[C320-list] REPLACING LIFE LINE STANCHIONS
Warren Updike
wupdike at hotmail.com
Mon May 28 16:01:03 PDT 2012
Oboy! Allen Field's worst nightmare, steering cables, may be equaled by
stanchion problems.
I just did two on our #62 (1993 manufacture.) I did the first one port side
after the bow pulpit, and the second one stbd side. The latter was a real
bitch. I used a tool called a crow's foot wrench. This is a tool that
provides a right-angle grab on a nut. It's kind of like an under-the-sink
wrench for faucets. Search "crows foot" on harborfreight.com. I was only
able to turn the nut 10 or 20 deg before repositioning the wrench.
On the stbd side, I ended-up using a Dremel tool to cut away enough of the
liner so the nut could be accessed from directly below with a std. socket
wrench. Even then, I had to fasten the washers and nut together with a dab
of butyl rubber so that they could be installed in one go with the socket
wrench. Oh, and I did use butyl rubber to bed them.
Now, if you've read this far you must have at least a smidgen of interest.
So, here is the real problem; and, hopefully, on newer versions Catalina did
it differently. Excess strain on the stanchion caused the problem. The
construction of the deck where the stanchion bolt passes through is: deck
fiberglass, balsa core, liner (and the liner is very thin.) Also, Catalina
used no backing plate, only a thin ss washer, lock washer, and nut. So, the
strain pulled the bolt up, and the washer deformed into a cup shape as it
was pulled up through the liner compressing the core. Now the stanchion is
loose. What I did is drill out the bolt hole, scrape out the soft balsa
core around the hole, covered the bottom of the hole with duct tape, and
filled the hole with filled epoxy. I then drilled a new hole and inserted
the stanchion. I made backing plates using aluminum plate (two: one with
two holes for the support bolts, one larger with one hole for the main
bolt.)
The above somewhat simplifies the process and I've probably forgotten some
of it; but, you get the point. I'll sell the boat before I have to do the
port stanchion outside the galley.
e-mail me directly if you have questions.
Warren & Pattie Updike
1994 C320 #62 "Warr De Mar"
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynda Kusnetz [mailto:lkusnetz at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 2:28 PM
To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
Subject: [C320-list] REPLACING LIFE LINE STANCHIONS
Question from David Rath, captain of s/v Sugar docked at Brewers Greenport
NY:
I am trying to remove the 2nd from the bow, port side life line stanchion,
and have found the support post nut totally inaccessible. Does anyone have
any suggestions re: how to access this nut to remove the life line
stanchion? My goal is the replace a total of 3 of these as they are bent.
The other 2 are on the starboard side 2nd and 3rd back from bow. Haven't
attempted those yet.
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> 1. Re: fresh water pump/SHIFTER THROTTLE CABLES (JJ Morrison)
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> 4. Re: Ignition Key Problem (hcreech at comcast.net)
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> 9. Re: water pump solved; NEW problem (jim brown) 10. Re: Schaefer
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 23:48:41 +0000
> From: JJ Morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
> To: Catalina List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] fresh water pump/SHIFTER THROTTLE CABLES
> Message-ID: <SNT107-W1838FE275C0B7E2869A16E9070 at phx.gbl>
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>
> A note on the pump prime...make sure both fwd and aft tanks are full of
water this makes it easier for the pump to obtain a prime. On changing the
shifter and throttle cables... there is a plastic bracket about half way
down the inside/aftside of the binnacle which grabs the cables and keeps
them out of the way of steering gear and other stuff. It is nearly
impossible to get the cables into this bracket with the binnacle stand in
place; can be done but you need to remove the steering chain sprocket to do
it! Much easier to remove the four bolts in the cockpit floor and lay the
binnacle on its side which makes the entire job much easier.
> Cheers
> JohnM
> 1999#574
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 11:38:55 -0700
>> From: obuoy4848 at sbcglobal.net
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] fresh water pump
>>
>> With the faucets at the sink and the head both open, run the water pump
for 3-5 minutes. If that still does not work you will need to 'pull a
prime' by either using a vacuum pump at one faucet with all other faucets
closed, or you can try sucking on one open faucet with the pump running(
similar to stealing gasoline from the neighborhood cars )---the older boys
told me about that.
>> OBUOY #219 Ken
>>
>> --- On Sun, 5/27/12, bairdrjb at aol.com <bairdrjb at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: bairdrjb at aol.com <bairdrjb at aol.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] fresh water pump
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Date: Sunday, May 27, 2012, 10:35 AM
>>
>>
>> having trouble with the fresh water pump. Water in both tanks and I
cleaned the filter screen at the pump. Still doesn't seem to prime. I've
tried opening and closing faucets at the sink and the head. still nothing.
Any suggestions?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Bob Baird
>> Stardust. 2001 hull 784
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: lou at flyingmonkey.im
>> To: C320-List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Sat, May 26, 2012 7:55 pm
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Ignition Key Problem
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm changing out the cables because the boat is 12 years old and I've
>> noticed some resistance in the gear box cable. Edson recommends 5-7 years
on the cables.
>> I figure it's better to replace them now (at port), rather than when
>> they fail (under way).
>>
>> Lou Hodac
>> Blue Moon
>> #702
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 26, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Allan S Field <allan.field at verizon.net>
wrote:
>>
>>> Lou - Why are you changing out these cables?
>>>
>>> Allan S. Field
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On May 26, 2012, at 6:29 PM, Monkey Mail <lou at flyingmonkey.im> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Greetings to all,
>>>>
>>>> I like this idea. My last boat was a BVI charter boat and it had a
>>>> start
>> switch and no key. I get frustrated when the float on my ignition key
>> gets caught in the wheel (always at the worst possible time). I am
>> changing out my gearbox and throttle cables next week, as long as I
>> have the instrument pod open anyway I think I will make this modification
also.
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely love this resource/group.
>>>>
>>>> Happy sailing,
>>>>
>>>> Lou Hodac
>>>> Blue Moon
>>>> #702
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On May 26, 2012, at 7:46 AM, fred.lecuyer at live.com
>>>> <fred.lecuyer at live.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Joe,
>>>>>
>>>>> The bulge pump should operate even if the battery selector is in
>>>>> the off
>> position.
>>>>>
>>>>> Check your wiring manual.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my HTC Inspire? 4G on AT&T
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>>>> From: "Joseph R Aberdale" <summerwind3 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Ignition Key Problem
>>>>> Date: Sat, May 26, 2012 7:07 am
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My boat has a battery switch as well. However, if I turn off the
>>>>> switch
>> when leaving, the bilge pump will not operate if it's needed to come on.
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 26, 2012, at 2:12 AM, Simon Rock wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A three stage switch is what most cars have. The positions are:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Off
>>>>>> Ignition on
>>>>>> Starter motor on
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My boat has a big battery switch to provide power to the motor.
>>>>>> The motor will not start when this is off.
>>>>>> We turn this switch off whenever we are leaving the boat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simon Rock
>>>>>> 0428 175510
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Colin Evans
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 26 May 2012 1:44 PM
>>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Ignition Key Problem
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes Simon,
>>>>>> what IS a 3 stage switch and we don`t have a separate circuit
>>>>>> breaker switch for the engine. But otherwise a good idea. Maybe
>>>>>> they are on the newer boats
>>>>>> *************************
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Colin Evans
>>>>>> Watermark #774
>>>>>> Lake Macquarie, Australia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Joseph R Aberdale
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 26 May 2012 10:33 AM
>>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Ignition Key Problem
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is a three stage switch? Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 25, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Simon Rock wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you really need a key? Is the purpose of the key to prevent
>>>>>>> the boat being stolen?
>>>>>>> Why not replace it with a waterproof three stage switch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On our boat, we always turn the engine power off at the circuit
>>>>>>> breaker,
>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> anybody climbing aboard cannot start the engine and motor off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just a thought.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simon Rock
>>>>>>> Lake Macquarie NSW Australia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cat375 #54 Rock The Boat
>>>>>>> Cat375 #41 Rocket
>>>>>>> Cat320 #1163 Rockstar
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Experience The Whitsundays
>>>>>>> www.cya.com.au
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Karl Mielenhausen
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 26 May 2012 5:44 AM
>>>>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Ignition Key Problem
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not a little Super glue on the backing nut?
>>>>>>> If you want replacement parts, contact:
>>>>>>> Dennis Igarashi at Seaward
>>>>>>> dennisi at seawardproducts.com
>>>>>>> 562-699-7997 ext 210
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Joseph R Aberdale
>>>>>> <summerwind3 at comcast.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> When I attempt to turn my key to start the boat the key housing
>>>>>>>> turns as
>>>>>>> well and the key does not go to the "on" position. I looked
>>>>>>> inside the pod and found that the large nut used to tighten the
>>>>>>> housing cannot be
>>>>>> tightened
>>>>>>> as the threads have been stripped. Thus, I cannot tighten it and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> housing
>>>>>>> turns. Does anyone have any thoughts about a solution or any
>>>>>>> knowledge
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> purchasing the necessary parts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 01:40:16 +0000
> From: JJ Morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
> To: Catalina List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Ignition Key Problem
> Message-ID: <SNT107-W57526E2C5814A2682B3A72E9040 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
>
> Check the bilge pump switch on the breaker panel; left position is for
Auto, middle is Off and right is Manual ie pump operates continuously in
this position.
> Cheers
> JohnM
> 1999#574
>
>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> From: fred.lecuyer at live.com
>> Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 07:46:12 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Ignition Key Problem
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>> The bulge pump should operate even if the battery selector is in the off
position.
>>
>> Check your wiring manual.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> Sent from my HTC Inspire? 4G on AT&T
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Joseph R Aberdale" <summerwind3 at comcast.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Ignition Key Problem
>> Date: Sat, May 26, 2012 7:07 am
>>
>>
>> My boat has a battery switch as well. However, if I turn off the switch
when leaving, the bilge pump will not operate if it's needed to come on.
>>
>> On May 26, 2012, at 2:12 AM, Simon Rock wrote:
>>
>>> A three stage switch is what most cars have. The positions are:
>>>
>>> Off
>>> Ignition on
>>> Starter motor on
>>>
>>> My boat has a big battery switch to provide power to the motor. The
>>> motor will not start when this is off.
>>> We turn this switch off whenever we are leaving the boat.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>> Simon Rock
>>> 0428 175510
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Colin
>>> Evans
>>> Sent: Saturday, 26 May 2012 1:44 PM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Ignition Key Problem
>>>
>>> Yes Simon,
>>> what IS a 3 stage switch and we don`t have a separate circuit
>>> breaker switch for the engine. But otherwise a good idea. Maybe they
>>> are on the newer boats
>>> *************************
>>> Regards
>>> Colin Evans
>>> Watermark #774
>>> Lake Macquarie, Australia
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
>>> R Aberdale
>>> Sent: Saturday, 26 May 2012 10:33 AM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Ignition Key Problem
>>>
>>> What is a three stage switch? Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 25, 2012, at 5:30 PM, Simon Rock wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you really need a key? Is the purpose of the key to prevent the
>>>> boat being stolen?
>>>> Why not replace it with a waterproof three stage switch.
>>>>
>>>> On our boat, we always turn the engine power off at the circuit
>>>> breaker,
>>> so
>>>> anybody climbing aboard cannot start the engine and motor off.
>>>>
>>>> Just a thought.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Simon Rock
>>>> Lake Macquarie NSW Australia
>>>>
>>>> Cat375 #54 Rock The Boat
>>>> Cat375 #41 Rocket
>>>> Cat320 #1163 Rockstar
>>>>
>>>> Experience The Whitsundays
>>>> www.cya.com.au
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Karl
>>>> Mielenhausen
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 26 May 2012 5:44 AM
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Ignition Key Problem
>>>>
>>>> Why not a little Super glue on the backing nut?
>>>> If you want replacement parts, contact:
>>>> Dennis Igarashi at Seaward
>>>> dennisi at seawardproducts.com
>>>> 562-699-7997 ext 210
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Joseph R Aberdale
>>> <summerwind3 at comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> When I attempt to turn my key to start the boat the key housing
>>>>> turns as
>>>> well and the key does not go to the "on" position. I looked inside
>>>> the pod and found that the large nut used to tighten the housing
>>>> cannot be
>>> tightened
>>>> as the threads have been stripped. Thus, I cannot tighten it and
>>>> the
>>> housing
>>>> turns. Does anyone have any thoughts about a solution or any
>>>> knowledge
>>> about
>>>> purchasing the necessary parts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks very much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Aberdale
>>>>> #908
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:30:18 +0000 (UTC)
> From: hcreech at comcast.net
> To: C320-List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] ST-4000 replacement belt
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> Dear list,
> Just tried a search for a replacement belt for ST-4000, found one but
seemed rather confusing. Also some posts about a kit and difficulties of
removing. As usual I will depend on the list for the straight scoop. Need to
replace mine very soon.
>
> Thanks,
> Herb Creech
> Cloud Chaser 606
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:36:22 +0000 (UTC)
> From: hcreech at comcast.net
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Ignition Key Problem
> Message-ID:
>
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> Fred,
> Sorry, the bildge pump will not operate in the off position because the
float switch is not engaged. Know this from experience. Has to be in auto,
or manual. In manual the pump will run continuously until moved back to
either off or auto.
>
> Herb
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "JJ Morrison" <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
> To: "Catalina List" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 9:40:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Ignition Key Problem
>
>
> Check the bilge pump switch on the breaker panel; left position is for
Auto, middle is Off and right is Manual ie pump operates continuously in
this position.
> Cheers
> JohnM
> 1999#574
>
>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> From: fred.lecuyer at live.com
>> Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 07:46:12 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Ignition Key Problem
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>> The bulge pump should operate even if the battery selector is in the off
position.
>>
>> Check your wiring manual.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> Sent from my HTC Inspire? 4G on AT&T
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Joseph R Aberdale" <summerwind3 at comcast.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Ignition Key Problem
>> Date: Sat, May 26, 2012 7:07 am
>>
>>
>> My boat has a battery switch as well. However, if I turn off the switch
when leaving, the bilge pump will not operate if it's needed to come on.
>>
>> On May 26, 2012, at 2:12 AM, Simon Rock wrote:
>>
>>> A three stage switch is what most cars have. The positions are:
>>>
>>> Off
>>> Ignition on
>>> Starter motor on
>>>
>>> My boat has a big battery switch to provide power to the motor. The
motor
>>> will not start when this is off.
>>> We turn this switch off whenever we are leaving the boat.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>> Simon Rock
>>> 0428 175510
>>>
>>> -----Origina
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