[C320-list] Hot water tank-draining tank

sail-ability sail-ability sail-ability at sympatico.ca
Sat Aug 13 11:24:47 PDT 2016


   For the last 5 years I've been draining the hot water tank and leaving
   the the top air valve and bottom drain valve open and have not had a
   problem. The water left in the bottom of the tank has a large surface
   area into which it can expand and exert very little if any pressure on
   the tank. Anyway nothing succeeds like success.

   Cheers

   JohnM

   1999#574

     ---------- Original Message ----------
     From: Graeme Clark <cg at skyflyer.co.uk>
     Date: August 10, 2016 at 3:50 AM
     Surely there is only a problem with water freezing when it is in a
     confined space?
     You can freeze water in a thin plastic bottle and it doesn't split -
     so long as there is room for expansion
     So I would have thought that any significant reduction of volume of
     the tank would be adequate without the need to totally empty it?
     Better safe than sorry though, I guess
     Graeme
     1966, #:36
     Sent from mobile: please excuse typos etc.!
     > On 10 Aug 2016, at 01:24, Allan S Field <allan.field at verizon.net>
     wrote:
     >
     > I have a large wet vac and air compressor. I first run the water
     pump as
     > dry as possible. Then I open that valve at the bottom of the hot
     water
     > heater and drain off as much water as will come out through a hose
     run into
     > the bilge. I then remove the water line and check valve at the top
     of the
     > tank, open all the faucets and deck shower, keep the hot water
     tank valve
     > open, and blow out what I can. After that, I use a wet vac, hold
     it over
     > the opening to the hot water tank drain valve, cup it with my hand
     to ensure
     > a fairly tight fit, and let the wet vac do its job; that's when I
     get
     > another gallon or 2 out of the hot water heater. After that, I
     again use
     > the air compressor and only get a few more drops out.
     >
     > At a Catalina factory tour several years ago, I remember Gerry
     Douglas
     > saying that virtually all hot water heater failures are due to
     improper
     > winterizing. Once I started using the wet vac to stop using the
     pink stuff,
     > I knew exactly what he meant! I have been doing this routine for
     the last
     > 6-7 winters, a few of which have been very cold, and have had zero
     problems.
     > I also have amortized the cost of the air compressor and wet vac
     already by
     > no longer using the pink stuff.
     >
     > -----Original Message-----
     > From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com]
     On Behalf
     > Of Angus Henderson
     > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:04 PM
     > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
     > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hot water tank-draining tank
     >
     > Alan. I am interested in your post in response to Tom's. If
     opening the
     > valve at bottom of hw tank does not drain it, how do you drain for
     winter
     > storage. I have always done it this way possibly mistakenly
     thinking I had
     > drained the tank Angus
     > #999
     >
     > Sent from my iPhone
     >
     >> On Aug 9, 2016, at 7:41 PM, Allan S Field
     <allan.field at verizon.net> wrote:
     >>
     >> Tom - Opening the valve at the bottom of the hot water tank does
     not
     >> drain all the water! There is at least 1-2 gallons left. - Allan
     >>
     >> -----Original Message-----
     >> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com]
     On
     >> Behalf Of Tom Talling
     >> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 3:45 PM
     >> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
     >> Subject: [C320-list] Hot water tank
     >>
     >> When I winterize my boat I disconnect the hot water out line and
     the
     >> cold water in line and connect them together. Then you open up
     the
     >> valve at the bottom of the heater and let all the water run out.
     Just
     >> leave it open for the winter. Then when you run the pink
     antifreeze
     >> through it just goes through the lines and not the tank. Then
     flush
     >> out the lines with fresh water in the spring and no pink fluid in
     the
     >> heater tank. Saves a lot of pink fluid too.
     >> Tom Talling
     >> One Shot, Bohemia River #978
     >>
     >>
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     >> Today's Topics:
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     >> 1. Re: Water Heater Sacrificial Anode (Warren Updike)
     >> 2. Lands End (Allan S Field)
     >> 3. Re: Lands End (Karl Mielenhausen)
     >> 4. Re: C80 chart plotter issue (Daryl Hunt)
     >> 5. Re: Mid-ship Cleat (sail-ability sail-ability)
     >> 6. Re: Mid-ship Cleat (Dick Walker)
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     >>
     >> Message: 1
     >> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 17:46:21 -0400
     >> From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
     >> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
     >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water Heater Sacrificial Anode
     >> Message-ID: <COL129-DS12E16168E68D2FAE3DEB69BE1B0 at phx.gbl>
     >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
     >>
     >> Here are two tricks I like to use when closing the boat: 1) open
     a hot
     >> water faucet to let a fair bit of cold water into the hot water
     tank,
     >> this cools the hot water down to retard any growth of biomes that
     >> might be present; 2) turn off the water pump and open a faucet to
     let
     >> the water pressure out of the system. Also, we rarely use the AC
     >> element to heat water. Once heated by the engine it stays hot for
     quite a
     > while.
     >> BTW, when leaving the boat, I also like to run about a bowl-full
     of
     >> potable water through the head. This helps to flush the hoses
     through to
     > the tank.
     >> This is especially useful if you use raw water to flush the head.
     >> Since switching to only potable water flush and using OdorLos,
     we've
     >> not had a problem with head odors.
     >>
     >> Warren and Pattie Updike
     >> 1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62
     >> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
     >>
     >> -----Original Message-----
     >> From: Dean Vermeire [mailto:dean at vermeire.us]
     >> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 2:29 PM
     >> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
     >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water Heater Sacrificial Anode
     >>
     >> All,
     >>
     >> Thanks for the feedback. I'm surprised to hear that the
     sacrificial
     >> anode could make it worse.
     >>
     >> For now, I think I'll give it another good effort of thoroughly
     >> cleaning the tanks and water heater and using a new filter. I'll
     also
     >> go back to blowing out / vacuuming out the water system at the
     end of the
     > season.
     >>
     >> Thanks again,
     >> Dean
     >>
     >> -----Original Message-----
     >> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com]
     On
     >> Behalf Of Chris Burti
     >> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2016 12:14 PM
     >> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
     >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water Heater Sacrificial Anode
     >>
     >> In this region, shoreside, sacrificial anodes are blamed for
     sulphuric
     >> smells and removed.
     >>
     >> Best Regards,
     >> Chris Burti
     >>
     >>
     >>> On Aug 8, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Dean Vermeire <dean at vermeire.us>
     wrote:
     >>>
     >>> Hi All,
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>> The hot water on our C320 smells bad. I'm not sure I would call
     it a
     >>> sulfur smell, but that wouldn't be too far off. I have flushed
     the
     >>> water tanks, cleaned with a bleach solution, flushed again, etc.
     I
     >>> do think that having put the pink antifreeze in for the winter
     has
     >>> added to the problem. The water at the lake where we keep our
     boat
     >>> is undoubtedly well water, rich with minerals. I do use a filter
     >>> cartridge when I fill the tanks, but don't think I'd really want
     to
     >>> drink
     >> the water anyway.
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>> I have been reading a bit online, and saw references to a
     sacrificial
     >>> anode for the water heater that sounds like it is what I need.
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>> Do any of you have experience with this? It looks like it just
     >>> replaces the spigot on the water heater with a metal rod.
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>> Any advice is appreciated.
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>> Thanks,
     >>>
     >>> Dean Vermeire
     >>>
     >>> Moonstruck II (#847)
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >> ------------------------------
     >>
     >> Message: 2
     >> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 18:00:08 -0400
     >> From: "Allan S Field" <allan.field at verizon.net>
     >> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
     >> Subject: [C320-list] Lands End
     >> Message-ID: <000b01d1f1c0$3a8e6380$afab2a80$@verizon.net>
     >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
     >>
     >> As a value-add to the membership, we have an arrangement with
     Lands
     >> End for logo clothing. Following is an e-mail I received today
     from
     >> Lands End that may be worth looking into. Note that the
     Association
     >> receives nothing from this offer. To access the 2 available
     logos, go
     >> to <http://ces.landsend.com/Catali1>
     http://ces.landsend.com/Catali1
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >> You are receiving this e-mail with the details a special
     promotion.
     >> We are offering free logo application of logos up to 16,000
     stitches
     >> and free standard shipping on your orders placed through Friday,
     >> August 19th.When placing your order, please call 1-800-497-6566
     and
     >> mention the promotion code OUT4. This offer may also be used on
     our
     > website. Promotional
     >> products do not qualify for this special offer. Thanks again and
     we
     > would
     >> love to hear from you!
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >> Allan S. Field
     >>
     >> Secretary/Treasurer
     >>
     >> Catalina 320 International Association
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >> ------------------------------
     >>
     >> Message: 3
     >> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 18:29:21 -0400
     >> From: Karl Mielenhausen <kmielen at gmail.com>
     >> To: C320IA Discussion List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
     >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Lands End
     >> Message-ID:
     >>
     <CAFoR0_P0u7CS_aU=A0q3+Q8BojAGk=--=Nyo96fAzg=7LzKWgA at mail.gmail.com>
     >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
     >>
     >> It can be a bear to navigate their website.
     >> This link might help...
     >> https://business.landsend.com/store/catali1/
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >> Karl
     >>
     >> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Allan S Field
     >> <allan.field at verizon.net>
     >> wrote:
     >>
     >>> As a value-add to the membership, we have an arrangement with
     Lands
     >>> End for logo clothing. Following is an e-mail I received today
     from
     >>> Lands End that may be worth looking into. Note that the
     Association
     >>> receives nothing from this offer. To access the 2 available
     logos,
     >>> go to <http://ces.landsend.com/Catali1>
     >>> http://ces.landsend.com/Catali1
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>> You are receiving this e-mail with the details a special
     promotion.
     >>> We are offering free logo application of logos up to 16,000
     stitches
     >>> and free standard shipping on your orders placed through Friday,
     >>> August 19th.When placing your order, please call 1-800-497-6566
     and
     >>> mention the promotion code OUT4. This offer may also be used on
     our
     >>> website. Promotional
     >>> products do not qualify for this special offer. Thanks again and
     we
     >>> would
     >>> love to hear from you!
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>
     >>> Allan S. Field
     >>>
     >>> Secretary/Treasurer
     >>>
     >>> Catalina 320 International Association
     >>
     >>
     >> ------------------------------
     >>
     >> Message: 4
     >> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 18:44:49 -0400
     >> From: Daryl Hunt <drhunt at rochester.rr.com>
     >> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
     >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C80 chart plotter issue
     >> Message-ID:
     <1aofwt4ap7wf0gq3o5g4ebb9.1470696289043 at email.android.com>
     >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >> Thanks Jeff!
     >> regards,?Daryl
     >>
     >> -------- Original message --------
     >> From: Jeff Z <jeffzinselmeyer at hotmail.com>
     >> Date: 8/6/16 5:01 PM (GMT-05:00)
     >> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
     >> Subject: [C320-list] C80 chart plotter issue
     >>
     >> I have the same plotter, and last summer mine started with the
     >> distorted display, which then led to complete blank screen. I
     shipped
     >> to Raymarine for diagnosis, expecting the worst. I got a call
     from the
     >> tech there and he said its a common problem, repair was under
     $200
     >> including return shipping. He also stated they repair it in a way
     >> which will prevent the same problem from happening again. I was
     >> extremely pleased with the service and how quick i had the unit
     back.
     >> See the raymarine website for shipping instructions.
     >> Jeff ZinselmeyerEscape - 934
     >>
     >> ?? ?
     >>
     >> ------------------------------
     >>
     >> Message: 5
     >> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 11:15:24 -0400 (EDT)
     >> From: sail-ability sail-ability <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
     >> To: jbrown5093 <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>, c320-list
     >> <c320-list at catalina320.com>
     >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid-ship Cleat
     >> Message-ID:
     >> <319066032.18031.1470755724810.JavaMail.open-xchange at mtlgui01>
     >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
     >>
     >> I got my cleats from Garhauer and they are different lengths for
     the
     >> top and bottom tracks. Garhauer knows this.
     >>
     >> JohnM
     >>
     >> 1999#574
     >>
     >> ---------- Original Message ----------
     >> From: jbrown5093 at yahoo.com
     >> Date: July 26, 2016 at 4:33 PM
     >> I have seen 320s where different track cleats wouldn't fit on the
     >> upper track that is recessed. Into the cabin top. The problem
     isn't
     >> with the width of the track but with the length. If just a hair
     too
     >> long you can't get the cleat to slide on because it wont "fit" in
     >> the space between the end of the track and the beginning of the
     >> recess. My shaffers do fit but another brand (ronstan maybe)
     won't
     >> go on. On another boat even the shaffers wouldn't slip on. So if
     you
     >> plan to use them on both tracks try before you buy.
     >> Great tip on stopping the hunting at anchor, Chris. Can't wait to
     >> try it.
     >> Jim Brown
     >> Sent from my iPad
     >>>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Scott Westwood
     >>> <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net> wrote:
     >>>
     >>> FWIW. I measured my jib track ('98 # 517) a couple of days ago
     and
     >> it was 1-1/4 ".
     >>> Leaning even more now to track-run cleats. Still reviewing
     >> though..... Would prefer cleat on gunnel ridge under life line
     but
     >> may not be practical (worth the effort).
     >>> Thanks,
     >>> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.net H (919)-362-8538 C
     >> (919)-618-7185
     >>>
     >>> From: Beverly Wright <bev.wright at verizon.net>
     >>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
     >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:50 PM
     >>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid-ship Cleat
     >>>
     >>> I have two track cleats that are different from each other,
     can't
     >> recall the brands, one came from the other owner and I bought
     one.
     >> They are a great choice because they can be removed when racing
     and
     >> cruising (they have caught the lines on occasion) and moved along
     >> the track for spring lines when rafting to other boats or at
     >> marinas. I had not thought about attaching a 1/4" line to the pin
     >> but I'm definitely doing that because it provides something to
     hold
     >> on to when removing them. I almost had one go overboard as it was
     >> being removed. I haven't had the issue that Commitment has, but I
     >> will keep that trick in mind if we find that happening at anchor.
     >>>
     >>> My tracks are 1 1/4" per the diagram in the manual
     >>>
     >>> Bev Wright
     >>> s/v Whoosh
     >>> Edgewater, MD
     >>>
     >>> -----Original Message-----
     >>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com]
     >> On Behalf Of Chris Burti
     >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:05 PM
     >>> To: 320
     >>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid-ship Cleat
     >>>
     >>> I have both (two Garhauer and one Schaefer) and prefer the
     >> Schaefer. Adding a loop of 1/4" line to the pin made far more
     >> useful. I move it from side to side, forward and aft on the
     tracks
     >> and up and down from the Genoa track to the jib track on the
     cabin
     >> top. This proved farm re effective in setting spring lines at the
     >> multitude of docks we experienced on our cruise.
     >>>
     >>> In addition, Commitment sails like a drunken bat when at anchor
     in
     >> any wind over 5 knots. Using a rolling hitch to tie a spring line
     >> from the anchor rode to a mid-ship cleat set well forward
     moderates
     >> that tendency greatly.
     >>>
     >>> Chris Burti
     >>> Farmville, NC
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Stephen Cox <scox at timmin.com>
     >>> wrote:
     >>>
     >>>>>
     >>>>> Don't mount one get the Garhauer that fits on the track
     >>>>
     >>>> Personally think the Schaefer equivalent is a nicer cleat. It
     >> looks
     >>>> more in keeping with the other cleats on the boat, has no
     >> protrusion
     >>>> on top to catch lines either. Defender sell them.
     >>>>
     >>>> Regards,
     >>>>
     >>>> Stephen Cox
     >>>> Tegwen #1141
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >> ------------------------------
     >>
     >> Message: 6
     >> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 08:25:07 -0700
     >> From: Dick Walker <dickwalker at att.net>
     >> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
     >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid-ship Cleat
     >> Message-ID: <9E50C1C6-14A2-405B-ADD3-18F9A03D8DB2 at att.net>
     >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
     >>
     >> For the regatta Garhauer is giving a 10% discount, no tax and
     free
     >> shipping
     >>
     >> Now is the time to buy. Until 12 September
     >>
     >> Call them and you can quote the c-320 regatta discount
     >>
     >> This covers anything in their catalogue
     >>
     >> Call me if you have any questions.
     >>
     >> Cheers
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >> Dick Walker
     >> Regatta Chair
     >> 740 Olive Ave.
     >> Coronado ,CA 92118
     >> 619.435.8986
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >>> On Aug 9, 2016, at 08:15, sail-ability sail-ability
     >>> <sail-ability at sympatico.ca> wrote:
     >>>
     >>> I got my cleats from Garhauer and they are different lengths for
     the
     >>> top and bottom tracks. Garhauer knows this.
     >>>
     >>> JohnM
     >>>
     >>> 1999#574
     >>>
     >>> ---------- Original Message ----------
     >>> From: jbrown5093 at yahoo.com
     >>> Date: July 26, 2016 at 4:33 PM
     >>> I have seen 320s where different track cleats wouldn't fit on
     the
     >>> upper track that is recessed. Into the cabin top. The problem
     isn't
     >>> with the width of the track but with the length. If just a hair
     too
     >>> long you can't get the cleat to slide on because it wont "fit"
     in
     >>> the space between the end of the track and the beginning of the
     >>> recess. My shaffers do fit but another brand (ronstan maybe)
     won't
     >>> go on. On another boat even the shaffers wouldn't slip on. So if
     you
     >>> plan to use them on both tracks try before you buy.
     >>> Great tip on stopping the hunting at anchor, Chris. Can't wait
     to
     >>> try it.
     >>> Jim Brown
     >>> Sent from my iPad
     >>>>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Scott Westwood
     >>>> <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net> wrote:
     >>>>
     >>>> FWIW. I measured my jib track ('98 # 517) a couple of days ago
     and
     >>> it was 1-1/4 ".
     >>>> Leaning even more now to track-run cleats. Still reviewing
     >>> though..... Would prefer cleat on gunnel ridge under life line
     but
     >>> may not be practical (worth the effort).
     >>>> Thanks,
     >>>> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.net H (919)-362-8538 C
     >>> (919)-618-7185
     >>>>
     >>>> From: Beverly Wright <bev.wright at verizon.net>
     >>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
     >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:50 PM
     >>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid-ship Cleat
     >>>>
     >>>> I have two track cleats that are different from each other,
     can't
     >>> recall the brands, one came from the other owner and I bought
     one.
     >>> They are a great choice because they can be removed when racing
     and
     >>> cruising (they have caught the lines on occasion) and moved
     along
     >>> the track for spring lines when rafting to other boats or at
     >>> marinas. I had not thought about attaching a 1/4" line to the
     pin
     >>> but I'm definitely doing that because it provides something to
     hold
     >>> on to when removing them. I almost had one go overboard as it
     was
     >>> being removed. I haven't had the issue that Commitment has, but
     I
     >>> will keep that trick in mind if we find that happening at
     anchor.
     >>>>
     >>>> My tracks are 1 1/4" per the diagram in the manual
     >>>>
     >>>> Bev Wright
     >>>> s/v Whoosh
     >>>> Edgewater, MD
     >>>>
     >>>> -----Original Message-----
     >>>> From: C320-list
     [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com]
     >>> On Behalf Of Chris Burti
     >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 2:05 PM
     >>>> To: 320
     >>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Mid-ship Cleat
     >>>>
     >>>> I have both (two Garhauer and one Schaefer) and prefer the
     >>> Schaefer. Adding a loop of 1/4" line to the pin made far more
     >>> useful. I move it from side to side, forward and aft on the
     tracks
     >>> and up and down from the Genoa track to the jib track on the
     cabin
     >>> top. This proved farm re effective in setting spring lines at
     the
     >>> multitude of docks we experienced on our cruise.
     >>>>
     >>>> In addition, Commitment sails like a drunken bat when at anchor
     in
     >>> any wind over 5 knots. Using a rolling hitch to tie a spring
     line
     >>> from the anchor rode to a mid-ship cleat set well forward
     moderates
     >>> that tendency greatly.
     >>>>
     >>>> Chris Burti
     >>>> Farmville, NC
     >>>>
     >>>>
     >>>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Stephen Cox
     <scox at timmin.com>
     >>>> wrote:
     >>>>
     >>>>>>
     >>>>>> Don't mount one get the Garhauer that fits on the track
     >>>>>
     >>>>> Personally think the Schaefer equivalent is a nicer cleat. It
     >>> looks
     >>>>> more in keeping with the other cleats on the boat, has no
     >>> protrusion
     >>>>> on top to catch lines either. Defender sell them.
     >>>>>
     >>>>> Regards,
     >>>>>
     >>>>> Stephen Cox
     >>>>> Tegwen #1141
     >>
     >>
     >>
     >> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 2695, Issue 1
     >> ******************************************
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