[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 2931, Issue 1: 1. Throttle issue (Onat Dogruer)

[Gus Macdonald]

Can you please describe the location of the exhaust elbow and the procedure for inspection and cleaning. 

Gus
Hull # 999
> On Jul 5, 2017, at 4:51 PM, Daniel Enright <enrightd at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> You have a clogged (mixing elbow) exhaust elbow.  I had the same issue last
> week.
> 
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>   1. Throttle issue (Onat Dogruer)
>   2. Fuel sending gauge (Jeffrey Brown)
>   3. Re: Fuel sending gauge (Graeme Clark)
>   4. Re: Fuel sending gauge (Jeffrey Brown)
>   5. Re: Fuel sending gauge (Rick Sulewski)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 17:43:59 -0400
> From: Onat Dogruer <onat_s at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Throttle issue
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> Hello all,
> We have the Yanmar 3GM30F(EU) on our 1998 and this weekend I noticed a
> problem with throttle. There is no RPM pick up once I pass 2200 and then
> when I push the trottle all the way, it only pushes out 2860 rpm. I first
> thought the cable was slipping so I checked both the helm arm and on
> governor arm side connections. It looks normal. I then tried it in neutral
> and noticed that I can get full 3660 rpm on neutral (checked with a laser
> tachometer) Went out for a short cruise and again noticed that I can't get
> more than 2800 in Forward.?
> Also fuel looks clean. I am going to change the fuel filter regardless. The
> issue seem to be only when we are on forward which doesn't make any sense.
> What am I missing here? Any thoughts?
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2017 09:04:47 -0700
> From: Jeffrey Brown <oceanblues at mac.com>
> To: Catalina C320 List List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Fuel sending gauge
> Message-ID: <C73C60D1-1A9C-4994-9B86-F95B9276719A at mac.com>
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> I'm hull 78 and wondering if anyone near my hull number replaced their fuel
> sending gauge without pulling out the tank. One of the bolts is hard to get
> to. Just wondering before I begin removal of the tank. I'm even considering
> replacing the whole tank if I'm going to this much work. Any thoughts?
> 
> Jeff Brown
> 949-350-5123
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 17:07:21 +0100
> From: Graeme Clark <cg at skyflyer.co.uk>
> To: Catalina list <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fuel sending gauge
> Message-ID: <3D7DA3F2-4951-4FC6-A498-33EB97F9E445 at skyflyer.co.uk>
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> Jeff
> 
> Have you removed the two wooden floor pieces above the tank. It?s fiddly but
> it can be done.
> 
> Graeme
> 
>> On 4 Jul 2017, at 17:04, Jeffrey Brown <oceanblues at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm hull 78 and wondering if anyone near my hull number replaced their
> fuel sending gauge without pulling out the tank. One of the bolts is hard to
> get to. Just wondering before I begin removal of the tank. I'm even
> considering replacing the whole tank if I'm going to this much work. Any
> thoughts?
>> 
>> Jeff Brown
>> 949-350-5123
> 
> ???????????????????
> I work irregular hours and often write emails late in the evening and at
> weekends; that doesn?t mean I expect you to do the same; reply when
> convenient!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2017 09:10:54 -0700
> From: Jeffrey Brown <oceanblues at mac.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fuel sending gauge
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> Yes I did. The problem is one or two of the five bolts that hold the unit in
> are underneath some fiberglass from the aft storage locker that comes out.
> The space isn't sufficient to allow the bolt to be removed. I need to lift
> the tank out a bit but that requires moving around a lot of stuff. 
> 
> Jeff Brown
> 949-350-5123
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 9:07 AM, Graeme Clark <cg at skyflyer.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> Have you removed the two wooden floor pieces above the tank. It?s fiddly
> but it can be done.
>> 
>> Graeme
>> 
>>> On 4 Jul 2017, at 17:04, Jeffrey Brown <oceanblues at mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm hull 78 and wondering if anyone near my hull number replaced their
> fuel sending gauge without pulling out the tank. One of the bolts is hard to
> get to. Just wondering before I begin removal of the tank. I'm even
> considering replacing the whole tank if I'm going to this much work. Any
> thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Jeff Brown
>>> 949-350-5123
>> 
>> ???????????????????
>> I work irregular hours and often write emails late in the evening and at
> weekends; that doesn?t mean I expect you to do the same; reply when
> convenient!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 13:42:10 -0400
> From: "Rick Sulewski" <rsulewski at bex.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fuel sending gauge
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> Jeff,  Early 320 hulls had the thinner walled fuel tanks that are more prone
> to leaking over time. It is not a matter of if an aging aluminum tank will
> leak, but when. Cleaning up the fuel after a leaking tank or even from a
> replacement fuel tank sensor, is a real pain. Even a small amount of the
> fuel will find its way under the hull liner and move about requiring
> repeating some multi-step processes to get out all of the fuel and the
> odors. Imagine discovering a large amount of fuel under the liner....   I
> replaced my tank on hull #277 tank after having a fuel sender leak on my
> topped off tank over a winter storage period. I found the tank replacement
> to be much less work than cleaning up the leaked fuel. I did not want to
> repeat the fuel cleaning process when  my tank finally failed (with my luck
> would occur over a storage season). You can save yourself a lot of work if
> you can find your way to replace the tank earlier than later. I also
> replaced the fuel hoses from the tank
>  to the engine when I replaced the tank to ensure the next likely leak
> source was addressed. As our 320 hulls age, there are some predictable
> preventative maintenance schedules that could be gleaned from this owner
> list to avoid sailing season interruptions and avoid predictable problems.
> Replacing an aging original fuel tank on early hulls that had thin walled
> tanks is one such preventative maintenance task that will improve your
> vessel's condition, rather than waiting for a predictable failure!
> 
> If you really want to take your chances on your older tank given your hull
> #, you can hang upside down from the aft corner locker (after removing the
> lid)  and then go about replacing the fuel sender. You will need to remove
> the wooden shelf pieces above the tank and then find the correct tools to
> reach/replace all of the sender screws. Just as a precaution, I suggest that
> you consider applying some  fuel resistant sealant paste, (like from NAPA -
> white, that is used when installing a fuel fitting) and paint (goo-up) the
> replaced fuel gauge sender unit AFTER it is installed. Be sure to heavily
> coat all areas of the sender, including all of the screws and around the
> gasket, but  only after installing the fuel sender and only after checking
> that your fuel gauge is working to ensure you have properly re-attached all
> of the wires and connectors.  The sealant will help to keep fuel from ever
> leaking from fuel sender gasket edges and from screws securing the sender,
> all potential l  eak areas as l I learned. I applied the sealant to a
> leaking sender and that solved my leak problem for one season before finally
> determined it was time to avoid another fuel clean-up and just replace the
> tank at the end of the season after I had used up most all of the fuel
> leaving me with a nearly empty tank.  If you decide to replace the tank, be
> sure to order an access port for about $65, so you can more easily clean up
> the tank by hand if ever necessary or simply access the tank to pump out
> about a half-gallon of the dirty fuel gunk and water that will settle to the
> bottom after about every 3-5 years.
> Rick Sulewski
> C320 95' Hull # 277 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf
> Of Jeffrey Brown
> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 12:11 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fuel sending gauge
> 
> Yes I did. The problem is one or two of the five bolts that hold the unit in
> are underneath some fiberglass from the aft storage locker that comes out.
> The space isn't sufficient to allow the bolt to be removed. I need to lift
> the tank out a bit but that requires moving around a lot of stuff. 
> 
> Jeff Brown
> 949-350-5123
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 9:07 AM, Graeme Clark <cg at skyflyer.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> Have you removed the two wooden floor pieces above the tank. It?s fiddly
> but it can be done.
>> 
>> Graeme
>> 
>>> On 4 Jul 2017, at 17:04, Jeffrey Brown <oceanblues at mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm hull 78 and wondering if anyone near my hull number replaced their
> fuel sending gauge without pulling out the tank. One of the bolts is hard to
> get to. Just wondering before I begin removal of the tank. I'm even
> considering replacing the whole tank if I'm going to this much work. Any
> thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Jeff Brown
>>> 949-350-5123
>> 
>> ???????????????????
>> I work irregular hours and often write emails late in the evening and at
> weekends; that doesn?t mean I expect you to do the same; reply when
> convenient!
>> 
>> 
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