[C320-list] Electrical panel question

Sun Aug 26 10:33:37 PDT 2018

I found several of the flat posts on the back side of the push button breakers broken off and did not see until until moving some connections.  Several things didn't work.  Several indicators lights were also not working on AC and Dc.  Replaced all now and working. Also replaced the ground buss bar behind and got better 12 volt on meter.
I also probably have the old manual with the wiring on my home computer and lots of photos and sources.
Gene Gammon #351

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-------- Original message --------
From: Jamie Pett <JPett at jp2architects.com>
Date: 8/26/2018 11:29 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question

Troy and all - Thanks.  My panel definitely sounds like it is different. Each two or three DC switches share a push button breaker either 5 or 10 amp depending on switches supported.

The breaker was bad - would not reset.

Replaced it from a local Pasadena Marine store called Cobe for $6.00, and problem solved.

Thanks again for the input. - Jamie

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 25, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Hull #514 there are both breakers and toggle switches.   The DC breakers
> can not be switched by pushing them like the AC  ones can on this hull.
> The DC breakers can only be reset.  At some point between hull #514 and the
> 700s it looks like they must have changed to a different DC panel and a
> different battery selector.  Probably around the same time that they
> decided to provide proper support for making the salon table into a bed
> LOL.  I’ve yet to find a proper copy of the earlier manual or DC wiring
> diagram on line and invariably I leave my manual on the boat when I really
> need it...like now.
>
> The rockers on Hull#514 are manufactured by Carling Technologies and the
> part number is RA 911-VB-B-1-V.   These rockers are rated for tons of
> cycles and have self cleaning contacts.  The cycle test does not account
> for aging of the plastic parts inside which eventually become brittle and
> break.  You can buy these online for $1.12 with $1.99 shipping from those
> folks that offer free 2 day shipping for a yearly fee...but not for this
> product.  I bought three figuring if I have spares I’ll never need them.
> So far so good with that theory.
>
> I do find it extremely suspicious that both switches would go bad at the
> same time so you may in fact have a bad breaker or some other upstream
> problem.
>
> Troy
>
>
>
>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 6:22 PM Pat Tormey <ptormey at 4square.net> wrote:
>>
>> Couple of things. The best and easiest is to use a 12 volt circuit tester.
>> (usually a probe with a light on it)  or a voltmeter and test the load side
>> for voltage when the switch is flipped. One side of the breaker will always
>> be hot and the other should only be hot when the switch is ON. If it
>> doesn’t change the breaker is bad and needs to be replaced.
>>
>> Breakers are not really switches. They are not designed to be ‘switched’
>> repeatedly and the little thingamajig inside wears out after some number of
>> cycle.
>>
>> If you have a ohm meter you can OPEN the breaker and read the load side to
>> ground. If it’s 0 or very low ohms then there is a short circuit which will
>> cause the breaker to open instantly when you try to switch it.
>>
>> Now the advice I’m NOT giving you is to use a wire with gater clips on it
>> to jumper over the breaker poles but clipping one side and just tapping the
>> other. This will power up the circuit EVEN if the breaker is tripped for a
>> valid reason. Which means that IF the load side is actually shorted out,
>> you’ll see smoke AND the breaker is good. . IF the load side is fine the
>> circuit will act like the breaker was set ON. Now, whatever you do don’t
>> take this advice. The “Smoke Test” is a common tool we used on my Navy days.
>>
>>
>> Pat Tormey
>> Formally EM2 USN
>>
>> From: Jamie Pett
>> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 5:57 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
>>
>> Troy- wasn’t working on the panel and the metal jumper seems tight as do
>> all other connections. No click on the LP so definitely not powered.
>>
>> Do the push button fuses go bad ? I guess it could be that but I don’t
>> know how to check it
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 4:51 PM, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Need more info.   Did you check the electrical connections on the back of
>>> the rockers?   There is usually a metal jumper for the feed side of these
>>> rockers, they can get bumped loose if you were working on other stuff
>> back
>>> there.    I had a rocker go bad over this last winter, but the symptoms
>>> were somewhat intermittent and the rocker could be convinced to work
>> with a
>>> little back and forth.  I replaced it with a new rocker eventually.  I
>>> guess it is possible that two rockers went bad at the same time.  Does
>> the
>>> LP valve click even though the led doesnt light?  Maybe the LED went bad
>> or
>>> got disconnected.
>>>
>>> Troy Dunn
>>> Hull #514
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 4:32 PM Jamie Pett <JPett at jp2architects.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am on Bella Luna - our 1999 c320 hull 614.  I am having an issue where
>>>> the top two left breakers - LP gas valve and the accessory below it
>>>> (stereo) are seemingly not working.
>>>>
>>>> Everything else working fine and the ‘white button’ that these two
>> rocker
>>>> switches share does not appear tripped or in any way ‘blown’.
>>>>
>>>> The stereo doesn’t power up and the indicator light on the LP valve does
>>>> not come on.  Every other circuit working fine.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have any thoughts on what the cause might be ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks - Jamie
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 24, 2018, at 1:45 PM, Gene Gammon <captaingene at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If surveyed today they would indicate it needs replaced if older than
>>>> 10-12 years.  That is the new way it is done as surveyors don't go up
>> the
>>>> rig any more and offset their liability.  They used to go up and check
>>>> swedges with Emory cloth, magnifying glass, dyes, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If they say that in the survey report your insurance company will not
>>>> insure until replaced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Surveyors now advise you to get a rigger to inspect.  Riggers sell
>>>> rigging for a living, not inspections 😊 Get it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been in the sailboat business for over 40 years and have seen it
>>>> change.  Some of the new surveyor rules are backed by manufacture's of
>> the
>>>> gear to offset their liability now.  And some are just stupid or
>> industry
>>>> based for profit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good that I am able to retire 😎
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene Gammon, Capt.
>>>>>
>>>>> 727-644-8009
>>>>>
>>>>> www.gcyachts.com<http://www.gcyachts.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> www.irwinyachts.com<http://www.irwinyachts.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of
>>>> Michael Ferguson <coralman at bellsouth.net>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:03 PM
>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Gene my 95' rigging looks good but I'm getting nervous about it.
>>>> Michael
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Gene Gammon<captaingene at msn.com>
>>>> wrote:   No, but I had a rigging company go up and inspect.  I had some
>> new
>>>> lifelines made locally and they also make standing rigging for most of
>> the
>>>> builders at the lowest prices you will find.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seco South www.secosouth.com<http://www.secosouth.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene Gammon, Capt.
>>>>>
>>>>> 727-644-8009
>>>>>
>>>>> www.gcyachts.com<http://www.gcyachts.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> www.irwinyachts.com<http://www.irwinyachts.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of
>>>> Michael Ferguson <coralman at bellsouth.net>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 10:25 AM
>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene did you replace your standing rigging. Thanks Michael
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Gene Gammon<captaingene at msn.com>
>>>> wrote:  Jack,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If I can help with any advise contact me.  I just totally refurbished
>> my
>>>> '96 320 in the last 12 months and have repaired, fixed or replaced most
>> all
>>>> of those things and more.  I can maybe advise best sources for parts,
>>>> switches, faucets, heads, pumps, sails, lifelines, cushions, blocks,
>>>> traveler ball bearings, lights, canvas, floors, windlass, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> A few things may have changed between '96
>>>>>
>>>>> My boat is out of the water in Madeira Bch. getting a bottom job and
>>>> installing AC this week.  The last of everything possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am in Treasure Island.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene Gammon, Capt.
>>>>>
>>>>> 727-644-8009
>>>>>
>>>>> www.gcyachts.com<http://www.gcyachts.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> www.irwinyachts.com<http://www.irwinyachts.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of
>>>> Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 6:53 PM
>>>>> To: C320-list at catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
>>>>>
>>>>> I posted this message last night. It appeared briefly in my phone’s
>>>> email, along with two responses, and they vanished before I could read
>>>> them. I also couldn’t find them on the web site. The mysteries of the
>>>> Internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> So:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, the work continues on my new-to-me 320.
>>>>>
>>>>> In regard to my previous post, there was no fuel tank leak. The
>> previous
>>>>> owner apparently dumped or spilled diesel in the bilge (along with some
>>>>> other things) before the bank repoed the boat.
>>>>>
>>>>> A new question: One of the rocker switches on the 12-volt side of the
>>>> panel
>>>>> is broken. Which rocker switch at Catalina Direct is the correct one?
>> And
>>>>> are there any tips on replacing them before I go fumbling around?
>>>>>
>>>>> It is an interesting archaeological quest to find all of the damage
>> done
>>>> to
>>>>> the boat, apparently by the p.o. I spent part of today inside the
>>>> starboard
>>>>> cockpit locker (not an easy fit for a 210-pounder) replacing slashed
>>>> scupper
>>>>> hoses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone also cut the wires to the fridge, disabled the water heater,
>>>>> disconnected the galley sink drain, broke the bilge pump switch, jammed
>>>> the
>>>>> macerator pump, wrapped the jib halyard, put the wrong oil in the
>>>>> transmission and probably more that I haven't found yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> But tit will all be repaired soon, and I'll have a great boat.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jack Brennan
>>>>> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320, No. 528
>>>>> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>>>>> Dolphin Cruising Club of Tampa Bay
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
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>>
>>