[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 1757, Issue 4
Don Poole
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Thu Jun 6 22:29:38 PDT 2013
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> 1. Re: Autopilot and instrument upgrade (Scott Thompson)
> 2. Re: New Member-Questions (Bill Hutt)
> 3. Perkins M30 - Recommended Oil Viscosity? (Don Johnson)
> 4. Flag pole socket (dprudden at comcast.net)
> 5. Re: Flag pole socket (Barbara Uhlman)
> 6. Re: Flag pole socket (dprudden)
> 7. Re: Flag pole socket (Colin Evans)
> 8. Re: Air Conditioning (Warren Updike)
> 9. Re: Flag pole socket (CHARLES DICKHUT)
> 10. Re: Air Conditioning (Warren Updike)
> 11. Re: Flag pole socket (dprudden)
> 12. Re: Flag pole socket (dprudden)
> 13. Re: Air Conditioning (Warren Updike)
> 14. Re: Air Conditioning (Warren Updike)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 16:17:30 -0400
> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Autopilot and instrument upgrade
> Message-ID: <51B0EE5A.3030408 at thompson87.com>
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> Chris, you have my permission. Regarding the photos, I uploaded hi-res
> photos to the web site. If you view the photos in high-res mode you
> should then be able to save them with full resolution. I just tried this
> using Firefox and the saved photo was 4000x3000 pixels, same as the
> original. To be clear, I took the following steps: (1) opened the album
> web page; (2) clicked on a thumbnail photo to display the larger view;
> (3) clicked on the photo again to open it in full resolution (at this
> point it more than fills the screen on my computer); right-clicked on
> the photo to select "Save Image As ..." dialog. The resulting file
> appears to be identical to the original, with full EXIF data from my camera.
>
>
> On 6/6/2013 8:48 AM, Chris Burti wrote:
>> Scott,
>> May we publish this in Mainsheet? If so, please send hi-res photos
>> directly to me.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com> wrote:
>>> It wasn't cheap. Our bill was almost $19K when all was added up, including
>>> the governor's 6% and labor costs, and a few weeks of dock time at the yard.
>>> That also included two new Navpods, all new transducers and wiring,
>>> including networking (SeaTalkng, RayNet, NMEA2000) for future expansion such
>>> as AIS or Sirius weather module. It's a bit difficult to break it down by
>>> subproject since a lot of the labor and networking costs are common across
>>> multiple instruments. The breakdown is (roughly) $2K for the new
>>> instruments and networking, $4.5K for autopilot parts, $3.3K for
>>> chartplotter and GPS and related parts, about $1K for the new radio, remote
>>> mic and additional networking to connect the VHF to the GPS, and for future
>>> expansion. The rest was labor, taxes, and some misc installation materials.
>>>
>>> Note that we re-used the old wiring in the mast for the wind unit, which
>>> means that I now have a spare unused cable. If we had to pull the mast to
>>> redo the wiring it would have run more. I contemplated spreading this out as
>>> several projects for different years, but once you start pulling new wires
>>> to the Navpods you are best off doing it all at once. I balked at the price
>>> in the first place, but we made a decision that the 320 is the perfect size
>>> boat for us for the forseeable future, and so were willing to make the
>>> investment. To put this in perspective, the initial estimates for just a
>>> wheel pilot replacement were around $3.5K installed, and the below decks
>>> linear drive installation would have been about twice that on a standalone
>>> basis once you allocate a certain amount of the installation labor.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/6/2013 2:26 AM, Tim Fleming wrote:
>>>> Sweet setup Scott may I inquire as to some of the costs?
>>>> Tim
>>>> Ole'
>>>> #928
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 5, 2013, at 2:47 PM, "Scott Thompson" <surprise at thompson87.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have posted some pictures on the web site of the new autopilot
>>>>> installation on my 1999 boat "Surprise." I was looking to replace my tired
>>>>> old wheel pilot unit that finally failed with a "Seatalk Error" that I
>>>>> couldn't solve last year.
>>>>>
>>>>> The album can be found here:
>>>>> http://www.catalina320.com/mediagallery/album.php?aid=274&page=1.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a below-decks autopilot using the Raymarine Type-1 linear drive
>>>>> unit. The drive is mounted to the port side of the rudder post on the
>>>>> lateral bulkhead that separates the steering gear from the aft cabin. It is
>>>>> bolted to a custom mounting plate on the bulkhead, which is through-bolted
>>>>> to a backing plate inside the aft cabin, just above the internal access
>>>>> hatch for the steering gear compartment. The only part of the system that is
>>>>> above deck or exposed to the elements is the P70 control head at the helm
>>>>> station. The X-10 course computer is mounted just outboard of the linear
>>>>> drive on the port side. A rudder reference unit is mounted to starboard on
>>>>> another custom bracket attached to the corner of the shelf above the fuel
>>>>> tank. The fluxgate compass is mounted in the same location as the old one,
>>>>> on a stringer over the center line of the bilge, between the galley sink and
>>>>> head door.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some notes on the installation:
>>>>>
>>>>> The linear drive drives the rudder through an Edson tiller arm that
>>>>> points forward when the wheel is centered. The arm is attached to the rudder
>>>>> post just below the main steering quadrant, which is the only possible
>>>>> location. There is just barely enough clearance for the tiller arm to swing
>>>>> un-obstructed in this location. The installer had originally planned to
>>>>> mount the drive on the underside of the swim platform, which is a common
>>>>> location for installations on the 350 or 355. However the swim platform is
>>>>> relatively low on the 320, making that arrangement impossible. The selected
>>>>> mounting location on the lateral bulkhead seems plenty strong, however, with
>>>>> the added benefit that no holes were needed through the deck or hull.
>>>>>
>>>>> Use of the linear drive requires limiting rudder swing to 35 degrees in
>>>>> each direction. To achieve this, some small blocks were added to the rudder
>>>>> stops, which are molded into the bottom of the deck just above the steering
>>>>> quadrant, for those who didn't know. (I didn't know where they were until
>>>>> this project.)
>>>>>
>>>>> In principle, both the drive unit and rudder reference unit should be
>>>>> mounted in exactly the same plane (or a parallel plane) as the tiller arm on
>>>>> the rudder. Since the 320 rudder post is not "vertical" (i.e. is tilted
>>>>> relative to the bulkhead and other surfaces in the steering compartment), in
>>>>> theory the mounting plates and brackets should have some compensation for
>>>>> the angle of the rudder post. They do not, but everything still seems to
>>>>> work OK. I did not measure, but the linear drive appears to be within 5
>>>>> degrees of the correct plane, which is the outside tolerance for mounting
>>>>> per the installation instructions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sea trial calibration was very easy. We had to do some big circles to
>>>>> swing the compass. Unlike older units, the new system alerts you if you are
>>>>> turning too fast or slow. We got maximum deviation of just 4 degrees, which
>>>>> is excellent. (It is a mystery to me how the computer figures this out.) The
>>>>> computer can compensate for up to 15 degrees. Then we put the drive in
>>>>> "autolearn" mode. After a few minutes of crazy Ivans it was done. The only
>>>>> tweak to drive settings I made was to turn down the drive response from 5
>>>>> (midpoint) to 4 in an effort to cut power usage a bit. The unit still works
>>>>> fine on 4. Cutting it further to 3 caused poor course-keeping, I found.
>>>>>
>>>>> So how does it work? Like a charm. The X-10 steers extremely well, even
>>>>> with a following sea. No more snake-wake for Surprise. The drive is barely
>>>>> audible from the cockpit. I can't hear it at all except when sailing in very
>>>>> quiet conditions. It is freaky to watch it steer, since it silently makes
>>>>> lots of the same small adjustments I would make. It's really nice having the
>>>>> cleaner helm station without the old ST4000 drive wheel and motor. I suspect
>>>>> the new system uses somewhat more power than the old unit, but that is part
>>>>> of the tradeoff for getting better steering, since the rudder is more active
>>>>> than with the old system, making more frequent but smaller adjustments.
>>>>> There is very little friction in the system, and manual steering is very
>>>>> light with the drive in Standby. It's also nice to not have to think about
>>>>> the drive clutch when I switch between Standby and Auto, since that is
>>>>> completely automatic.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do have a few minor complaints. As previously mentioned, I had to give
>>>>> up a bit of rudder swing. That doesn't seem to be much of an issue so far.
>>>>> The P70 control head has a general purpose color backlit LCD display with
>>>>> all kinds of display customization and bells and whistles possible. However
>>>>> it doesn't have as much contrast as the older units, especially with
>>>>> sunglasses, and I need to keep the brightness set to 100% in sunshine. The
>>>>> "graphical" display mode on the P70 does not match the pictures in the
>>>>> manual, and is an extremely distracting and lame "rolling road" animated
>>>>> graphic. A lot of this doesn't matter since the new e95 MFD chartplotter
>>>>> that I installed at the same time is highly customizable to show whatever
>>>>> you might want.
>>>>>
>>>>> We also replaced the speed, wind, and depth instruments and transducers
>>>>> at the same time, added an external GPS antenna, and the previously
>>>>> mentioned e95 chartplotter, all from Raymarine. (Raymarine is running a
>>>>> promotion where I will receive an i70 multifunction display for "free" since
>>>>> I purchased the e95. I don't know what I will do with that.) In general the
>>>>> new instruments are similar to the old ST60 ones that they replaced.
>>>>>
>>>>> The e95 is my first chartplotter. Previously I used a hand-held Garmin
>>>>> GPS76 unit on a bicycle handlebar mount above the instruments, with a
>>>>> data/power cable interfaced to the autopilot through a connector I installed
>>>>> on the back of the Navpod. This system worked very well, albeit without the
>>>>> fancy graphical displays, and with no chart information. But it used almost
>>>>> no power and was a familiar and easy to use friend that worked well with the
>>>>> Raymarine pilot through the NMEA interface. The e95 is highly customizable
>>>>> and will show you almost anything you can think of with the right inputs and
>>>>> enough configuration. It is bright, colorful (and power hungry) and comes
>>>>> with a 300 page pdf manual that I am still trying to work through. I'm still
>>>>> getting used to it and hope it will become as second nature to use as my
>>>>> ancient Garmin. However I have a few complaints about it. It sounds a VERY
>>>>> loud and annoying waypoint arrival alarm when I am still a good distance
>>>>> from a waypoint. If I push "track" to accept the new course (and to silence
>>>>> the alarm) it IMMEDIATELY turns the ship in the direction of the new
>>>>> waypoint rather than waiting until I actually reach the old waypoint. On
>>>>> several occasions this caused me to almost run into large buoys or fixed
>>>>> markers, or to turn inside of them instead of passing on the required side.
>>>>> Fortunately the Standby button is easy to reach. Hopefully I can find some
>>>>> parameters to tweak so that the chartplotter gives more reasonable course
>>>>> change instructions to the autopilot. And why can't they implement an alarm
>>>>> that gives some warning before arrival, but doesn't sound like a fire alarm
>>>>> until you actually get there? I'm also annoyed that the new unit has no
>>>>> tide/current info unless I upgrade to "Gold" or "Platinum" Navionics charts
>>>>> at a high price. And the Voyage Planner software is an extra $49 on top of
>>>>> the $$$$ for the chartplotter, but is totally brain dead. However it's the
>>>>> only tool I've found for transferring waypoint or route information to/from
>>>>> the unit because Raymarine insists on using a proprietary file format. Seems
>>>>> to me that the included software for the fishfinder, radar, AIS, weather
>>>>> data, infrared camera, XM/Sirius radio, and Raymarine proprietary sound
>>>>> system (none of which I have) should be priced extra rather than the simple
>>>>> and buggy waypoint transfer software.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, we swapped out the VHF for a new ICOM model with remote mic at
>>>>> the helm. I finally have DSC and a working distress alert system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kudos to Phil and his team at Electronic Marine in Annapolis who did
>>>>> beautiful work installing all of the above on a tight schedule.
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:32:00 -0400
> From: "Bill Hutt" <bhutt at windstream.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Member-Questions
> Message-ID: <3AFE722EE8C14AEF9308A589CD818325 at OwnerPC>
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>
> Just got back from the boat, pushed the button in and it popped out. Water
> heater off. BTW, I checked the hot water and it is scalding hot!!! Burn you?re
> a** off if your not careful.
> Question: Does the water heater have a thermostat or are the elements hot
> all the time?
> Thanks to all for your quick responses, glad to be aboard.
> Bill Hutt
> #570
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Descher
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:11 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Member-Questions
>
> I've gone through the same thing. You probably need to push the button on
> the breaker in further. At that point you'll hear a pop, and it will turn
> off. You'll be able to tell because then the button will come out further,
> and white will be shown.
>
> Since you're a new owner, it may be worth noting that when water is heated,
> a lot of extra pressure can build up in those hoses and they may blow if
> they're loose at all. You may want to relieve some pressure by opening a
> hot water valve sometimes. Running the engine heats that water, too.
>
> Chris Descher
> #500
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Scott Thompson
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 8:33 AM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Member-Questions
>
>
> On my 1999 boat (hull 653) the breaker on the AC panel above the nav
> station is an ordinary switch. Are you perhaps looking at the separate
> breaker on the heater itself?
>
> On 6/6/2013 9:13 AM, Bill Hutt wrote:
>> I tried, can't pull it out and if I push it again nothing happens.
>> When you say toggle....
>> Bill
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Mueller
>> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 9:07 AM
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Member-Questions
>>
>> Hey Bill,
>>
>> There is a "push" type circuit breaker on the left side of the AC
>> panel It
>> will toggle on and off.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Kirk Mueller
>> Second Chance #361
>> Rock Hall, MD
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Bill Hutt <bhutt at windstream.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Sorry to hijack this message but I have a few questions and am having
>>> trouble logging on. I recently bought 1999 C320 hull #570 and love
>>> her already.
>>> 1) I am missing pages 41-56 in the owners manual. Can anyone scan and
>>> send
>>> me these pages so I can print and put them in my binder?
>>> 2) Cleaned and charged the water system, turned on the water heater and
>>> it works great. Is there a switch to turn it off or does it stay on
>>> all the
>>> time? Also, I don't have a manual for the water heater. I assume it's a
>>> Seward. Does anyone know the model # for a 1999 boat?
>>> Thanks to all,
>>> Looking forward to being a member of the group.
>>> Bill Hutt
>>> New Owner "Caribbean Soul" #570
>>> Cleveland, Ohio
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Mueller
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 8:29 AM
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
>>>
>>> We are at Haven Harbour. Blue dock, slip 23.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Kirk
>>> On Jun 6, 2013 8:09 AM, "Diane" <mtpoodles at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Where do you keep your boat? We love to go to Rock Hall Landing as
>>> the
>>>> walk into town is short.
>>>>
>>>> Diane
>>>>
>>>> Kirk Mueller <kirkm753 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Diane. I appreciate the counsel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kirk
>>>>> Second Chance #361
>>>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>>>> On Jun 5, 2013 8:57 PM, "mtpoodles" <mtpoodles at atlanticbb.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The 16,000 btu unit has been a good choice. I know you will like
>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Diane
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marshall & Diane Lucas and
>>>>>> The Merrythought Poodles
>>>>>> S/V Merrythought
>>>>>> Catalina 320 #1037
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: >>
>>>> c320-list-bounces at lists.**catalina320.com<c320-list-bounces at lists.ca
>>>> talina320.com>
>>>>>>
>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces@**lists.catalina320.com<c320-list-bounces@
>>>> lists.catalina320.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Kirk
>>>>> Mueller
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 4:04 PM
>>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Diane,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Annapolis Cruisair suggested the 16,000 btu single unit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the feedback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kirk
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from a tin can with a very long string. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2013, at 3:59 PM, Diane <mtpoodles at atlanticbb.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Annapolis Cruisair also did our AC system. It is just as Allan
>>>>> described
>>>>>> as far as ducting. However, our single unit is 16,000 btu. The v
>>>>> berth door
>>>>>> does get closed in hot weather. The system works very well for
>>>>>> both
>>>>> AC and
>>>>>> heat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Diane
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Allan S Field <allan.field at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kirk - We went with Annapolis CruisAir about 10 years ago and
>>>> have
>>>>>>>> never had a problem with the unit. We went with a 12,000 BTU
>>>>> unit.
>>>>>>>> The compressor is in the port side locker. The outflow vent is
>>>>> above
>>>>>>>> and to port of the cabinet above the refrigerator. The return
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> the foot of the aft cabin bunk. The pump and water inflow
>>>>> thru-hull
>>>>>>>> are under the aft cabin bunk close to the fresh water pump.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When it gets really hot, like over 95 degrees, we close off
>>>>>>>> the V-berth. (We removed the aft cabin door years ago.) But
>>>>>>>> the A/C
>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> cool the boat down even on those days with the V-berth cabin
>>>>>>>> door open. It just won't get it much below about 72 when the
>>>>>>>> sun is shining brightly and it's over 95. We
>>>>>>>> recently bought the Hatch-Hoodie to put over the forward hatch
>>>> but
>>>>>>>> have not yet tried it out on the really hot days. Regardless,
>>>>> very
>>>>>>>> few people, other than our grandsons when they were younger,
>>>>>>>> ever sleep in the V-berth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We had a choice between a 16,000 BTU system (which we looked
>>>> at on
>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>> C320) and the 12,000. The 16,000 is a "split-system" meaning
>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>> compressor units and it takes up a lot of space, plus needs
>>>>> ducts.
>>>>>>>> We have never regretted going with the 12,000. As for the
>>>>>>>> head, several years ago we put a hook-and-eye on the door with
>>>>>>>> the eye
>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the inside frame and the hook on the inside of the door so we
>>>>>>>> can prop the door open a few inches when we are off the boat
>>>>>>>> plus
>>>> cool
>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> warm the head when the AC/heat pump is running.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This upgrade was the best thing we ever did on the boat. It
>>>>> really
>>>>>>>> turned the boat into a summer home for us with a view that if
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> tired of, we can change! The heating cycle also opens up
>>>>>>>> March
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> November for staying on the boat. August is not a
>>>>>>>> particularly sailor-friendly month on the Chesapeake but that
>>>>>>>> does not stop us from going down to the boat for the weekend.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Allan S. Field
>>>>>>>> Sea Shadow - #808
>>>>>>>> Columbia, MD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: >> >>
>>>> c320-list-bounces at lists.**catalina320.com<c320-list-bounces at lists.ca
>>>> talina320.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces@**lists.catalina320.com<c320-list-bounces@
>>>> lists.catalina320.com>]
>>>> On Behalf Of Kirk
>>>>>>>> Mueller
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:44 AM
>>>>>>>> To: C320-list at catalina320.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Has anyone recently installed A/C in their boat. If so, what
>>>> type
>>>>>>>> and size?
>>>>>>>> Where did they put the unit, the supply ducts and the return?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kirk Mueller
>>>>>>>> Second Chance #361
>>>>>>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my
>>>> brevity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 15:52:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Don Johnson <donjohn64 at att.net>
> To: Catalina 320 List Posting <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Perkins M30 - Recommended Oil Viscosity?
> Message-ID:
> <1370559150.35580.YahooMailClassic at web181201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> About to charge the oil, but I find that the Perkins Spec sheet does not specify the recommended engine oil viscosity (e.g., 10-30, etc.).? Can some of you with the M30 let me know what your running.? This is a SoCal boat if that makes a difference. ?Thanks much!
> ?
> Don Johnson
> Hull # 53
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 23:04:28 +0000 (UTC)
> From: dprudden at comcast.net
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Flag pole socket
> Message-ID:
> <1281281535.2989485.1370559868562.JavaMail.root at sz0037a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
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> Would anyone have an idea of how many degrees the flag pole socket on the aft pulpit is canted? I'm an hour from the boat so I can't measure mine. I picked up an ultrasonic bird repeller that I want to mount on a stainless steel pole in the flag socket, but I need to bend it to stand vertically so the repeller will "aim" in the right direction.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David Prudden
> #787
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:56:16 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Barbara Uhlman <uhlman at sbcglobal.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Flag pole socket
> Message-ID:
> <1370566576.11368.YahooMailRC at web181001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> David, I would like more info. re. the bird repeller. We are having problems
> like that.
>
> Barb
> Whisper #1158
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "dprudden at comcast.net" <dprudden at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Sent: Thu, June 6, 2013 6:04:31 PM
> Subject: [C320-list] Flag pole socket
>
> Would anyone have an idea of how many degrees the flag pole socket on the aft
> pulpit is canted? I'm an hour from the boat so I can't measure mine. I picked up
> an ultrasonic bird repeller that I want to mount on a stainless steel pole in
> the flag socket, but I need to bend it to stand vertically so the repeller will
> "aim" in the right direction.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> David Prudden
> #787
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 21:04:41 -0400
> From: dprudden <dprudden at comcast.net>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Flag pole socket
> Message-ID: <45CA70E0-BE8C-4FB4-BBE7-D345D6BCD23E at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Barb,
> It's sold by a company called Deck-Guard. I saw it at the boat show this spring and it seemed worth a try. It's solar powered so no plug or batteries needed. I am mounting it to a stainless pole at boom height so it should repel birds from the boom, dodger and bimini. I'll let you know how it works in a few weeks.
>
> David
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 6, 2013, at 8:56 PM, Barbara Uhlman <uhlman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> David, I would like more info. re. the bird repeller. We are having problems
>> like that.
>>
>> Barb
>> Whisper #1158
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "dprudden at comcast.net" <dprudden at comcast.net>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Sent: Thu, June 6, 2013 6:04:31 PM
>> Subject: [C320-list] Flag pole socket
>>
>> Would anyone have an idea of how many degrees the flag pole socket on the aft
>> pulpit is canted? I'm an hour from the boat so I can't measure mine. I picked up
>> an ultrasonic bird repeller that I want to mount on a stainless steel pole in
>> the flag socket, but I need to bend it to stand vertically so the repeller will
>> "aim" in the right direction.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> David Prudden
>> #787
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 11:57:53 +1000
> From: "Colin Evans" <twosailors at bigpond.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Flag pole socket
> Message-ID: <8C400E6EF4DF4AD3BA0032290AFA8149 at OfficePC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Best bird repellant is to put bread on the boat next to you
>
> *************************
> Regards
> Colin Evans
> Watermark
> 2000 C320 # 774
> Lake Macquarie, Australia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Uhlman
> Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 10:56 AM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Flag pole socket
>
> David, I would like more info. re. the bird repeller. We are having
> problems
> like that.
>
> Barb
> Whisper #1158
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "dprudden at comcast.net" <dprudden at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Sent: Thu, June 6, 2013 6:04:31 PM
> Subject: [C320-list] Flag pole socket
>
> Would anyone have an idea of how many degrees the flag pole socket on the
> aft
> pulpit is canted? I'm an hour from the boat so I can't measure mine. I
> picked up
> an ultrasonic bird repeller that I want to mount on a stainless steel pole
> in
> the flag socket, but I need to bend it to stand vertically so the repeller
> will
> "aim" in the right direction.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> David Prudden
> #787
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:03:44 -0400
> From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
> Message-ID: <BAY156-DS115E8337FDC202B00E6A9BE990 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Kirk, we are at Md Marina on Middle R. This winter two of us 320 owners
> installed AC. We worked together on every aspect of it. Now that the season
> is in full swing, we've had opportunity to use both cooling and heat; and,
> can report that we are very satisfied with the result.
>
> After much study, research, and consultation with others we decided on a
> Cruiseair 12K unit installed in the port locker. We bought the unit from
> Annapolis Cruiseair and were very happy with their support. I strongly
> recommend you talk to them.
>
> This installation afforded us the least effort installation with good
> results. The Cruiseair unit is reported to produce a true 12k output. With
> only a short duct to the galley and return grill in the aft cabin, it
> required no other ducts and no cabinetry work. The removable panels in the
> v-berth bulkhead allow free flow of conditioned air through the v-berth.
> After seeing a few other AC installations in the port locker, I can say with
> confidence we have the cleanest looking installation of the bunch.
>
> Our overriding objective were: to maximize the space left in the port
> locker; and, to minimize the loss of space in the bread box. We needed to
> reduce the height of the bread box by only 2 inches and the unit fits
> entirely under the bread box up against the galley bulkhead. We constructed
> a plywood enclosure around the unit which is necessary to enclose it. To top
> it off, I installed a shelf in the locker that aligns horizontally with the
> top of the AC enclosure.
>
> I have lots of pictures and considerations we made in doing the project. I
> haven't taken the time as yet to do an article for the web site; but, I'm
> happy to share both with you or anyone. Since we are only 3 hours away
> across the Bay, you are welcome to come here or meet us on the bay for more
> on the story.
>
> Warren & Pattie Updike
> 1994 C320 #62 "Warr De Mar"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirk Mueller [mailto:kirkm753 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:44 AM
> To: C320-list at catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
>
> Hi All,
>
> Has anyone recently installed A/C in their boat. If so, what type and size?
> Where did they put the unit, the supply ducts and the return?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kirk Mueller
> Second Chance #361
> Rock Hall, MD
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:03:59 -0400 (EDT)
> From: CHARLES DICKHUT <cdickhut2 at aol.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Flag pole socket
> Message-ID: <8D0313A68C6B3FA-ACC-C4F5 at webmail-m155.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> I am heading to the boat Friday afternoon. I will check it out for you.
>
> Captain Chuck Dickhut
> S/V Obsession #114
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dprudden <dprudden at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:04 pm
> Subject: [C320-list] Flag pole socket
>
>
> Would anyone have an idea of how many degrees the flag pole socket on the aft
> ulpit is canted? I'm an hour from the boat so I can't measure mine. I picked up
> n ultrasonic bird repeller that I want to mount on a stainless steel pole in
> he flag socket, but I need to bend it to stand vertically so the repeller will
> aim" in the right direction.
> Thanks,
> David Prudden
> 787
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:12:47 -0400
> From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
> Message-ID: <BAY156-DS4548DB90E3C12EAB0C7A7BE990 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Allan, I used some thin sheet insulation (mylar reflective with plastic
> honeycomb inside,) and made hatch covers with corner elastic straps to hold
> the sheets on the hatches. I put these on when I leave the boat. They help
> a lot in reducing the inside heat load, especially when I leave the AC on
> which I do a day before we are planning on arriving at the boat. They do
> cut down the light inside the boat; but, most things in life present a
> trade-off.
>
> Warren & Pattie Updike
> 1994 C320 #62 "Warr De Mar"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allan S Field [mailto:allan.field at verizon.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 3:10 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
>
> Kirk - We went with Annapolis CruisAir about 10 years ago and have never had
> a problem with the unit. We went with a 12,000 BTU unit. The compressor is
> in the port side locker. The outflow vent is above and to port of the
> cabinet above the refrigerator. The return is at the foot of the aft cabin
> bunk. The pump and water inflow thru-hull are under the aft cabin bunk
> close to the fresh water pump.
>
> When it gets really hot, like over 95 degrees, we close off the V-berth. (We
> removed the aft cabin door years ago.) But the A/C will cool the boat down
> even on those days with the V-berth cabin door open. It just won't get it
> much below about 72 when the sun is shining brightly and it's over 95. We
> recently bought the Hatch-Hoodie to put over the forward hatch but have not
> yet tried it out on the really hot days. Regardless, very few people, other
> than our grandsons when they were younger, ever sleep in the V-berth.
>
> We had a choice between a 16,000 BTU system (which we looked at on another
> C320) and the 12,000. The 16,000 is a "split-system" meaning there are 2
> compressor units and it takes up a lot of space, plus needs ducts. We have
> never regretted going with the 12,000. As for the head, several years ago
> we put a hook-and-eye on the door with the eye on the inside frame and the
> hook on the inside of the door so we can prop the door open a few inches
> when we are off the boat plus cool or warm the head when the AC/heat pump is
> running.
>
> This upgrade was the best thing we ever did on the boat. It really turned
> the boat into a summer home for us with a view that if we get tired of, we
> can change! The heating cycle also opens up March and November for staying
> on the boat. August is not a particularly sailor-friendly month on the
> Chesapeake but that does not stop us from going down to the boat for the
> weekend.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> Allan S. Field
> Sea Shadow - #808
> Columbia, MD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Kirk Mueller
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:44 AM
> To: C320-list at catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
>
> Hi All,
>
> Has anyone recently installed A/C in their boat. If so, what type and size?
> Where did they put the unit, the supply ducts and the return?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kirk Mueller
> Second Chance #361
> Rock Hall, MD
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:15:43 -0400
> From: dprudden <dprudden at comcast.net>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Flag pole socket
> Message-ID: <ED5BDB0F-F893-4D0F-BB00-4CCB724693A5 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I tried that.....
>
> He doubled the bread on my boat
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:57 PM, "Colin Evans" <twosailors at bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> Best bird repellant is to put bread on the boat next to you
>>
>> *************************
>> Regards
>> Colin Evans
>> Watermark
>> 2000 C320 # 774
>> Lake Macquarie, Australia
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Uhlman
>> Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 10:56 AM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Flag pole socket
>>
>> David, I would like more info. re. the bird repeller. We are having
>> problems
>> like that.
>>
>> Barb
>> Whisper #1158
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "dprudden at comcast.net" <dprudden at comcast.net>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Sent: Thu, June 6, 2013 6:04:31 PM
>> Subject: [C320-list] Flag pole socket
>>
>> Would anyone have an idea of how many degrees the flag pole socket on the
>> aft
>> pulpit is canted? I'm an hour from the boat so I can't measure mine. I
>> picked up
>> an ultrasonic bird repeller that I want to mount on a stainless steel pole
>> in
>> the flag socket, but I need to bend it to stand vertically so the repeller
>> will
>> "aim" in the right direction.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> David Prudden
>> #787
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:17:11 -0400
> From: dprudden <dprudden at comcast.net>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Flag pole socket
> Message-ID: <C386EBF7-B129-4265-98A1-A333DE5C95F7 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Thank you.
>
> David Prudden
> #787
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 6, 2013, at 10:03 PM, CHARLES DICKHUT <cdickhut2 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I am heading to the boat Friday afternoon. I will check it out for you.
>>
>> Captain Chuck Dickhut
>> S/V Obsession #114
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dprudden <dprudden at comcast.net>
>> To: C320-List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Thu, Jun 6, 2013 7:04 pm
>> Subject: [C320-list] Flag pole socket
>>
>>
>> Would anyone have an idea of how many degrees the flag pole socket on the aft
>> ulpit is canted? I'm an hour from the boat so I can't measure mine. I picked up
>> n ultrasonic bird repeller that I want to mount on a stainless steel pole in
>> he flag socket, but I need to bend it to stand vertically so the repeller will
>> aim" in the right direction.
>> Thanks,
>> David Prudden
>> 787
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:17:37 -0400
> From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
> Message-ID: <BAY156-DS19CD470458CC60BE757A15BE990 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Whatever Allan paid was a fraction of the cost today. Bruce Stumpp and I
> kept good records and agree that it cost us $3,300, including all the parts,
> hoses, etc. If we had the installation done by others, it could easily have
> cost $6,500 or more including the equipment. If you don't intend to do it
> yourself, you might want to consider how much you can do and what you need
> others to do for you.
>
> Warren & Pattie Updike
> 1994 C320 #62 "Warr De Mar"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirk Mueller [mailto:kirkm753 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 3:55 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
>
> Hey Alan,
>
> Do you just have the one supply (outflow) vent? I'm surprised that supplies
> enough airflow. Rock Hall is our home port and Annapolis CrusAir suggested
> Millers Marine to do the installation. I imagine having the return at the
> foot of the aft cabin bunk causes the air to be drawn into that part of the
> boat. Seems like a real simple/clean installation. If you don't mind
> sharing do you remember how much you paid?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kirk
>
> Sent from a tin can with a very long string. :-)
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2013, at 3:10 PM, "Allan S Field" <allan.field at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Kirk - We went with Annapolis CruisAir about 10 years ago and have
>> never had a problem with the unit. We went with a 12,000 BTU unit.
>> The compressor is in the port side locker. The outflow vent is above
>> and to port of the cabinet above the refrigerator. The return is at
>> the foot of the aft cabin bunk. The pump and water inflow thru-hull
>> are under the aft cabin bunk close to the fresh water pump.
>>
>> When it gets really hot, like over 95 degrees, we close off the
>> V-berth. (We removed the aft cabin door years ago.) But the A/C will
>> cool the boat down even on those days with the V-berth cabin door
>> open. It just won't get it much below about 72 when the sun is
>> shining brightly and it's over 95. We recently bought the
>> Hatch-Hoodie to put over the forward hatch but have not yet tried it
>> out on the really hot days. Regardless, very few people, other than our
> grandsons when they were younger, ever sleep in the V-berth.
>>
>> We had a choice between a 16,000 BTU system (which we looked at on
>> another
>> C320) and the 12,000. The 16,000 is a "split-system" meaning there
>> are 2 compressor units and it takes up a lot of space, plus needs
>> ducts. We have never regretted going with the 12,000. As for the
>> head, several years ago we put a hook-and-eye on the door with the eye
>> on the inside frame and the hook on the inside of the door so we can
>> prop the door open a few inches when we are off the boat plus cool or
>> warm the head when the AC/heat pump is running.
>>
>> This upgrade was the best thing we ever did on the boat. It really
>> turned the boat into a summer home for us with a view that if we get
>> tired of, we can change! The heating cycle also opens up March and
>> November for staying on the boat. August is not a particularly
>> sailor-friendly month on the Chesapeake but that does not stop us from
>> going down to the boat for the weekend.
>>
>> Hope this helps!
>>
>> Allan S. Field
>> Sea Shadow - #808
>> Columbia, MD
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Kirk
>> Mueller
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:44 AM
>> To: C320-list at catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Has anyone recently installed A/C in their boat. If so, what type and
> size?
>> Where did they put the unit, the supply ducts and the return?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kirk Mueller
>> Second Chance #361
>> Rock Hall, MD
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:40:37 -0400
> From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
> Message-ID: <BAY156-DS76D39E6771623C9431D42BE990 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> 12k vs 16k? I have to admit the 16k will handle high load conditions better
> than the 12K, stands to reason. It is simply a judgment call. The 16
> Cruiseair unit is about an inch taller than the 12k and we didn't want to
> give up that in the bread box. Also, as was brought to our attention by
> Denny at Annapolis Cruiseair, many AC units don't deliver their rated output
> - a problem well known with many products we buy. He assured us that this
> unit had been completely redesigned by Dometic to perform to specs. There
> are also other points such as the non-metallic condensate pan designed to
> deliver nearly all of the condensate to the drain. It won't rust, it won't
> spill.
>
> We installed a venturi type valve that pulls the condensate from the pan and
> incorporates it into the overboard discharge. I tested this recently by
> pouring a cup of water into the condensate pan. The water was quickly pulled
> out by the venturi action leaving the pan nearly dry. Of course the innate
> port list helped encourage the water to leave the pan. (:>)
>
> Only time will tell if we made the right choice. Denny was quite confident
> that the 12k would do the job.
>
> Warren & Pattie Updike
> 1994 C320 #62 "Warr De Mar"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirk Mueller [mailto:kirkm753 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 2:21 PM
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
>
> I feel your pain. I've had the boat for three months and it hasn't left
> the slip. -:)
>
> Kirk
> On Jun 6, 2013 1:01 PM, "Wash, Steve" <wash at advantageelectronics.com> wrote:
>
>> Kirk,
>>
>> Not yet. It usually just the 2 of us and the door stays open. The
>> louvers are on the endless things to do to the boat list - LOL.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com [mailto:
>> c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Kirk Mueller
>> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:19 PM
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
>>
>> Great information Steve. Did you put some louvers in the aft cabin door
>> so you can close it and still have air circulate?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kirk
>> On Jun 6, 2013 11:45 AM, "Wash, Steve" <wash at advantageelectronics.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Kirk,
>>>
>>> A large intake is located at the foot of the bed (a bit left of center).
>>> To the right of that is a pretty small discharge. I located it
>>> about
>> 12"
>>> over (I think). It is only 3x5 inches or so. I didn't want it at
>>> the head of the bed blowing on us. I kept it small so the intake
>>> wouldn't just suck the cool air back into the intake. The discharge
>>> has the usual louvers that permit us to aim it up and forward to
>>> discourage this. Since the return is in the aft berth, we also get
>>> cool air from the salon through the door. The 'Y' junction used in
>>> the installation has a diverter to help balance the flow. I haven't
>>> had a need to adjust it from the default 50% position.
>>>
>>> I'll be at the boat this weekend and take a picture ... The
>>> discharge in the aft berth is probably more useful when heating.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> #1029
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com [mailto:
>>> c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Kirk Mueller
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 10:49 AM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
>>>
>>> Hey Steve,
>>>
>>> Where in the aft berth did you put the discharge?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Kirk
>>> Second Chance #361
>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>>
>>> Sent from a tin can with a very long string. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:43 AM, "Wash, Steve"
>>> <wash at advantageelectronics.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> HI,
>>>> We have a 16K Marine Air unit - reverse cycle (Port Lazarette).
>>>> It has
>>> been a great choice given the last 2 summers on Lake Michigan have
>>> seen many days in the 90's. It cools down very quickly. We have a
>>> large discharge over the 'bread box' in the salon and a small
>>> discharge in the aft berth.
>>>>
>>>> The single 30A service has been mostly adequate. We have blown
>>>> the
>>> breaker on the rare occasion the A/C, microwave and water heater are
>>> on at the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck with your project.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> #1029
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Rick
>>>> Sulewski
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:30 PM
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
>>>>
>>>> I concur on the 16K AC/Heat unit selection as it may cycle less
>>>> and will
>>> more rapidly reach the target temperature. With a 16K unit we can
>>> come & go with the companionway open for extended periods on
>>> hot/humid days because the AC unit begins to noticeably recover the
>>> target temperature in just a few minutes. The 16K unit will also
>>> cool down the entire boat without having to partition off the
>>> v-berth or aft cabin. The difference between the 12K and 16K unit
>>> was only $200 just a
>> few years ago.
>>>> Rick
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> mtpoodles
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 8:58 PM
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
>>>>
>>>> The 16,000 btu unit has been a good choice. I know you will like it.
>>>>
>>>> Diane
>>>>
>>>> Marshall & Diane Lucas and
>>>> The Merrythought Poodles
>>>> S/V Merrythought
>>>> Catalina 320 #1037
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Kirk
>>>> Mueller
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 4:04 PM
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
>>>>
>>>> Hey Diane,
>>>>
>>>> Annapolis Cruisair suggested the 16,000 btu single unit.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Kirk
>>>>
>>>> Sent from a tin can with a very long string. :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 5, 2013, at 3:59 PM, Diane <mtpoodles at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Annapolis Cruisair also did our AC system. It is just as Allan
>>>>> described
>>>> as far as ducting. However, our single unit is 16,000 btu. The v
>>>> berth
>>> door does get closed in hot weather. The system works very well for
>>> both AC and heat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Diane
>>>>>
>>>>> Allan S Field <allan.field at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kirk - We went with Annapolis CruisAir about 10 years ago and
>>>>>> have never had a problem with the unit. We went with a 12,000 BTU
> unit.
>>>>>> The compressor is in the port side locker. The outflow vent is
>>>>>> above and to port of the cabinet above the refrigerator. The
>>>>>> return is at the foot of the aft cabin bunk. The pump and water
>>>>>> inflow thru-hull are under the aft cabin bunk close to the fresh
>> water pump.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When it gets really hot, like over 95 degrees, we close off the
>>>>>> V-berth. (We removed the aft cabin door years ago.) But the A/C
>>>>>> will cool the boat down even on those days with the V-berth
>>>>>> cabin door open. It just won't get it much below about 72 when
>>>>>> the sun is shining brightly and it's over 95.
>>>>>> We
>>>>>> recently bought the Hatch-Hoodie to put over the forward hatch
>>>>>> but have not yet tried it out on the really hot days.
>>>>>> Regardless, very few people, other than our grandsons when they
>>>>>> were younger, ever sleep in the V-berth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We had a choice between a 16,000 BTU system (which we looked at
>>>>>> on another
>>>>>> C320) and the 12,000. The 16,000 is a "split-system" meaning
>>>>>> there are
>>>>>> 2
>>>>>> compressor units and it takes up a lot of space, plus needs ducts.
>>>>>> We have never regretted going with the 12,000. As for the head,
>>>>>> several years ago we put a hook-and-eye on the door with the eye
>>>>>> on the inside frame and the hook on the inside of the door so we
>>>>>> can prop the door open a few inches when we are off the boat
>>>>>> plus cool or warm the head when the AC/heat pump is running.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This upgrade was the best thing we ever did on the boat. It
>>>>>> really turned the boat into a summer home for us with a view
>>>>>> that if we get tired of, we can change! The heating cycle also
>>>>>> opens up March and November for staying on the boat. August is
>>>>>> not a particularly sailor-friendly month on the Chesapeake but
>>>>>> that does not stop us from going down to the boat for the weekend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Allan S. Field
>>>>>> Sea Shadow - #808
>>>>>> Columbia, MD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Kirk Mueller
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 11:44 AM
>>>>>> To: C320-list at catalina320.com
>>>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Air Conditioning
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone recently installed A/C in their boat. If so, what
>>>>>> type and size?
>>>>>> Where did they put the unit, the supply ducts and the return?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kirk Mueller
>>>>>> Second Chance #361
>>>>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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