[C320-list] VC17 - how many cans? - now Weep holes

Sun Mar 23 11:30:52 PDT 2014

On our #62, there is no way for water forward of the mast post to make it to the bilge pump until the bilge space fills and overflows. Well, that's not entirely true. Water may find its way from the v-berth along the port side following water hose to the space under the galley and under the liner. If you have a passage from under the galley through to the bilge pump then yes, once enough water has collected, it will pump out; but, never very dry without personal interaction. There are other spaces on the starboard side that similarly will not drain until full and overflowing. Not a good situation. A terrible design. All this was fixed in what is known as the "deep bilge" models. 
I believe the Catalina treatment for drilling the stringers also recommends plugging the holes after drained. At least I have such plugs in our stringers.
That said, I have learned to live with it and deal with it. Basically, if I don't have a fresh water leak, I don't have a problem. It's like our wives have learned to live with men who want to live on a small platform that moves slowly through the water often at extreme angles in uncomfortable weather going somewhere you could probably get to in 1/10 the time at much greater comfort and far less cost; but, not nearly with as much fun. Most of them learn to live with us. Mine has. The love of my life.

Warren and Pattie Updike
1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62

-----Original Message-----
From: Elizabeth Schwartz [mailto:schwartz781 at optonline.net] 
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 4:28 PM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] VC17 - how many cans? - now Weep holes

Ahoy Larry.....and thanks.....I do have the drawings from Catalina.....I 
wanted to know if there were any unforeseen problems drilling these 
holes in the floor timbers. If this fix allows most of the standing 
water to pass through, it would be a big improvement. Thanks...Joe

 On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Larry Frank wrote:

 > Hi Elizabeth,
>
> We have hull number 246!
>
> I don¹t think I have seen an answer to your weep hole question.  I did
> drill the weep holes.  Catalina sent me a drawing of where they
> recommended the holes be drilled.  If you want me to send it to you I
> think I need a different email address because I believe the mail 
> server
> removes attachments.  The holes do not work perfectly.  What I mean by
> that is to remove 100% of the water I need to insert a hose connected 
> to a
> wet vac and vacuum it out.
>
> Larry WindSwept C320 #246
>
> On 3/21/14, 7:43 AM, "Elizabeth Schwartz" wrote:
>
>> ahoy all.....I'm new to the C 320 group. Recently purchased 1995 hull
>> #245. Can someone send me a photo of the location of the holding tank
>> macerator discharge thru hull, that best allows for holding tank 
>> removal
>> if necessary?  Also, has anyone drilled out weep holes in the 
>> "hollow"
>> floor grid structure? Thanks.....Joe
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 06:46 AM, John Meyers wrote:
>>
>>> Here is another hint that will reduce evaporation in the roller pan.
>> Cover
>>> the pan with a board while rolling onto the boat. I do it with 2 
>>> cans.
>>>
>>> John Meyers
>>> Muskegon MI
>>> Wind Chime
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:59 PM, tharrison at innovations-plus.com <
>>> tharrison at innovations-plus.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill this was excellent information. I may be able to reduce my 
>>>> vc17
>>>> use
>>>> by 1 can.
>>>>
>>>> When you say cover to you mean the roller. Like a 13mm split form
>>>> nap?
>>>>
>>>> When do you change covers?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Ted hull 424
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 20, 2014, at 11:26 PM, Bill Culbertson
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm.  I'm on Lake Erie and I've put on VC17 for 13 years (6 
>>>>> times).
>>>>> I
>>>> always use 2.5 cans.  I use a roller from a pan and I don't dilute.
>>>> I put
>>>> on one coat every other year.  I "prep" the surface with a wet 
>>>> brush
>>>> to get
>>>> loose stuff off and let it dry.  The key is to do it quickly.  You
>>>> pour a
>>>> very small amount (compared to if you were house painting or
>>>> Alblative
>>>> bottom painting) into the pan - maybe such that the liquid extends
>>>> about 3"
>>>> from the deepest part of the pan up toward the shallow end or about
>>>> 1.5 to
>>>> 2.0 roller widths.  I use a 7" roller (I've used the recommended 4"
>>>> but I
>>>> get better results with 7").  Do not use a cheap cover.  Get it all
>>>> onto
>>>> the roller quickly and evenly - 2 or 3 swipes. If the roller can't
>>>> hold it
>>>> all, then pour less next time.  Then get that load onto the boat
>>>> quickly.
>>>> Getting that rollerful onto the boat takes me maybe 7 seconds or 
>>>> so.
>>>> I
>>>> think (from memory) that it is about 1.5 - 2.0 sq ft or so.  Then
>>>>> repeat.  I stir a lot - nearly every time I pour. Don't let any of
>>>>> it
>>>> sit in the pan for any time.  What goes into the pan stays in the 
>>>> pan
>>>> for
>>>> only as long as it takes to get it onto the roller.  For the whole
>>>> bottom I
>>>> think I tend to use about 3 covers.
>>>>>
>>>>> One other trick I started doing recently as my back started
>>>>> complaining
>>>> more the last few years :).  I used to do the entire bottom front 
>>>> to
>>>> back.
>>>>  Seemed obvious.  But now-a-days I do the nose (which really has no
>>>> flat
>>>> bottom surface) and then only the flat bottom surface front to 
>>>> back.
>>>> Like
>>>> painting a ceiling in a crawl space I tell my friends. I use knee
>>>> pads and
>>>> am on my knees most of the time unless it is too high.  I have a
>>>> small
>>>> plastic foot stool that I sit on when I can do so and still reach.
>>>> The
>>>> flat bottom part is the most uncomfortable for me.  After doing the
>>>> entire
>>>> flat bottom part then I pull out the stool and do the keel which is
>>>> quite
>>>> comfortable.  Then I do the rudder mostly standing which is
>>>> moderately
>>>> comfortable except for the lower part which I sometimes do sitting.
>>>> Now
>>>> comes the easy and comfortable part.  I go back to the nose and do
>>>> the
>>>> sides while standing.  I join the painted flat bottom part up to 
>>>> the
>>>> boot
>>>> stripe
>>>>> tape.  I'm standing upright the whole time and it is quite
>>>>> comfortable.
>>>> Which is good because by that time my back is killing me from doing
>>>> the
>>>> earlier stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I used to do it all front to back, I found the area aft of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> keel
>>>> Hell-on-wheels. First, there is a LOT of flat bottom area back 
>>>> there
>>>> and
>>>> second, by then I'm pretty sore already with lots of boat left to
>>>> paint.  I
>>>> used to think I was halfway done when I'd gotten to the back of the
>>>> keel.
>>>>  Now I don't think so given the boat shape.  The new scheme 
>>>> although
>>>> odd
>>>> and non-intuitive has worked out really well for me and my back 
>>>> these
>>>> last
>>>> few times.
>>>>>
>>>>>  -bill culbertson
>>>>>   Harmony #859
>>>>>   Western Lake Erie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: "bkuether at comcast.net" To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:47 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] VC17 - how many cans?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends on the temperature and how you apply.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are pouring the VC into a pan and rolling it on, I would 
>>>>> say
>>>> three.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are squirting the VC onto a roller, I once did my 320 with 
>>>>> 2
>>>>> but
>>>> it
>>>>> was tight!
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are using a pan and its hot out?  3.5 to 4.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Marek Fluder
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:35 PM
>>>>> To: C320-list at catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: [C320-list] VC17 - how many cans?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello listers,
>>>>>
>>>>> The highly anticipated time is coming after the long winter...
>>>>> If you use VC17 on your bottom, how many cans it usually takes?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Marek Fluder
>>>>
>>>
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