[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 2201, Issue 2
Don Poole
dpoole15 at gmail.com
Thu Nov 20 14:35:32 PST 2014
Noticed a comment in this "dry bilge" discussion that i felt the need to address. You do not have to remove the rudder to replace the prop shaft.
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> 1. Re: Dry bilge? (Allan S Field)
> 2. Re: Dry bilge? (William Ott)
> 3. Re: Dry bilge? (Chris Burti)
> 4. Re: Dry bilge? (jsheets at aol.com)
> 5. Re: Dry bilge? (sailorlew at aol.com)
> 6. Re: Dry bilge? (Chris Burti)
> 7. Re: Dry bilge? (Doug Treff)
> 8. Re: Dry bilge? (jim brown)
> 9. Re: Dry bilge? (Richard Cincinelli)
> 10. Re: Dry bilge? (tharrison at innovations-plus.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 09:25:24 -0500
> From: "Allan S Field" <allan.field at verizon.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
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> Doug - On Sea Shadow, we still have the original shaft and for 2 PSS installs, the shaft did not have to be removed. Could it be that your mechanic has an economic incentive for telling you that the shaft has to be pulled, the rudder dropped and that you need to buy a bronze shaft and maybe through him? (grin!)
>
> As for fragility of the bellows, I talked with PYY at a boat show as I was particularly concerned about the water in the bellows freezing over the winter and possibly rupturing the bellows. I was advised by PYY that this is not an issue and given that I leave the boat in the water year round and it has survived every winter, including the brutal one last year, I don't think this is an issue. Tehse things are quite robust and had a boat ever sunk for this reason, I think we would have heard of it. When our about 12 year old bellows was replaced this year when the boat was hauled for bottom painting, the bellows still looked fine with no signs of cracking or wear and tear. Again, we replaced it out of an abundance of caution and to get the non-burping function.
>
> Allan S. Field
> Sea Shadow - #808
> Columbia, MD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Doug Treff
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 8:50 AM
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
>
> Scott,
>
> If your stuffing box is dripping that much when the engine is not in gear, it probably needs tightening. It should not drip at all (or VERY
> little) unless your engine is in gear. The drip rate you mention is what would be normal when the shaft is turning. If you are unable to stop the drips when sitting still, it may be time to repack the stuffing box.
>
> See an excellent article on this topic by Don Casey:
> http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/stuffing-box.asp
>
> There are different types of stuffing media available which advertise to be drip free. I have not used any of them so I will not endorse any product. Maybe some other members who have used these products will speak up.
>
> Of course the most expensive option (and definitely drip free) is to switch to the PSS shaft seal, but this is a pretty big job. When I was contemplating the PSS, my mechanic told me that I would also need to replace my bronze prop shaft with Stainless Steel in order to do the job. I declined and went with traditional packing. On the C320, you will have to drop the rudder to get the shaft out. All these things start to add up quick, making this a potentially expensive job. Some people also don't like the PSS product because the rubber bellows is much more fragile than the shaft hose and if it splits or gets torn, your boat will sink. I have honestly never heard of this happening, but people do mention it. I have also heard that the bellows must be replaced every six years (per PSS website) which will naturally require the prop shaft to be pulled back, removal of the coupling, and a possible realignment.
>
> My point is this: Each one of these packing systems is a compromise. On conventional systems you can repack every few years without having to pull the shaft. The compromise is a wet bilge. On the PSS system, you will have a dry bilge but will face the added expense of pulling the shaft to replace the bellows periodically. Your call.
>
> My advice: get an estimate, taking into account all the things I mentioned above (replace shaft if yours is bronze, drop rudder, cutlass bearing replacement (might as well if the shaft is out) cost of PSS itself, etc. Show this estimate to your wife and let her decide if a dry bilge is worth that expense. She may just change her tune.
>
> ---
> Doug Treff
> September Song Hull #350
> doug at treff.us
>
>> On 2014-11-20 07:09, Scott Westwood wrote:
>> I have seen several notes on how to re-pack stuffing boxes etc...
>>
>> I also have heard different takes on dripping and "drip less" vs.
>> "dripless". My wife "hates" water in the bilge with a passion.
>>
>> Is there a truly safe way to get a dry bilge? Cost/benefit analysis?
>> You can but it would cost as muchas the boat etc???
>>
>> Our box drips 3-5 drips/minute even at the dock. Is this normal? I
>> hear it is for cooling underway etc...
>>
>>
>> What thoughts are out there?
>>
>> One concern we both have is the odd chance that we have a bilge pump
>> failure (or battery failure) at the dock. We have shore power but we
>> often can't get to the boat for a month or so. Worst fear is bilge
>> pump failure and boat sinks. I know it should not happen within a
>> month or so but there is also the fear of wood deck damage if bilge
>> water rises etc...
>>
>>
>> Thoughts out there?
>>
>>
>> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.netH (919)-362-8538C
>> (919)-618-7185
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 09:30:18 -0500
> From: William Ott <wmo48 at yahoo.com>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
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> Scott,
> Doug is right, sounds like you need to repack. We have a standard bronze shaft and packing gland. We have to run 1 1/2 hours each way to get to good sailing water. So at the end of a day sail, with 3 + hours of engine run time, I suck up 5 - 6 oz water that collected aft of engine pan with a turkey baser ... net result - dry bilge.
> Mike Ott
> 'Amanda Lu'
> #508
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 20, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Doug Treff <doug at treff.us> wrote:
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> If your stuffing box is dripping that much when the engine is not in gear, it probably needs tightening. It should not drip at all (or VERY little) unless your engine is in gear. The drip rate you mention is what would be normal when the shaft is turning. If you are unable to stop the drips when sitting still, it may be time to repack the stuffing box.
>>
>> See an excellent article on this topic by Don Casey: http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/stuffing-box.asp
>>
>> There are different types of stuffing media available which advertise to be drip free. I have not used any of them so I will not endorse any product. Maybe some other members who have used these products will speak up.
>>
>> Of course the most expensive option (and definitely drip free) is to switch to the PSS shaft seal, but this is a pretty big job. When I was contemplating the PSS, my mechanic told me that I would also need to replace my bronze prop shaft with Stainless Steel in order to do the job. I declined and went with traditional packing. On the C320, you will have to drop the rudder to get the shaft out. All these things start to add up quick, making this a potentially expensive job. Some people also don't like the PSS product because the rubber bellows is much more fragile than the shaft hose and if it splits or gets torn, your boat will sink. I have honestly never heard of this happening, but people do mention it. I have also heard that the bellows must be replaced every six years (per PSS website) which will naturally require the prop shaft to be pulled back, removal of the coupling, and a possible realignment.
>>
>> My point is this: Each one of these packing systems is a compromise. On conventional systems you can repack every few years without having to pull the shaft. The compromise is a wet bilge. On the PSS system, you will have a dry bilge but will face the added expense of pulling the shaft to replace the bellows periodically. Your call.
>>
>> My advice: get an estimate, taking into account all the things I mentioned above (replace shaft if yours is bronze, drop rudder, cutlass bearing replacement (might as well if the shaft is out) cost of PSS itself, etc. Show this estimate to your wife and let her decide if a dry bilge is worth that expense. She may just change her tune.
>>
>> ---
>> Doug Treff
>> September Song Hull #350
>> doug at treff.us
>>
>>> On 2014-11-20 07:09, Scott Westwood wrote:
>>> I have seen several notes on how to re-pack stuffing boxes etc...
>>> I also have heard different takes on dripping and "drip less" vs.
>>> "dripless". My wife "hates" water in the bilge with a passion.
>>> Is there a truly safe way to get a dry bilge? Cost/benefit analysis?
>>> You can but it would cost as muchas the boat etc???
>>> Our box drips 3-5 drips/minute even at the dock. Is this normal? I
>>> hear it is for cooling underway etc...
>>> What thoughts are out there?
>>> One concern we both have is the odd chance that we have a bilge pump
>>> failure (or battery failure) at the dock. We have shore power but we
>>> often can't get to the boat for a month or so. Worst fear is bilge
>>> pump failure and boat sinks. I know it should not happen within a
>>> month or so but there is also the fear of wood deck damage if bilge
>>> water rises etc...
>>> Thoughts out there?
>>> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.netH (919)-362-8538C (919)-618-7185
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 09:47:10 -0500
> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
> To: 320 <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
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> Scott,
> If adjusted to not drip when not running and one drip when running, no
> water gets to the bilge...it evaporates first. Mechanical seals can fail,
> if they do, you will have a lot of water coming on board.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 10:53:40 -0500
> From: jsheets at aol.com
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
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> We had to replace our shaft this summer due to discovery of some twisting, probably caused by PO fouling the prop. We replaced our bronze shaft with stainless steel. I am having trouble regulating the drip and it seems to get hotter than before. Any ideas as if the new stainless shaft makes a difference?
>
> Jerry
> JellyRoll # 890
>
>> On Nov 20, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Scott,
>> If adjusted to not drip when not running and one drip when running, no
>> water gets to the bilge...it evaporates first. Mechanical seals can fail,
>> if they do, you will have a lot of water coming on board.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 11:22:59 -0500
> From: sailorlew at aol.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> Message-ID: <8D1D2F562556EF3-1AA8-55E38 at webmail-va003.sysops.aol.com>
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> I use the Goretex stuffing & place a diaper under the stuffing box to absorb whatever drips there are, & my bilge stays totally dry.
> Lew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jsheets <jsheets at aol.com>
> To: C320-List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 20, 2014 10:54 am
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
>
>
> We had to replace our shaft this summer due to discovery of some twisting,
> probably caused by PO fouling the prop. We replaced our bronze shaft with
> stainless steel. I am having trouble regulating the drip and it seems to get
> hotter than before. Any ideas as if the new stainless shaft makes a difference?
>
> Jerry
> JellyRoll # 890
>
>> On Nov 20, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Scott,
>> If adjusted to not drip when not running and one drip when running, no
>> water gets to the bilge...it evaporates first. Mechanical seals can fail,
>> if they do, you will have a lot of water coming on board.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 11:38:26 -0500
> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
> To: 320 <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Jerry,
> What kind of packing material are you using?
>
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:53 AM, <jsheets at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> We had to replace our shaft this summer due to discovery of some twisting,
>> probably caused by PO fouling the prop. We replaced our bronze shaft with
>> stainless steel. I am having trouble regulating the drip and it seems to
>> get hotter than before. Any ideas as if the new stainless shaft makes a
>> difference?
>>
>> Jerry
>> JellyRoll # 890
>>
>>> On Nov 20, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Scott,
>>> If adjusted to not drip when not running and one drip when running, no
>>> water gets to the bilge...it evaporates first. Mechanical seals can fail,
>>> if they do, you will have a lot of water coming on board.
>
>
>
> --
> Chris Burti
> Farmville, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 11:56:50 -0500
> From: Doug Treff <doug at treff.us>
> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> Message-ID: <11c59e2e3a1977d09516d049859d3183 at treff.us>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> One more thing to throw out there - if you have a bronze shaft, be wary
> of the packing materials with graphite impregnated in them. Graphite is
> more noble than bronze and could cause corrosion problems.
>
> See the link here:
> http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/stuffing_box&page=3
>
>
> ---
> Doug Treff
> doug at treff.us
>
>> On 2014-11-20 11:38, Chris Burti wrote:
>> Jerry,
>> What kind of packing material are you using?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 17:36:14 +0000 (UTC)
> From: jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> Message-ID:
> <1262970610.2043585.1416504974268.JavaMail.yahoo at jws10055.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>
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>
> This discussions of the shaft packing has interested me. Almost everyone says that there should be no drips with the engine not in gear or off but the 320 manual says the following:
> "A properly adjusted shaft packing gland should drip slightly
> ( fiom l to 2 drops per minute ) with the engine off. Too loose
> an adjustment will allow too much water in the bilge and engine
> operation will spray water from the shaft. Too t'ight an
> adjustment will rob the engine of power, and the lack of water
> lubrication in the packing gland can generate enough heat to
> damage the gland and/or score the propeller shaft"
> I guess that this is based on the traditional flax packing. At 2 drops/min and 20 drops per ml that would be about? 144 cc a day (if my math is correct) I've used the Gortex packing and have adjusted to no drips when stationary and 1-2 drops when in gear. No overheating of the packing nuts and no scoring of the SS shaft for a couple of years now.
>
> I hadn't looked a the PSS Shaft Seal site recently but they used to state that the product was used by the US Navy and now the don't advertise that. Someone mentioned that the Navy had stopped using them but I don't know if that's correct of is it is why they stopped. I did notice that they no longer offer the seal without the water connection for low rpm use like they used to. So it looks like any installation would require a water feed. Has anyone installed one recently? I was thinking of this option when the boat is next hauled but adding some gortex looks easier.
>
> Jim Brown
>
>
>
> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
> To: 320 <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
>
> Jerry,
> What kind of packing material are you using?
>
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:53 AM, <jsheets at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> We had to replace our shaft this summer due to discovery of some twisting,
>> probably caused by PO fouling the prop. We replaced our bronze shaft with
>> stainless steel. I am having trouble regulating the drip and it seems to
>> get hotter than before. Any ideas as if the new stainless shaft makes a
>> difference?
>>
>> Jerry
>> JellyRoll? # 890
>>
>>> On Nov 20, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Scott,
>>> If adjusted to not drip when not running and one drip when running, no
>>> water gets to the bilge...it evaporates first. Mechanical seals can fail,
>>> if they do, you will have a lot of water coming on board.
>
>
>
> --
> Chris Burti
> Farmville, NC
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 09:36:45 -0800
> From: "Richard Cincinelli" <rcincinelli at roadrunner.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> Message-ID: <013c01d004e8$8e14b570$aa3e2050$@roadrunner.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> My understanding from Garry Douglas, 2013 Catalina island Rendezvous, is
> that the PSS is no longer being used by Catalina. Seem that if the water
> jacket
> loses water that the unit has failed. This can occur if there is an air
> bubble in the system. Failure can cause the unit to
> become an opening to the sea. I have a 2012 355 and it came with a Gore-Tex
> packing as the standard.
>
> Richard Cincinelli
> (310) 722-1044
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf
> Of Karl Mielenhausen
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 5:29 AM
> To: C320IA Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
>
> The only totally dry solution that I know of is the PSS system. There is a
> nice article on it here...
> http://www.correctcraftfan.com/articles/PSS.asp
>
> I believe the newer Catalina's have this and many owners have converted.
>
> Karl
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Scott Westwood <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net
>> wrote:
>
>> But that still ends up with water in the bilge. Is there a way to get
>> a "truly" dry bilge with a shaft thru the hull? Or... If you have an
>> inboard engine you just have to live with water in the bilge? Just deal
> with it?
>>
>> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.netH (919)-362-8538C
>> (919)-618-7185
>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>> On Thu, 11/20/14, Karl Mielenhausen <kmielen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
>> To: "C320IA Discussion List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014, 7:43 AM
>>
>> Switch over to Gore-tex
>> packing...
>>
>> http://www.emarineinc.com/products/GFO-Packing%2C-3%7B47%7D16-in.%285-
>> mm%29-2-foot.html
>>
>> The 3/16" size should
>> allow you space for 3 rings (stagger the joints).
>> This stuff really runs cool. I tighten so that I get about one drop
>> every
>> 60 seconds WHEN
>> RUNNING. Readjust after 2 hours of runtime.
>>
>> Note to all members:
>> The discussion list archives can be easily searched by going here...
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/c320-list
>> We have a huge history of discussions that probably will answer 90%
>> of the questions that members post. Not that we don't want to talk
>> to you, but just suggested in the interest of timeliness. Also,
>> when you ask a question, it usually helps to list your hull number
>> and engine make (if appropriate).
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>
>> Karl
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at
>> 7:09 AM, Scott Westwood <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net > wrote:
>>
>>> I have seen several notes on how to re-pack stuffing boxes etc...
>>>
>>> I also have heard different takes on dripping and "drip less" vs.
>> "dripless". My wife "hates" water in the bilge with a passion.
>>>
>>> Is there a truly safe way to get a dry bilge? Cost/benefit
>> analysis? You > can but it would cost as muchas the boat etc???
>>>
>>> Our box drips 3-5
>> drips/minute even at the dock. Is this normal? I hear > it is for
>> cooling underway etc...
>> What thoughts are out there?
>>>
>>> One concern we both have is the odd chance that we have a bilge
>> pump > failure (or battery failure) at the dock. We have shore
>> power but we often > can't get to the boat for a month or so.
>> Worst fear is bilge pump failure > and boat sinks. I know it should
>> not happen within a month or so but there > is also the fear of
>> wood deck damage if bilge water rises etc...
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts out there?
>> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.netH (919)-362-8538C
>> (919)-618-7185 > > >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 13:08:33 -0500
> From: "tharrison at innovations-plus.com"
> <tharrison at innovations-plus.com>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> Message-ID:
> <5725B229-7064-40BC-B0F2-F501CC72CFC9 at innovations-plus.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Brass or stainless steal shaft?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 20, 2014, at 12:36 PM, "Richard Cincinelli" <rcincinelli at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>
>> My understanding from Garry Douglas, 2013 Catalina island Rendezvous, is
>> that the PSS is no longer being used by Catalina. Seem that if the water
>> jacket
>> loses water that the unit has failed. This can occur if there is an air
>> bubble in the system. Failure can cause the unit to
>> become an opening to the sea. I have a 2012 355 and it came with a Gore-Tex
>> packing as the standard.
>>
>> Richard Cincinelli
>> (310) 722-1044
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf
>> Of Karl Mielenhausen
>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 5:29 AM
>> To: C320IA Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
>>
>> The only totally dry solution that I know of is the PSS system. There is a
>> nice article on it here...
>> http://www.correctcraftfan.com/articles/PSS.asp
>>
>> I believe the newer Catalina's have this and many owners have converted.
>>
>> Karl
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Scott Westwood <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net
>>> wrote:
>>
>>> But that still ends up with water in the bilge. Is there a way to get
>>> a "truly" dry bilge with a shaft thru the hull? Or... If you have an
>>> inboard engine you just have to live with water in the bilge? Just deal
>> with it?
>>>
>>> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.netH (919)-362-8538C
>>> (919)-618-7185
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Thu, 11/20/14, Karl Mielenhausen <kmielen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
>>> To: "C320IA Discussion List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014, 7:43 AM
>>>
>>> Switch over to Gore-tex
>>> packing...
>>>
>>> http://www.emarineinc.com/products/GFO-Packing%2C-3%7B47%7D16-in.%285-
>>> mm%29-2-foot.html
>>>
>>> The 3/16" size should
>>> allow you space for 3 rings (stagger the joints).
>>> This stuff really runs cool. I tighten so that I get about one drop
>>> every
>>> 60 seconds WHEN
>>> RUNNING. Readjust after 2 hours of runtime.
>>>
>>> Note to all members:
>>> The discussion list archives can be easily searched by going here...
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/c320-list
>>> We have a huge history of discussions that probably will answer 90%
>>> of the questions that members post. Not that we don't want to talk
>>> to you, but just suggested in the interest of timeliness. Also,
>>> when you ask a question, it usually helps to list your hull number
>>> and engine make (if appropriate).
>>>
>>> Karl
>>>
>>>
>>> Karl
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at
>>> 7:09 AM, Scott Westwood <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have seen several notes on how to re-pack stuffing boxes etc...
>>>>
>>>> I also have heard different takes on dripping and "drip less" vs.
>>> "dripless". My wife "hates" water in the bilge with a passion.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a truly safe way to get a dry bilge? Cost/benefit
>>> analysis? You > can but it would cost as muchas the boat etc???
>>>>
>>>> Our box drips 3-5
>>> drips/minute even at the dock. Is this normal? I hear > it is for
>>> cooling underway etc...
>>> What thoughts are out there?
>>>>
>>>> One concern we both have is the odd chance that we have a bilge
>>> pump > failure (or battery failure) at the dock. We have shore
>>> power but we often > can't get to the boat for a month or so.
>>> Worst fear is bilge pump failure > and boat sinks. I know it should
>>> not happen within a month or so but there > is also the fear of
>>> wood deck damage if bilge water rises etc...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts out there?
>>> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.netH (919)-362-8538C
>>> (919)-618-7185 > > >
>
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