[C320-list] Dry Aqualift Muffler
Arthur Miller
millers1 at aol.com
Mon Nov 11 18:55:10 PST 2013
Warren, any info on a replacement Vetus for the factory supplied/built muffler would be a big help. I Have had to significantly glass mine and do not want to replace it with another questionable factory made unit.
Thanks,
Art. Hull 680
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 11, 2013, at 5:55 PM, Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I believe there is an owner of an early model 320 that did use a Vetus
> product. I might even be able to contact him. I believe he is in the
> Annapolis area.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Ott [mailto:wmo48 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:19 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry Aqualift Muffler
>
> I have hull #508 so there maybe obvious differences between our boats
> besides two different engines. The muffler you describe sounds like my
> design and if so there is nothing out there from a commercial supplier, like
> Vetus, to solve your problem.
> Pull the muffler and re glass is what I did. No problems since.
> Mike Ott
> 'Amanda Lu'
> #508
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:08 PM, "WINDER & KIRONDE" <wcwinder at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> I have recently taken my aqualift muffler out as it was leaking water.
>> I believe the previous owner did not drain it before the New England
>> winter so it developed some cracks and when I cranked the engine to
>> 2500 RPMs the exhaust pressure was forcing water out and into the
>> bilge.
>>
>> The operation of the muffler box is fairly simple. Sea or raw water
>> is introduced to the exhaust at the rear end of the manifold just
>> before the muffler, so there is a large amount of "dirty" exhaust
>> mixed with sea water entering the muffler box under quite a bit of
>> pressure. Although the outlet comes off the top of the muffler box
>> that exit pipe extends down close to the bottom of the box, so the
>> exhaust pressure very quickly forces the water out of the box up
>> through the pipe along with the gases. Unless you are excessively
>> cranking the engine without starting there should only be a small
>> amount of water in the box.
>>
>> Has anyone here used a different muffler box such as Vetus? Is there
>> one that fits? My C320 is a 1994 with a Perkins M30, 29hp engine.
>>
>> Bill Winder
>> C320 #0097
>>
>>
>>
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>> 1. Re: Dry aqua muffler (JJ Morrison)
>> 2. Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide system (Don Johnson)
>> 3. Re: Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide system
>> (Irving Grunes)
>> 4. Re: Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide system
>> (Allan S Field)
>> 5. Re: Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide system (John
>> Meyers)
>> 6. Re: Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide system (Chris
>> Burti)
>> 7. Re: Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide system (Roland
>> Ross)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 20:01:28 +0000
>> From: JJ Morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
>> To: Catalina List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry aqua muffler
>> Message-ID: <BAY172-W2213EBE3A3DB11D724E28AE9F30 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> I removed the water lift on my boat as I thought it was leaking around
>> the screws which attach it to the platform. It wasn't leaking but
>> rather was a pesky coolant hose which I later discovered. When I took
>> the muffler out there was very little water in it. While I had the
>> muffler out I serviced the drain cock and it now opens and closes
>> easily. I rarely get more than a half cup out of it. I too would like
>> to see how these fibreglas lift pots are made?CheersJohnM1999 #574
>>
>>> From: wupdike at hotmail.com
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:18:03 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry aqua muffler
>>>
>>> I don't know the internal design. I presume it is a baffled box of
>>> some sort. Others have removed it in order to fix a leak and
>> returned
>>> it to service. Some have returned it to Catalina who made a new one
>> as
>>> they are apparently custom made for the available space. As long as
>>> ours is working it's not high enough on the project list to deal
>> with.
>>> I've often thought if I had to take it out, I'd replace it with a
>>> stock unit like the Vetus Waterlock series. Check Vetus out on the
>>> web. Perhaps there is someone on this list with a production
>> muffler/waterlock?
>>>
>>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>>> 1994 C320 #62 "Warr De Mar"
>>>
>>>
>>> ----Original Message-----
>>> From: GREG SUTTON [mailto:sutt47 at msn.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 6:48 PM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry aqua muffler
>>>
>>> Thanks Warren, I have tried all those fixes on my boat also with no
>> success.
>>>
>>> I was concerned that part of the muffler is plugged so it's not
>>> allowing a free flow of water through out it. I am hoping that
>>> someone would respond with a cross section or a description of how
>> the
>>> muffler works to add in the problem's diagnosis. If I make the
>> effort
>>> to remove it, can I get it apart or is it sealed?
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>> From: wupdike at hotmail.com
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:19:44 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry aqua muffler
>>>>
>>>> Greg, we also have a 1994, and experience the same condition. I
>>>> have removed the petcock from the muffler and probed inside with a
>> coat hanger:
>>>> nothing. I have opened the petcock while the engine is running:
>>>> still no indication of expected water or pressure. Last year, I
>>>> replaced the petcock. It is a standard automotive type. No change.
>>
>>>> I am stumped why this would be so. Perhaps someone else on the
>> list knows.
>>>> The only issue that concerns me is that if the engine is cranked
>>>> excessively, you are supposed to drain the muffler. It seems this
>>
>>>> can't be done on our boats. I am careful to not crank the engine
>> too much.
>>>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>>>> 1994 C320 #62 "Warr De Mar"
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: GREG SUTTON [mailto:sutt47 at msn.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 9:44 PM
>>>> To: C320 Int. Association
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Dry aqua muffler
>>>>
>>>> I have a 1994 C320 with the Perkins M30 engine. It's my second
>> year
>>>> with the boat and during the last two winterization I have opened
>>>> the aqua muffler drain however nothing has ever drained out. Even
>>
>>>> during operation there hasn't been any water coming from the drain
>>
>>>> even though the engine runs at the proper temp and there is always
>> a
>>>> good flow of water from the exhaust. Not being familiar with the
>>>> muffler
>>> system, is this typical?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Greg Sutton
>>>> Liberty
>>>> #128
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:09:48 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Don Johnson <donjohn64 at att.net>
>> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide system
>> Message-ID:
>> <1383862188.52208.YahooMailNeo at web181304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> I'm looking at adding a Quantum Sails "Sail Pack" (not sure of their
>> name for it) to the boom, and a Strong Track/slide system to the mast
>> in order to be better able to raise/lower the main for single handling
>> the boat.? I have talked to a few people in the Long Beach marinas,
>> but I am wondering if any of you have added either or both to your
>> 320, and how do you like them. I would appreciate any feedback on
>> this.? Thanks much.
>> ?
>> Don Johnson
>> #53
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 21:44:53 -0500
>> From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: "C320-List at catalina320.com" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide
>> system
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <CAE+H+CJty+Zx9LZrdLOoc2PeZy6TQcFudG-TF-QiUHB9VvE6HQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> When we got our new mainsail from Scott Allen (Formerly UK Sails) in
>> Annapolis he suggested and we bought a three line dutchman system and
>> that works perfectly.
>> He also suggested the Tides slide, which we did not buy, but it is a
>> wonderful system that will never hang up on the gate9There is none)
>> Irv Grunes
>> 2001#851
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Don Johnson <donjohn64 at att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm looking at adding a Quantum Sails "Sail Pack" (not sure of their
>>
>>> name for it) to the boom, and a Strong Track/slide system to the
>> mast
>>> in order to be better able to raise/lower the main for single
>> handling
>>> the boat. I have talked to a few people in the Long Beach marinas,
>>> but I am wondering if any of you have added either or both to your
>>> 320, and how do you like them. I would appreciate any feedback on
>> this. Thanks much.
>>>
>>> Don Johnson
>>> #53
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 07:58:45 -0500
>> From: "Allan S Field" <allan.field at verizon.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide
>> system
>> Message-ID: <002b01cedc82$42cddd10$c8699730$@verizon.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>> I did purchase the Strong system about 10 years ago. It made little
>> difference in hoisting the sail. I believe that the problem that
>> remains is that the main halyard does not have a straight line from
>> the base of the mast through the rope clutch and back to the winch.
>> There is too much friction still as the halyard enters the side of the
>> rope clutch versus coming through in a straight line. But if one
>> hoists the main from the mast, a child can do so as my grandson at 8
>> years old was able to do so without needing the winch. He cannot get
>> the main up at all from the cockpit though. I would not recommend
>> purchasing this system for a C320 and not because the system is at
>> fault but rather the halyard does not have a fair lead back to the
>> cockpit. That said, it you or crew are OK going up on deck to hoist
>> the main, go for it!
>>
>> Allan S. Field
>> Sea Shadow - #808
>> Columbia, MD
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Irving
>> Grunes
>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:45 PM
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide
>> system
>>
>> When we got our new mainsail from Scott Allen (Formerly UK Sails) in
>> Annapolis he suggested and we bought a three line dutchman system and
>> that works perfectly.
>> He also suggested the Tides slide, which we did not buy, but it is a
>> wonderful system that will never hang up on the gate9There is none)
>> Irv Grunes
>> 2001#851
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Don Johnson <donjohn64 at att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm looking at adding a Quantum Sails "Sail Pack" (not sure of their
>>
>>> name for it) to the boom, and a Strong Track/slide system to the
>> mast
>>> in order to be better able to raise/lower the main for single
>> handling
>>> the boat. I have talked to a few people in the Long Beach marinas,
>>> but I am wondering if any of you have added either or both to your
>>> 320, and how do you like them. I would appreciate any feedback on
>> this.
>> Thanks much.
>>>
>>> Don Johnson
>>> #53
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 08:24:47 -0500
>> From: John Meyers <jcmeyers7 at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide
>> system
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <CANEXtrL1gvELuqxKMO5rPidrQw75gFhqM7H9e_WvrMTe2V+XUg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> On my #406 1997 when hauling up the main gets harder, I spray some
>> SailKote lubricant on the lugs from each side and as far up the luff
>> track as I can reach. It make a wonderful difference. We typically
>> raise the main about 40 times a season here in the Great (for sailing)
>> Lakes and I use that SailKote about 3 time per season.
>>
>> John Meyers
>> Wind Chime
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Don Johnson <donjohn64 at att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm looking at adding a Quantum Sails "Sail Pack" (not sure of their
>>
>>> name for it) to the boom, and a Strong Track/slide system to the
>> mast
>>> in order to be better able to raise/lower the main for single
>> handling
>>> the boat. I have talked to a few people in the Long Beach marinas,
>>> but I am wondering if any of you have added either or both to your
>>> 320, and how do you like them. I would appreciate any feedback on
>> this. Thanks much.
>>>
>>> Don Johnson
>>> #53
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 06:11:04 -0800
>> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
>> To: John Meyers <jcmeyers7 at gmail.com>, "C320-List at catalina320.com"
>> <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide
>> system
>> Message-ID: <-4704841691106772069 at unknownmsgid>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> We do this also. In addition, we thoroughly wet a cotton ball with
>> Sailkote, stuff it in the mast slot above the headboard slide and
>> raise the main once a year to clean the slot.
>>
>> Thanks, Chris Burti From: John Meyers
>> Sent: 11/8/2013 8:24 AM
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide
>> system On my #406 1997 when hauling up the main gets harder, I spray
>> some SailKote lubricant on the lugs from each side and as far up the
>> luff track as I can reach. It make a wonderful difference. We
>> typically raise the main about 40 times a season here in the Great
>> (for sailing) Lakes and I use that SailKote about 3 time per season.
>>
>> John Meyers
>> Wind Chime
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Don Johnson <donjohn64 at att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm looking at adding a Quantum Sails "Sail Pack" (not sure of their
>>
>>> name for it) to the boom, and a Strong Track/slide system to the
>> mast
>>> in order to be better able to raise/lower the main for single
>> handling
>>> the boat. I have talked to a few people in the Long Beach marinas,
>>> but I am wondering if any of you have added either or both to your
>>> 320, and how do you like them. I would appreciate any feedback on
>> this. Thanks much.
>>>
>>> Don Johnson
>>> #53
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:12:55 -0500
>> From: "Roland Ross" <rross at pillerross.com>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide
>> system
>> Message-ID: <003e01cedc95$00617d70$01247850$@com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> We purchased a "Winchrite", electric winch handle. It worked great
>> and took all the work out of raising the main. Santa Barbara #914.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Allan S
>> Field
>> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 7:59 AM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide
>> system
>>
>> I did purchase the Strong system about 10 years ago. It made little
>> difference in hoisting the sail. I believe that the problem that
>> remains is that the main halyard does not have a straight line from
>> the base of the mast through the rope clutch and back to the winch.
>> There is too much friction still as the halyard enters the side of the
>> rope clutch versus coming through in a straight line. But if one
>> hoists the main from the mast, a child can do so as my grandson at 8
>> years old was able to do so without needing the winch. He cannot get
>> the main up at all from the cockpit though. I would not recommend
>> purchasing this system for a C320 and not because the system is at
>> fault but rather the halyard does not have a fair lead back to the
>> cockpit. That said, it you or crew are OK going up on deck to hoist
>> the main, go for it!
>>
>> Allan S. Field
>> Sea Shadow - #808
>> Columbia, MD
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Irving
>> Grunes
>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:45 PM
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide
>> system
>>
>> When we got our new mainsail from Scott Allen (Formerly UK Sails) in
>> Annapolis he suggested and we bought a three line dutchman system and
>> that works perfectly.
>> He also suggested the Tides slide, which we did not buy, but it is a
>> wonderful system that will never hang up on the gate9There is none)
>> Irv Grunes
>> 2001#851
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Don Johnson <donjohn64 at att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm looking at adding a Quantum Sails "Sail Pack" (not sure of their
>>
>>> name for it) to the boom, and a Strong Track/slide system to the
>> mast
>>> in order to be better able to raise/lower the main for single
>> handling
>>> the boat. I have talked to a few people in the Long Beach marinas,
>>> but I am wondering if any of you have added either or both to your
>>> 320, and how do you like them. I would appreciate any feedback on
>> this.
>> Thanks much.
>>>
>>> Don Johnson
>>> #53
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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