[C320-list] Hot water tank-draining tank
Graeme Clark
cg at skyflyer.co.uk
Wed Aug 10 00:50:26 PDT 2016
Surely there is only a problem with water freezing when it is in a confined space?
You can freeze water in a thin plastic bottle and it doesn't split - so long as there is room for expansion
So I would have thought that any significant reduction of volume of the tank would be adequate without the need to totally empty it?
Better safe than sorry though, I guess
Graeme
1966, #:36
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> On 10 Aug 2016, at 01:24, Allan S Field <allan.field at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> I have a large wet vac and air compressor. I first run the water pump as
> dry as possible. Then I open that valve at the bottom of the hot water
> heater and drain off as much water as will come out through a hose run into
> the bilge. I then remove the water line and check valve at the top of the
> tank, open all the faucets and deck shower, keep the hot water tank valve
> open, and blow out what I can. After that, I use a wet vac, hold it over
> the opening to the hot water tank drain valve, cup it with my hand to ensure
> a fairly tight fit, and let the wet vac do its job; that's when I get
> another gallon or 2 out of the hot water heater. After that, I again use
> the air compressor and only get a few more drops out.
>
> At a Catalina factory tour several years ago, I remember Gerry Douglas
> saying that virtually all hot water heater failures are due to improper
> winterizing. Once I started using the wet vac to stop using the pink stuff,
> I knew exactly what he meant! I have been doing this routine for the last
> 6-7 winters, a few of which have been very cold, and have had zero problems.
> I also have amortized the cost of the air compressor and wet vac already by
> no longer using the pink stuff.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf
> Of Angus Henderson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:04 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hot water tank-draining tank
>
> Alan. I am interested in your post in response to Tom's. If opening the
> valve at bottom of hw tank does not drain it, how do you drain for winter
> storage. I have always done it this way possibly mistakenly thinking I had
> drained the tank Angus
> #999
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 9, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Allan S Field <allan.field at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> Tom - Opening the valve at the bottom of the hot water tank does not
>> drain all the water! There is at least 1-2 gallons left. - Allan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On
>> Behalf Of Tom Talling
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 3:45 PM
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hot water tank
>>
>> When I winterize my boat I disconnect the hot water out line and the
>> cold water in line and connect them together. Then you open up the
>> valve at the bottom of the heater and let all the water run out. Just
>> leave it open for the winter. Then when you run the pink antifreeze
>> through it just goes through the lines and not the tank. Then flush
>> out the lines with fresh water in the spring and no pink fluid in the
>> heater tank. Saves a lot of pink fluid too.
>> Tom Talling
>> One Shot, Bohemia River #978
>>
>>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Re: Water Heater Sacrificial Anode (Warren Updike)
>> 2. Lands End (Allan S Field)
>> 3. Re: Lands End (Karl Mielenhausen)
>> 4. Re: C80 chart plotter issue (Daryl Hunt)
>> 5. Re: Mid-ship Cleat (sail-ability sail-ability)
>> 6. Re: Mid-ship Cleat (Dick Walker)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 17:46:21 -0400
>> From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water Heater Sacrificial Anode
>> Message-ID: <COL129-DS12E16168E68D2FAE3DEB69BE1B0 at phx.gbl>
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>>
>> Here are two tricks I like to use when closing the boat: 1) open a hot
>> water faucet to let a fair bit of cold water into the hot water tank,
>> this cools the hot water down to retard any growth of biomes that
>> might be present; 2) turn off the water pump and open a faucet to let
>> the water pressure out of the system. Also, we rarely use the AC
>> element to heat water. Once heated by the engine it stays hot for quite a
> while.
>> BTW, when leaving the boat, I also like to run about a bowl-full of
>> potable water through the head. This helps to flush the hoses through to
> the tank.
>> This is especially useful if you use raw water to flush the head.
>> Since switching to only potable water flush and using OdorLos, we've
>> not had a problem with head odors.
>>
>> Warren and Pattie Updike
>> 1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62
>> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dean Vermeire [mailto:dean at vermeire.us]
>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 2:29 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water Heater Sacrificial Anode
>>
>> All,
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback. I'm surprised to hear that the sacrificial
>> anode could make it worse.
>>
>> For now, I think I'll give it another good effort of thoroughly
>> cleaning the tanks and water heater and using a new filter. I'll also
>> go back to blowing out / vacuuming out the water system at the end of the
> season.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Dean
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On
>> Behalf Of Chris Burti
>> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 12:14 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water Heater Sacrificial Anode
>>
>> In this region, shoreside, sacrificial anodes are blamed for sulphuric
>> smells and removed.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Chris Burti
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Dean Vermeire <dean at vermeire.us> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The hot water on our C320 smells bad. I'm not sure I would call it a
>>> sulfur smell, but that wouldn't be too far off. I have flushed the
>>> water tanks, cleaned with a bleach solution, flushed again, etc. I
>>> do think that having put the pink antifreeze in for the winter has
>>> added to the problem. The water at the lake where we keep our boat
>>> is undoubtedly well water, rich with minerals. I do use a filter
>>> cartridge when I fill the tanks, but don't think I'd really want to
>>> drink
>> the water anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have been reading a bit online, and saw references to a sacrificial
>>> anode for the water heater that sounds like it is what I need.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do any of you have experience with this? It looks like it just
>>> replaces the spigot on the water heater with a metal rod.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any advice is appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Dean Vermeire
>>>
>>> Moonstruck II (#847)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 18:00:08 -0400
>> From: "Allan S Field" <allan.field at verizon.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Lands End
>> Message-ID: <000b01d1f1c0$3a8e6380$afab2a80$@verizon.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> As a value-add to the membership, we have an arrangement with Lands
>> End for logo clothing. Following is an e-mail I received today from
>> Lands End that may be worth looking into. Note that the Association
>> receives nothing from this offer. To access the 2 available logos, go
>> to <http://ces.landsend.com/Catali1> http://ces.landsend.com/Catali1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> You are receiving this e-mail with the details a special promotion.
>> We are offering free logo application of logos up to 16,000 stitches
>> and free standard shipping on your orders placed through Friday,
>> August 19th.When placing your order, please call 1-800-497-6566 and
>> mention the promotion code OUT4. This offer may also be used on our
> website. Promotional
>> products do not qualify for this special offer. Thanks again and we
> would
>> love to hear from you!
>>
>>
>>
>> Allan S. Field
>>
>> Secretary/Treasurer
>>
>> Catalina 320 International Association
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 18:29:21 -0400
>> From: Karl Mielenhausen <kmielen at gmail.com>
>> To: C320IA Discussion List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Lands End
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAFoR0_P0u7CS_aU=A0q3+Q8BojAGk=--=Nyo96fAzg=7LzKWgA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> It can be a bear to navigate their website.
>> This link might help...
>> https://business.landsend.com/store/catali1/
>>
>>
>>
>> Karl
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Allan S Field
>> <allan.field at verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As a value-add to the membership, we have an arrangement with Lands
>>> End for logo clothing. Following is an e-mail I received today from
>>> Lands End that may be worth looking into. Note that the Association
>>> receives nothing from this offer. To access the 2 available logos,
>>> go to <http://ces.landsend.com/Catali1>
>>> http://ces.landsend.com/Catali1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You are receiving this e-mail with the details a special promotion.
>>> We are offering free logo application of logos up to 16,000 stitches
>>> and free standard shipping on your orders placed through Friday,
>>> August 19th.When placing your order, please call 1-800-497-6566 and
>>> mention the promotion code OUT4. This offer may also be used on our
>>> website. Promotional
>>> products do not qualify for this special offer. Thanks again and we
>>> would
>>> love to hear from you!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Allan S. Field
>>>
>>> Secretary/Treasurer
>>>
>>> Catalina 320 International Association
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 18:44:49 -0400
>> From: Daryl Hunt <drhunt at rochester.rr.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C80 chart plotter issue
>> Message-ID: <1aofwt4ap7wf0gq3o5g4ebb9.1470696289043 at email.android.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Jeff!
>> regards,?Daryl
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Jeff Z <jeffzinselmeyer at hotmail.com>
>> Date: 8/6/16 5:01 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] C80 chart plotter issue
>>
>> I have the same plotter, and last summer mine started with the
>> distorted display, which then led to complete blank screen. I shipped
>> to Raymarine for diagnosis, expecting the worst. I got a call from the
>> tech there and he said its a common problem, repair was under $200
>> including return shipping. He also stated they repair it in a way
>> which will prevent the same problem from happening again. I was
>> extremely pleased with the service and how quick i had the unit back.
>> See the raymarine website for shipping instructions.
>> Jeff ZinselmeyerEscape - 934
>>
>> ?? ?
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 11:15:24 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: sail-ability sail-ability <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
>> To: jbrown5093 <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>, c320-list
>> <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid-ship Cleat
>> Message-ID:
>> <319066032.18031.1470755724810.JavaMail.open-xchange at mtlgui01>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> I got my cleats from Garhauer and they are different lengths for the
>> top and bottom tracks. Garhauer knows this.
>>
>> JohnM
>>
>> 1999#574
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: jbrown5093 at yahoo.com
>> Date: July 26, 2016 at 4:33 PM
>> I have seen 320s where different track cleats wouldn't fit on the
>> upper track that is recessed. Into the cabin top. The problem isn't
>> with the width of the track but with the length. If just a hair too
>> long you can't get the cleat to slide on because it wont "fit" in
>> the space between the end of the track and the beginning of the
>> recess. My shaffers do fit but another brand (ronstan maybe) won't
>> go on. On another boat even the shaffers wouldn't slip on. So if you
>> plan to use them on both tracks try before you buy.
>> Great tip on stopping the hunting at anchor, Chris. Can't wait to
>> try it.
>> Jim Brown
>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Scott Westwood
>>> <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW. I measured my jib track ('98 # 517) a couple of days ago and
>> it was 1-1/4 ".
>>> Leaning even more now to track-run cleats. Still reviewing
>> though..... Would prefer cleat on gunnel ridge under life line but
>> may not be practical (worth the effort).
>>> Thanks,
>>> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.net H (919)-362-8538 C
>> (919)-618-7185
>>>
>>> From: Beverly Wright <bev.wright at verizon.net>
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:50 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid-ship Cleat
>>>
>>> I have two track cleats that are different from each other, can't
>> recall the brands, one came from the other owner and I bought one.
>> They are a great choice because they can be removed when racing and
>> cruising (they have caught the lines on occasion) and moved along
>> the track for spring lines when rafting to other boats or at
>> marinas. I had not thought about attaching a 1/4" line to the pin
>> but I'm definitely doing that because it provides something to hold
>> on to when removing them. I almost had one go overboard as it was
>> being removed. I haven't had the issue that Commitment has, but I
>> will keep that trick in mind if we find that happening at anchor.
>>>
>>> My tracks are 1 1/4" per the diagram in the manual
>>>
>>> Bev Wright
>>> s/v Whoosh
>>> Edgewater, MD
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com]
>> On Behalf Of Chris Burti
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:05 PM
>>> To: 320
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid-ship Cleat
>>>
>>> I have both (two Garhauer and one Schaefer) and prefer the
>> Schaefer. Adding a loop of 1/4" line to the pin made far more
>> useful. I move it from side to side, forward and aft on the tracks
>> and up and down from the Genoa track to the jib track on the cabin
>> top. This proved farm re effective in setting spring lines at the
>> multitude of docks we experienced on our cruise.
>>>
>>> In addition, Commitment sails like a drunken bat when at anchor in
>> any wind over 5 knots. Using a rolling hitch to tie a spring line
>> from the anchor rode to a mid-ship cleat set well forward moderates
>> that tendency greatly.
>>>
>>> Chris Burti
>>> Farmville, NC
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Stephen Cox <scox at timmin.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't mount one get the Garhauer that fits on the track
>>>>
>>>> Personally think the Schaefer equivalent is a nicer cleat. It
>> looks
>>>> more in keeping with the other cleats on the boat, has no
>> protrusion
>>>> on top to catch lines either. Defender sell them.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Stephen Cox
>>>> Tegwen #1141
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 08:25:07 -0700
>> From: Dick Walker <dickwalker at att.net>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid-ship Cleat
>> Message-ID: <9E50C1C6-14A2-405B-ADD3-18F9A03D8DB2 at att.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> For the regatta Garhauer is giving a 10% discount, no tax and free
>> shipping
>>
>> Now is the time to buy. Until 12 September
>>
>> Call them and you can quote the c-320 regatta discount
>>
>> This covers anything in their catalogue
>>
>> Call me if you have any questions.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>>
>> Dick Walker
>> Regatta Chair
>> 740 Olive Ave.
>> Coronado ,CA 92118
>> 619.435.8986
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2016, at 08:15, sail-ability sail-ability
>>> <sail-ability at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> I got my cleats from Garhauer and they are different lengths for the
>>> top and bottom tracks. Garhauer knows this.
>>>
>>> JohnM
>>>
>>> 1999#574
>>>
>>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>>> From: jbrown5093 at yahoo.com
>>> Date: July 26, 2016 at 4:33 PM
>>> I have seen 320s where different track cleats wouldn't fit on the
>>> upper track that is recessed. Into the cabin top. The problem isn't
>>> with the width of the track but with the length. If just a hair too
>>> long you can't get the cleat to slide on because it wont "fit" in
>>> the space between the end of the track and the beginning of the
>>> recess. My shaffers do fit but another brand (ronstan maybe) won't
>>> go on. On another boat even the shaffers wouldn't slip on. So if you
>>> plan to use them on both tracks try before you buy.
>>> Great tip on stopping the hunting at anchor, Chris. Can't wait to
>>> try it.
>>> Jim Brown
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Scott Westwood
>>>> <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> FWIW. I measured my jib track ('98 # 517) a couple of days ago and
>>> it was 1-1/4 ".
>>>> Leaning even more now to track-run cleats. Still reviewing
>>> though..... Would prefer cleat on gunnel ridge under life line but
>>> may not be practical (worth the effort).
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.net H (919)-362-8538 C
>>> (919)-618-7185
>>>>
>>>> From: Beverly Wright <bev.wright at verizon.net>
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:50 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid-ship Cleat
>>>>
>>>> I have two track cleats that are different from each other, can't
>>> recall the brands, one came from the other owner and I bought one.
>>> They are a great choice because they can be removed when racing and
>>> cruising (they have caught the lines on occasion) and moved along
>>> the track for spring lines when rafting to other boats or at
>>> marinas. I had not thought about attaching a 1/4" line to the pin
>>> but I'm definitely doing that because it provides something to hold
>>> on to when removing them. I almost had one go overboard as it was
>>> being removed. I haven't had the issue that Commitment has, but I
>>> will keep that trick in mind if we find that happening at anchor.
>>>>
>>>> My tracks are 1 1/4" per the diagram in the manual
>>>>
>>>> Bev Wright
>>>> s/v Whoosh
>>>> Edgewater, MD
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Chris Burti
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:05 PM
>>>> To: 320
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid-ship Cleat
>>>>
>>>> I have both (two Garhauer and one Schaefer) and prefer the
>>> Schaefer. Adding a loop of 1/4" line to the pin made far more
>>> useful. I move it from side to side, forward and aft on the tracks
>>> and up and down from the Genoa track to the jib track on the cabin
>>> top. This proved farm re effective in setting spring lines at the
>>> multitude of docks we experienced on our cruise.
>>>>
>>>> In addition, Commitment sails like a drunken bat when at anchor in
>>> any wind over 5 knots. Using a rolling hitch to tie a spring line
>>> from the anchor rode to a mid-ship cleat set well forward moderates
>>> that tendency greatly.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Burti
>>>> Farmville, NC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Stephen Cox <scox at timmin.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't mount one get the Garhauer that fits on the track
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally think the Schaefer equivalent is a nicer cleat. It
>>> looks
>>>>> more in keeping with the other cleats on the boat, has no
>>> protrusion
>>>>> on top to catch lines either. Defender sell them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephen Cox
>>>>> Tegwen #1141
>>
>>
>>
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