[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 2201, Issue 2
Martin Rosenberg
martinlrosenberg at gmail.com
Thu Nov 20 19:28:13 PST 2014
When I installed a PSS shaft seal last year I had a terrible time removing
the shaft coupling. It looks like the shady is perfectly aligned with the
rudder and I was sure that the shaft would not come out without removing
it. Am I wrong?
Martin Rosenberg
Avalon #823
On Nov 20, 2014 5:35 PM, "Don Poole" <dpoole15 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Noticed a comment in this "dry bilge" discussion that i felt the need to
> address. You do not have to remove the rudder to replace the prop shaft.
>
>
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> > 1. Re: Dry bilge? (Allan S Field)
> > 2. Re: Dry bilge? (William Ott)
> > 3. Re: Dry bilge? (Chris Burti)
> > 4. Re: Dry bilge? (jsheets at aol.com)
> > 5. Re: Dry bilge? (sailorlew at aol.com)
> > 6. Re: Dry bilge? (Chris Burti)
> > 7. Re: Dry bilge? (Doug Treff)
> > 8. Re: Dry bilge? (jim brown)
> > 9. Re: Dry bilge? (Richard Cincinelli)
> > 10. Re: Dry bilge? (tharrison at innovations-plus.com)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 09:25:24 -0500
> > From: "Allan S Field" <allan.field at verizon.net>
> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> > Message-ID: <001d01d004cd$d34537c0$79cfa740$@verizon.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Doug - On Sea Shadow, we still have the original shaft and for 2 PSS
> installs, the shaft did not have to be removed. Could it be that your
> mechanic has an economic incentive for telling you that the shaft has to be
> pulled, the rudder dropped and that you need to buy a bronze shaft and
> maybe through him? (grin!)
> >
> > As for fragility of the bellows, I talked with PYY at a boat show as I
> was particularly concerned about the water in the bellows freezing over the
> winter and possibly rupturing the bellows. I was advised by PYY that this
> is not an issue and given that I leave the boat in the water year round and
> it has survived every winter, including the brutal one last year, I don't
> think this is an issue. Tehse things are quite robust and had a boat ever
> sunk for this reason, I think we would have heard of it. When our about 12
> year old bellows was replaced this year when the boat was hauled for bottom
> painting, the bellows still looked fine with no signs of cracking or wear
> and tear. Again, we replaced it out of an abundance of caution and to get
> the non-burping function.
> >
> > Allan S. Field
> > Sea Shadow - #808
> > Columbia, MD
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On
> Behalf Of Doug Treff
> > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 8:50 AM
> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> >
> > Scott,
> >
> > If your stuffing box is dripping that much when the engine is not in
> gear, it probably needs tightening. It should not drip at all (or VERY
> > little) unless your engine is in gear. The drip rate you mention is what
> would be normal when the shaft is turning. If you are unable to stop the
> drips when sitting still, it may be time to repack the stuffing box.
> >
> > See an excellent article on this topic by Don Casey:
> > http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/stuffing-box.asp
> >
> > There are different types of stuffing media available which advertise to
> be drip free. I have not used any of them so I will not endorse any
> product. Maybe some other members who have used these products will speak
> up.
> >
> > Of course the most expensive option (and definitely drip free) is to
> switch to the PSS shaft seal, but this is a pretty big job. When I was
> contemplating the PSS, my mechanic told me that I would also need to
> replace my bronze prop shaft with Stainless Steel in order to do the job. I
> declined and went with traditional packing. On the C320, you will have to
> drop the rudder to get the shaft out. All these things start to add up
> quick, making this a potentially expensive job. Some people also don't like
> the PSS product because the rubber bellows is much more fragile than the
> shaft hose and if it splits or gets torn, your boat will sink. I have
> honestly never heard of this happening, but people do mention it. I have
> also heard that the bellows must be replaced every six years (per PSS
> website) which will naturally require the prop shaft to be pulled back,
> removal of the coupling, and a possible realignment.
> >
> > My point is this: Each one of these packing systems is a compromise. On
> conventional systems you can repack every few years without having to pull
> the shaft. The compromise is a wet bilge. On the PSS system, you will have
> a dry bilge but will face the added expense of pulling the shaft to replace
> the bellows periodically. Your call.
> >
> > My advice: get an estimate, taking into account all the things I
> mentioned above (replace shaft if yours is bronze, drop rudder, cutlass
> bearing replacement (might as well if the shaft is out) cost of PSS itself,
> etc. Show this estimate to your wife and let her decide if a dry bilge is
> worth that expense. She may just change her tune.
> >
> > ---
> > Doug Treff
> > September Song Hull #350
> > doug at treff.us
> >
> >> On 2014-11-20 07:09, Scott Westwood wrote:
> >> I have seen several notes on how to re-pack stuffing boxes etc...
> >>
> >> I also have heard different takes on dripping and "drip less" vs.
> >> "dripless". My wife "hates" water in the bilge with a passion.
> >>
> >> Is there a truly safe way to get a dry bilge? Cost/benefit analysis?
> >> You can but it would cost as muchas the boat etc???
> >>
> >> Our box drips 3-5 drips/minute even at the dock. Is this normal? I
> >> hear it is for cooling underway etc...
> >>
> >>
> >> What thoughts are out there?
> >>
> >> One concern we both have is the odd chance that we have a bilge pump
> >> failure (or battery failure) at the dock. We have shore power but we
> >> often can't get to the boat for a month or so. Worst fear is bilge
> >> pump failure and boat sinks. I know it should not happen within a
> >> month or so but there is also the fear of wood deck damage if bilge
> >> water rises etc...
> >>
> >>
> >> Thoughts out there?
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.netH (919)-362-8538C
> >> (919)-618-7185
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 09:30:18 -0500
> > From: William Ott <wmo48 at yahoo.com>
> > To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> > Message-ID: <AE1C614A-A30E-4167-8C37-B497FA3314E6 at yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Scott,
> > Doug is right, sounds like you need to repack. We have a standard
> bronze shaft and packing gland. We have to run 1 1/2 hours each way to get
> to good sailing water. So at the end of a day sail, with 3 + hours of
> engine run time, I suck up 5 - 6 oz water that collected aft of engine pan
> with a turkey baser ... net result - dry bilge.
> > Mike Ott
> > 'Amanda Lu'
> > #508
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Nov 20, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Doug Treff <doug at treff.us> wrote:
> >>
> >> Scott,
> >>
> >> If your stuffing box is dripping that much when the engine is not in
> gear, it probably needs tightening. It should not drip at all (or VERY
> little) unless your engine is in gear. The drip rate you mention is what
> would be normal when the shaft is turning. If you are unable to stop the
> drips when sitting still, it may be time to repack the stuffing box.
> >>
> >> See an excellent article on this topic by Don Casey:
> http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/stuffing-box.asp
> >>
> >> There are different types of stuffing media available which advertise
> to be drip free. I have not used any of them so I will not endorse any
> product. Maybe some other members who have used these products will speak
> up.
> >>
> >> Of course the most expensive option (and definitely drip free) is to
> switch to the PSS shaft seal, but this is a pretty big job. When I was
> contemplating the PSS, my mechanic told me that I would also need to
> replace my bronze prop shaft with Stainless Steel in order to do the job. I
> declined and went with traditional packing. On the C320, you will have to
> drop the rudder to get the shaft out. All these things start to add up
> quick, making this a potentially expensive job. Some people also don't like
> the PSS product because the rubber bellows is much more fragile than the
> shaft hose and if it splits or gets torn, your boat will sink. I have
> honestly never heard of this happening, but people do mention it. I have
> also heard that the bellows must be replaced every six years (per PSS
> website) which will naturally require the prop shaft to be pulled back,
> removal of the coupling, and a possible realignment.
> >>
> >> My point is this: Each one of these packing systems is a compromise. On
> conventional systems you can repack every few years without having to pull
> the shaft. The compromise is a wet bilge. On the PSS system, you will have
> a dry bilge but will face the added expense of pulling the shaft to replace
> the bellows periodically. Your call.
> >>
> >> My advice: get an estimate, taking into account all the things I
> mentioned above (replace shaft if yours is bronze, drop rudder, cutlass
> bearing replacement (might as well if the shaft is out) cost of PSS itself,
> etc. Show this estimate to your wife and let her decide if a dry bilge is
> worth that expense. She may just change her tune.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Doug Treff
> >> September Song Hull #350
> >> doug at treff.us
> >>
> >>> On 2014-11-20 07:09, Scott Westwood wrote:
> >>> I have seen several notes on how to re-pack stuffing boxes etc...
> >>> I also have heard different takes on dripping and "drip less" vs.
> >>> "dripless". My wife "hates" water in the bilge with a passion.
> >>> Is there a truly safe way to get a dry bilge? Cost/benefit analysis?
> >>> You can but it would cost as muchas the boat etc???
> >>> Our box drips 3-5 drips/minute even at the dock. Is this normal? I
> >>> hear it is for cooling underway etc...
> >>> What thoughts are out there?
> >>> One concern we both have is the odd chance that we have a bilge pump
> >>> failure (or battery failure) at the dock. We have shore power but we
> >>> often can't get to the boat for a month or so. Worst fear is bilge
> >>> pump failure and boat sinks. I know it should not happen within a
> >>> month or so but there is also the fear of wood deck damage if bilge
> >>> water rises etc...
> >>> Thoughts out there?
> >>> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.netH (919)-362-8538C
> (919)-618-7185
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 09:47:10 -0500
> > From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
> > To: 320 <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAAAgXkzEHJ3iO0FAX+n9AC1BYZzHCVwqftA6FqNkv84Y9tgjVg at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Scott,
> > If adjusted to not drip when not running and one drip when running, no
> > water gets to the bilge...it evaporates first. Mechanical seals can fail,
> > if they do, you will have a lot of water coming on board.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 10:53:40 -0500
> > From: jsheets at aol.com
> > To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> > Message-ID: <B0351124-40B9-41F7-BC1F-0832F2CCDD6F at aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > We had to replace our shaft this summer due to discovery of some
> twisting, probably caused by PO fouling the prop. We replaced our bronze
> shaft with stainless steel. I am having trouble regulating the drip and it
> seems to get hotter than before. Any ideas as if the new stainless shaft
> makes a difference?
> >
> > Jerry
> > JellyRoll # 890
> >
> >> On Nov 20, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Scott,
> >> If adjusted to not drip when not running and one drip when running, no
> >> water gets to the bilge...it evaporates first. Mechanical seals can
> fail,
> >> if they do, you will have a lot of water coming on board.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 11:22:59 -0500
> > From: sailorlew at aol.com
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> > Message-ID: <8D1D2F562556EF3-1AA8-55E38 at webmail-va003.sysops.aol.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > I use the Goretex stuffing & place a diaper under the stuffing box to
> absorb whatever drips there are, & my bilge stays totally dry.
> > Lew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jsheets <jsheets at aol.com>
> > To: C320-List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Sent: Thu, Nov 20, 2014 10:54 am
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> >
> >
> > We had to replace our shaft this summer due to discovery of some
> twisting,
> > probably caused by PO fouling the prop. We replaced our bronze shaft with
> > stainless steel. I am having trouble regulating the drip and it seems to
> get
> > hotter than before. Any ideas as if the new stainless shaft makes a
> difference?
> >
> > Jerry
> > JellyRoll # 890
> >
> >> On Nov 20, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Scott,
> >> If adjusted to not drip when not running and one drip when running, no
> >> water gets to the bilge...it evaporates first. Mechanical seals can
> fail,
> >> if they do, you will have a lot of water coming on board.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 11:38:26 -0500
> > From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
> > To: 320 <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAAAgXky_45R0fWh1N0hxGQPf1NgT_hyyX06ZKKk05vguE3cP8A at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Jerry,
> > What kind of packing material are you using?
> >
> >> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:53 AM, <jsheets at aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> We had to replace our shaft this summer due to discovery of some
> twisting,
> >> probably caused by PO fouling the prop. We replaced our bronze shaft
> with
> >> stainless steel. I am having trouble regulating the drip and it seems to
> >> get hotter than before. Any ideas as if the new stainless shaft makes a
> >> difference?
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >> JellyRoll # 890
> >>
> >>> On Nov 20, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Scott,
> >>> If adjusted to not drip when not running and one drip when running, no
> >>> water gets to the bilge...it evaporates first. Mechanical seals can
> fail,
> >>> if they do, you will have a lot of water coming on board.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Chris Burti
> > Farmville, NC
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 11:56:50 -0500
> > From: Doug Treff <doug at treff.us>
> > To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> > Message-ID: <11c59e2e3a1977d09516d049859d3183 at treff.us>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >
> > One more thing to throw out there - if you have a bronze shaft, be wary
> > of the packing materials with graphite impregnated in them. Graphite is
> > more noble than bronze and could cause corrosion problems.
> >
> > See the link here:
> > http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/stuffing_box&page=3
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Doug Treff
> > doug at treff.us
> >
> >> On 2014-11-20 11:38, Chris Burti wrote:
> >> Jerry,
> >> What kind of packing material are you using?
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 17:36:14 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>
> > To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> 1262970610.2043585.1416504974268.JavaMail.yahoo at jws10055.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > This discussions of the shaft packing has interested me. Almost everyone
> says that there should be no drips with the engine not in gear or off but
> the 320 manual says the following:
> > "A properly adjusted shaft packing gland should drip slightly
> > ( fiom l to 2 drops per minute ) with the engine off. Too loose
> > an adjustment will allow too much water in the bilge and engine
> > operation will spray water from the shaft. Too t'ight an
> > adjustment will rob the engine of power, and the lack of water
> > lubrication in the packing gland can generate enough heat to
> > damage the gland and/or score the propeller shaft"
> > I guess that this is based on the traditional flax packing. At 2
> drops/min and 20 drops per ml that would be about? 144 cc a day (if my math
> is correct) I've used the Gortex packing and have adjusted to no drips when
> stationary and 1-2 drops when in gear. No overheating of the packing nuts
> and no scoring of the SS shaft for a couple of years now.
> >
> > I hadn't looked a the PSS Shaft Seal site recently but they used to
> state that the product was used by the US Navy and now the don't advertise
> that. Someone mentioned that the Navy had stopped using them but I don't
> know if that's correct of is it is why they stopped. I did notice that they
> no longer offer the seal without the water connection for low rpm use like
> they used to. So it looks like any installation would require a water feed.
> Has anyone installed one recently? I was thinking of this option when the
> boat is next hauled but adding some gortex looks easier.
> >
> > Jim Brown
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
> > To: 320 <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 11:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> >
> > Jerry,
> > What kind of packing material are you using?
> >
> >> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:53 AM, <jsheets at aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> We had to replace our shaft this summer due to discovery of some
> twisting,
> >> probably caused by PO fouling the prop. We replaced our bronze shaft
> with
> >> stainless steel. I am having trouble regulating the drip and it seems to
> >> get hotter than before. Any ideas as if the new stainless shaft makes a
> >> difference?
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >> JellyRoll? # 890
> >>
> >>> On Nov 20, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Scott,
> >>> If adjusted to not drip when not running and one drip when running, no
> >>> water gets to the bilge...it evaporates first. Mechanical seals can
> fail,
> >>> if they do, you will have a lot of water coming on board.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Chris Burti
> > Farmville, NC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 09:36:45 -0800
> > From: "Richard Cincinelli" <rcincinelli at roadrunner.com>
> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> > Message-ID: <013c01d004e8$8e14b570$aa3e2050$@roadrunner.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > My understanding from Garry Douglas, 2013 Catalina island Rendezvous, is
> > that the PSS is no longer being used by Catalina. Seem that if the water
> > jacket
> > loses water that the unit has failed. This can occur if there is an air
> > bubble in the system. Failure can cause the unit to
> > become an opening to the sea. I have a 2012 355 and it came with a
> Gore-Tex
> > packing as the standard.
> >
> > Richard Cincinelli
> > (310) 722-1044
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of Karl Mielenhausen
> > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 5:29 AM
> > To: C320IA Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> >
> > The only totally dry solution that I know of is the PSS system. There is
> a
> > nice article on it here...
> > http://www.correctcraftfan.com/articles/PSS.asp
> >
> > I believe the newer Catalina's have this and many owners have converted.
> >
> > Karl
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Scott Westwood <
> scottwestwood at bellsouth.net
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> But that still ends up with water in the bilge. Is there a way to get
> >> a "truly" dry bilge with a shaft thru the hull? Or... If you have an
> >> inboard engine you just have to live with water in the bilge? Just deal
> > with it?
> >>
> >> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.netH (919)-362-8538C
> >> (919)-618-7185
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------
> >> On Thu, 11/20/14, Karl Mielenhausen <kmielen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> >> To: "C320IA Discussion List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> >> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014, 7:43 AM
> >>
> >> Switch over to Gore-tex
> >> packing...
> >>
> >> http://www.emarineinc.com/products/GFO-Packing%2C-3%7B47%7D16-in.%285-
> >> mm%29-2-foot.html
> >>
> >> The 3/16" size should
> >> allow you space for 3 rings (stagger the joints).
> >> This stuff really runs cool. I tighten so that I get about one drop
> >> every
> >> 60 seconds WHEN
> >> RUNNING. Readjust after 2 hours of runtime.
> >>
> >> Note to all members:
> >> The discussion list archives can be easily searched by going here...
> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/c320-list
> >> We have a huge history of discussions that probably will answer 90%
> >> of the questions that members post. Not that we don't want to talk
> >> to you, but just suggested in the interest of timeliness. Also,
> >> when you ask a question, it usually helps to list your hull number
> >> and engine make (if appropriate).
> >>
> >> Karl
> >>
> >>
> >> Karl
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at
> >> 7:09 AM, Scott Westwood <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net > wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have seen several notes on how to re-pack stuffing boxes etc...
> >>>
> >>> I also have heard different takes on dripping and "drip less" vs.
> >> "dripless". My wife "hates" water in the bilge with a passion.
> >>>
> >>> Is there a truly safe way to get a dry bilge? Cost/benefit
> >> analysis? You > can but it would cost as muchas the boat etc???
> >>>
> >>> Our box drips 3-5
> >> drips/minute even at the dock. Is this normal? I hear > it is for
> >> cooling underway etc...
> >> What thoughts are out there?
> >>>
> >>> One concern we both have is the odd chance that we have a bilge
> >> pump > failure (or battery failure) at the dock. We have shore
> >> power but we often > can't get to the boat for a month or so.
> >> Worst fear is bilge pump failure > and boat sinks. I know it should
> >> not happen within a month or so but there > is also the fear of
> >> wood deck damage if bilge water rises etc...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts out there?
> >> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.netH (919)-362-8538C
> >> (919)-618-7185 > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 13:08:33 -0500
> > From: "tharrison at innovations-plus.com"
> > <tharrison at innovations-plus.com>
> > To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> > Message-ID:
> > <5725B229-7064-40BC-B0F2-F501CC72CFC9 at innovations-plus.com>
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> >
> > Brass or stainless steal shaft?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 20, 2014, at 12:36 PM, "Richard Cincinelli" <
> rcincinelli at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> My understanding from Garry Douglas, 2013 Catalina island Rendezvous,
> is
> >> that the PSS is no longer being used by Catalina. Seem that if the water
> >> jacket
> >> loses water that the unit has failed. This can occur if there is an air
> >> bubble in the system. Failure can cause the unit to
> >> become an opening to the sea. I have a 2012 355 and it came with a
> Gore-Tex
> >> packing as the standard.
> >>
> >> Richard Cincinelli
> >> (310) 722-1044
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On
> Behalf
> >> Of Karl Mielenhausen
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 5:29 AM
> >> To: C320IA Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> >>
> >> The only totally dry solution that I know of is the PSS system. There
> is a
> >> nice article on it here...
> >> http://www.correctcraftfan.com/articles/PSS.asp
> >>
> >> I believe the newer Catalina's have this and many owners have converted.
> >>
> >> Karl
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Scott Westwood <
> scottwestwood at bellsouth.net
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> But that still ends up with water in the bilge. Is there a way to get
> >>> a "truly" dry bilge with a shaft thru the hull? Or... If you have an
> >>> inboard engine you just have to live with water in the bilge? Just
> deal
> >> with it?
> >>>
> >>> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.netH (919)-362-8538C
> >>> (919)-618-7185
> >>>
> >>> --------------------------------------------
> >>> On Thu, 11/20/14, Karl Mielenhausen <kmielen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> >>> To: "C320IA Discussion List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> >>> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2014, 7:43 AM
> >>>
> >>> Switch over to Gore-tex
> >>> packing...
> >>>
> >>> http://www.emarineinc.com/products/GFO-Packing%2C-3%7B47%7D16-in.%285-
> >>> mm%29-2-foot.html
> >>>
> >>> The 3/16" size should
> >>> allow you space for 3 rings (stagger the joints).
> >>> This stuff really runs cool. I tighten so that I get about one drop
> >>> every
> >>> 60 seconds WHEN
> >>> RUNNING. Readjust after 2 hours of runtime.
> >>>
> >>> Note to all members:
> >>> The discussion list archives can be easily searched by going here...
> >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/c320-list
> >>> We have a huge history of discussions that probably will answer 90%
> >>> of the questions that members post. Not that we don't want to talk
> >>> to you, but just suggested in the interest of timeliness. Also,
> >>> when you ask a question, it usually helps to list your hull number
> >>> and engine make (if appropriate).
> >>>
> >>> Karl
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Karl
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at
> >>> 7:09 AM, Scott Westwood <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I have seen several notes on how to re-pack stuffing boxes etc...
> >>>>
> >>>> I also have heard different takes on dripping and "drip less" vs.
> >>> "dripless". My wife "hates" water in the bilge with a passion.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is there a truly safe way to get a dry bilge? Cost/benefit
> >>> analysis? You > can but it would cost as muchas the boat etc???
> >>>>
> >>>> Our box drips 3-5
> >>> drips/minute even at the dock. Is this normal? I hear > it is for
> >>> cooling underway etc...
> >>> What thoughts are out there?
> >>>>
> >>>> One concern we both have is the odd chance that we have a bilge
> >>> pump > failure (or battery failure) at the dock. We have shore
> >>> power but we often > can't get to the boat for a month or so.
> >>> Worst fear is bilge pump failure > and boat sinks. I know it should
> >>> not happen within a month or so but there > is also the fear of
> >>> wood deck damage if bilge water rises etc...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thoughts out there?
> >>> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.netH (919)-362-8538C
> >>> (919)-618-7185 > > >
> >
> >
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