to all messages from our list -->   [c320-list] 
> 
> With this, your email program can automatically move all incoming messages
> from this list to a folder just for c320 list traffic that you can read /
> search at your convenience without cluttering your inbox.
> 
> This is just my opinion and ultimately we will try to do what the group
> wants so we appreciate hearing from members on this and any other things
> people have in mind.
> 
> Cheers!
> Jeff Hare
> #809 Woodbine II
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 15, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Jane & Ken <obuoy4848 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> Speaking of no brainer, the e-mails from the 320 group average less 
>> than
> three per day. Granted, some days there are ten or more but some days zero.
> Kinda averages out.  The days when several e-mails arrive it is due to a
> question that folk have an opinion or useful information they wish to share.
>> As stated, "the leadership will respond" and as Chris indicated, most
> sailing forum media are a bit less personal.       Ken, 
>> 
>> --- On Sun, 7/15/12, Simon Rock <simonrock at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> From: Simon Rock <simonrock at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mailing List or Forum
>> To: "'Chris Burti'" <clburti at gmail.com>
>> Cc: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Date: Sunday, July 15, 2012, 4:10 PM
>> 
>> 
>> There are some huge benefits:
>> 1. All information is kept together by topic 2. Information is easily 
>> searched (so the same questions are not asked) 3. It doesn't flood 
>> your email program 4. Easier to manage, you can rank replies, set 
>> notifications by topic 5. Use of public and member only areas - helps 
>> encourage people to join to read the members areas.
>> 
>> You are right, the leadership will respond. Hopefully they will 
>> examine the advantages and see it's a no-brainer.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Simon Rock
>> 0428 175510
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Burti [mailto:clburti at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, 15 July 2012 12:23 PM
>> To: Simon Rock
>> Subject: RE: [C320-list] Mailing List or Forum
>> 
>> The subject comes up, but there hasn't been the kind of demand to 
>> drive the need to make that move.
>> 
>> I don't know if we really would benefit. Personally, I have virtually 
>> deserted the sailing forums that I am subscribed to as it is a bit 
>> like subscribing to a digest format. It just seems less personal to me.
>> 
>> Ultimately, our leadership will be responsive to the needs and wishes 
>> of our group.
>> Fair Winds,
>> Chris Burti
>> From: Simon Rock
>> Sent: 7/14/2012 7:35 PM
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Mailing List or Forum Hi, Over the past few days 
>> the mailing list has been very busy.
>> On several other groups I use, once the mailing list got really busy, 
>> it became easier to move across to a forum only setup.
>> This had many advantages (easy to search, all info is grouped, 
>> accessible from computers, iPhones, iPads, Tablets, etc), and really 
>> no
> disadvantages.
>> With Apps like Tapatalk, people still have great access to the info 
>> from their mobile devices.
>> 
>> But it does mean people have to change the way they access the info. 
>> But we are all smart enough to handle this small change.
>> 
>> Is this something the association management have considered?
>> 
>> 
>> Simon Rock
>> Lake Macquarie NSW Australia
>> 
>> Cat375 #54 Rock The Boat
>> Cat375 #41 Rocket
>> Cat320 #1163 Rockstar
>> 
>> Experience The Whitsundays
>> www.cya.com.au
>> 
> 

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 10:36:10 -0500
From: "resloat" <resloat at comcast.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: [C320-list] C320 Mail List Improvements
Message-ID: <F3C119ADC60D4704A3664154DF210116 at SloatLaptop>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"

A few ways to help make our list more efficient:
 a.. Make the subject line as specific as possible when mentioning a problem or diagnosing one
 b.. When offering a solution or modifying the direction of discussion, make sure the subject line reflects this
 c.. Reference year and hull number as some things have changed over the years
 d.. For engine matters - reference the manufacturer and model of your engine
 e.. For mainsail related - furling or not
 f.. For mast and boom - Charleston or other
 g.. For helmsman issues - senior citizen or not, male or female, self sufficient or dependent (just kidding)
There may be others.  And our format does work fairly well.  This might help make it even better.

Thanks to the folks who volunteer their labor in keeping up the C320 site.

Bob Sloat
S/V Savannah 894 (2002)

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 11:45:50 -0400
From: "Charles Greenwell" <CGreenwell at sparusa.com>
To: <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mailing List or Forum
Message-ID: <9C8014FEBD56664498942B36E7A256FC4FF188 at spar1.sparusa.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

All this discussion is pretty interesting.  Being in the software
development field for many years I am well aware of how forums work and
the maintenance required to keep them running.  Not to mention you need
a moderator and a someone to keep the SPAM out, which is why some are
password protected.

I like the email approach in that it is simple and effective, especially
when it is augmented with the ability to not be a member of the email
list yet still have access to it's contents.  This is what I do.  It
solves the problem that many have mentioned concerning the email clutter
and allows me to view the discussions at any time and any place via the
web.

I use this link to view and search the list. 

http://lists.catalina320.com/pipermail/c320-list-catalina320.com/

It provides a simple way to do searches and access to the daily
discussions.

Many thanks to Jeff and all the others who have worked hard to set this
up and keep it running.

Randy

Le Bijou

Hull 719.

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 13:15:25 -0400
From: Joseph R Aberdale <summerwind3 at comcast.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mailing List or Forum
Message-ID: <71949C51-E762-45BF-BD12-E6975E180A30 at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I like the list the way it is.  It's been an invaluable educational tool for me.

Thank you Jeff and the others who are responsible for maintaining it.

Joe Aberdale
#908

On Jul 16, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Charles Greenwell wrote:

> All this discussion is pretty interesting.  Being in the software
> development field for many years I am well aware of how forums work and
> the maintenance required to keep them running.  Not to mention you need
> a moderator and a someone to keep the SPAM out, which is why some are
> password protected.
> 
> 
> 
> I like the email approach in that it is simple and effective, especially
> when it is augmented with the ability to not be a member of the email
> list yet still have access to it's contents.  This is what I do.  It
> solves the problem that many have mentioned concerning the email clutter
> and allows me to view the discussions at any time and any place via the
> web.
> 
> 
> 
> I use this link to view and search the list. 
> 
> 
> 
> http://lists.catalina320.com/pipermail/c320-list-catalina320.com/
> 
> 
> 
> It provides a simple way to do searches and access to the daily
> discussions.
> 
> 
> 
> Many thanks to Jeff and all the others who have worked hard to set this
> up and keep it running.
> 
> 
> 
> Randy
> 
> Le Bijou
> 
> Hull 719.
> 

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