[C320-list] Electrical panel question
Jamie Pett
JPett at jp2architects.com
Sun Aug 26 08:29:41 PDT 2018
Troy and all - Thanks. My panel definitely sounds like it is different. Each two or three DC switches share a push button breaker either 5 or 10 amp depending on switches supported.
The breaker was bad - would not reset.
Replaced it from a local Pasadena Marine store called Cobe for $6.00, and problem solved.
Thanks again for the input. - Jamie
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 25, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Hull #514 there are both breakers and toggle switches. The DC breakers
> can not be switched by pushing them like the AC ones can on this hull.
> The DC breakers can only be reset. At some point between hull #514 and the
> 700s it looks like they must have changed to a different DC panel and a
> different battery selector. Probably around the same time that they
> decided to provide proper support for making the salon table into a bed
> LOL. I’ve yet to find a proper copy of the earlier manual or DC wiring
> diagram on line and invariably I leave my manual on the boat when I really
> need it...like now.
>
> The rockers on Hull#514 are manufactured by Carling Technologies and the
> part number is RA 911-VB-B-1-V. These rockers are rated for tons of
> cycles and have self cleaning contacts. The cycle test does not account
> for aging of the plastic parts inside which eventually become brittle and
> break. You can buy these online for $1.12 with $1.99 shipping from those
> folks that offer free 2 day shipping for a yearly fee...but not for this
> product. I bought three figuring if I have spares I’ll never need them.
> So far so good with that theory.
>
> I do find it extremely suspicious that both switches would go bad at the
> same time so you may in fact have a bad breaker or some other upstream
> problem.
>
> Troy
>
>
>
>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 6:22 PM Pat Tormey <ptormey at 4square.net> wrote:
>>
>> Couple of things. The best and easiest is to use a 12 volt circuit tester.
>> (usually a probe with a light on it) or a voltmeter and test the load side
>> for voltage when the switch is flipped. One side of the breaker will always
>> be hot and the other should only be hot when the switch is ON. If it
>> doesn’t change the breaker is bad and needs to be replaced.
>>
>> Breakers are not really switches. They are not designed to be ‘switched’
>> repeatedly and the little thingamajig inside wears out after some number of
>> cycle.
>>
>> If you have a ohm meter you can OPEN the breaker and read the load side to
>> ground. If it’s 0 or very low ohms then there is a short circuit which will
>> cause the breaker to open instantly when you try to switch it.
>>
>> Now the advice I’m NOT giving you is to use a wire with gater clips on it
>> to jumper over the breaker poles but clipping one side and just tapping the
>> other. This will power up the circuit EVEN if the breaker is tripped for a
>> valid reason. Which means that IF the load side is actually shorted out,
>> you’ll see smoke AND the breaker is good. . IF the load side is fine the
>> circuit will act like the breaker was set ON. Now, whatever you do don’t
>> take this advice. The “Smoke Test” is a common tool we used on my Navy days.
>>
>>
>> Pat Tormey
>> Formally EM2 USN
>>
>> From: Jamie Pett
>> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 5:57 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
>>
>> Troy- wasn’t working on the panel and the metal jumper seems tight as do
>> all other connections. No click on the LP so definitely not powered.
>>
>> Do the push button fuses go bad ? I guess it could be that but I don’t
>> know how to check it
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 4:51 PM, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Need more info. Did you check the electrical connections on the back of
>>> the rockers? There is usually a metal jumper for the feed side of these
>>> rockers, they can get bumped loose if you were working on other stuff
>> back
>>> there. I had a rocker go bad over this last winter, but the symptoms
>>> were somewhat intermittent and the rocker could be convinced to work
>> with a
>>> little back and forth. I replaced it with a new rocker eventually. I
>>> guess it is possible that two rockers went bad at the same time. Does
>> the
>>> LP valve click even though the led doesnt light? Maybe the LED went bad
>> or
>>> got disconnected.
>>>
>>> Troy Dunn
>>> Hull #514
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 4:32 PM Jamie Pett <JPett at jp2architects.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am on Bella Luna - our 1999 c320 hull 614. I am having an issue where
>>>> the top two left breakers - LP gas valve and the accessory below it
>>>> (stereo) are seemingly not working.
>>>>
>>>> Everything else working fine and the ‘white button’ that these two
>> rocker
>>>> switches share does not appear tripped or in any way ‘blown’.
>>>>
>>>> The stereo doesn’t power up and the indicator light on the LP valve does
>>>> not come on. Every other circuit working fine.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have any thoughts on what the cause might be ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks - Jamie
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 24, 2018, at 1:45 PM, Gene Gammon <captaingene at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If surveyed today they would indicate it needs replaced if older than
>>>> 10-12 years. That is the new way it is done as surveyors don't go up
>> the
>>>> rig any more and offset their liability. They used to go up and check
>>>> swedges with Emory cloth, magnifying glass, dyes, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If they say that in the survey report your insurance company will not
>>>> insure until replaced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Surveyors now advise you to get a rigger to inspect. Riggers sell
>>>> rigging for a living, not inspections 😊 Get it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been in the sailboat business for over 40 years and have seen it
>>>> change. Some of the new surveyor rules are backed by manufacture's of
>> the
>>>> gear to offset their liability now. And some are just stupid or
>> industry
>>>> based for profit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good that I am able to retire 😎
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene Gammon, Capt.
>>>>>
>>>>> 727-644-8009
>>>>>
>>>>> www.gcyachts.com<http://www.gcyachts.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> www.irwinyachts.com<http://www.irwinyachts.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of
>>>> Michael Ferguson <coralman at bellsouth.net>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:03 PM
>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Gene my 95' rigging looks good but I'm getting nervous about it.
>>>> Michael
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Gene Gammon<captaingene at msn.com>
>>>> wrote: No, but I had a rigging company go up and inspect. I had some
>> new
>>>> lifelines made locally and they also make standing rigging for most of
>> the
>>>> builders at the lowest prices you will find.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seco South www.secosouth.com<http://www.secosouth.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene Gammon, Capt.
>>>>>
>>>>> 727-644-8009
>>>>>
>>>>> www.gcyachts.com<http://www.gcyachts.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> www.irwinyachts.com<http://www.irwinyachts.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of
>>>> Michael Ferguson <coralman at bellsouth.net>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 10:25 AM
>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene did you replace your standing rigging. Thanks Michael
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Gene Gammon<captaingene at msn.com>
>>>> wrote: Jack,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If I can help with any advise contact me. I just totally refurbished
>> my
>>>> '96 320 in the last 12 months and have repaired, fixed or replaced most
>> all
>>>> of those things and more. I can maybe advise best sources for parts,
>>>> switches, faucets, heads, pumps, sails, lifelines, cushions, blocks,
>>>> traveler ball bearings, lights, canvas, floors, windlass, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> A few things may have changed between '96
>>>>>
>>>>> My boat is out of the water in Madeira Bch. getting a bottom job and
>>>> installing AC this week. The last of everything possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am in Treasure Island.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene Gammon, Capt.
>>>>>
>>>>> 727-644-8009
>>>>>
>>>>> www.gcyachts.com<http://www.gcyachts.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> www.irwinyachts.com<http://www.irwinyachts.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of
>>>> Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 6:53 PM
>>>>> To: C320-list at catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
>>>>>
>>>>> I posted this message last night. It appeared briefly in my phone’s
>>>> email, along with two responses, and they vanished before I could read
>>>> them. I also couldn’t find them on the web site. The mysteries of the
>>>> Internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> So:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the work continues on my new-to-me 320.
>>>>>
>>>>> In regard to my previous post, there was no fuel tank leak. The
>> previous
>>>>> owner apparently dumped or spilled diesel in the bilge (along with some
>>>>> other things) before the bank repoed the boat.
>>>>>
>>>>> A new question: One of the rocker switches on the 12-volt side of the
>>>> panel
>>>>> is broken. Which rocker switch at Catalina Direct is the correct one?
>> And
>>>>> are there any tips on replacing them before I go fumbling around?
>>>>>
>>>>> It is an interesting archaeological quest to find all of the damage
>> done
>>>> to
>>>>> the boat, apparently by the p.o. I spent part of today inside the
>>>> starboard
>>>>> cockpit locker (not an easy fit for a 210-pounder) replacing slashed
>>>> scupper
>>>>> hoses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone also cut the wires to the fridge, disabled the water heater,
>>>>> disconnected the galley sink drain, broke the bilge pump switch, jammed
>>>> the
>>>>> macerator pump, wrapped the jib halyard, put the wrong oil in the
>>>>> transmission and probably more that I haven't found yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> But tit will all be repaired soon, and I'll have a great boat.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jack Brennan
>>>>> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320, No. 528
>>>>> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>>>>> Dolphin Cruising Club of Tampa Bay
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
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>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>>>
>>
>>
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