[C320-list] Electrical panel question

islgirl3 at aol.com islgirl3 at aol.com
Tue Aug 28 08:53:25 PDT 2018 

Gene,
Can also send me a copy?
Thank you,


Rich Nuzzolo
richnuzzolo at gmail.com

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Treff <doug at treff.us>
To: C320-List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 27, 2018 2:02 pm
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question

Gene,

I have a 1996 model (Hull 350) and would love for you to send me privately whatever you have.

Thanks,

--
Doug Treff
doug at treff.us

On Mon, Aug 27, 2018, at 11:04 AM, Gene Gammon wrote:
> If anyone wants a copy of the manual or electrical schematic '93 to '03, 
> or plumbing, and some updates, I think I have all available and can send 
> you copies direct.
> 
> The panels changed through the years as did breakers and rocker 
> switches.  Plumbing also had modifications and updates.
> 
> 
> When I got my #351 last year "nothing" worked so have rebuilt most 
> everything and was fortunate to have an old friend at the Catalina 
> factory who helped with all available data.
> 
> 
> Gene Gammon, Capt.
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of 
> Jamie Pett <JPett at jp2architects.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:29 AM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
> 
> Troy and all - Thanks.  My panel definitely sounds like it is different. 
> Each two or three DC switches share a push button breaker either 5 or 10 
> amp depending on switches supported.
> 
> The breaker was bad - would not reset.
> 
> Replaced it from a local Pasadena Marine store called Cobe for $6.00, 
> and problem solved.
> 
> Thanks again for the input. - Jamie
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Aug 25, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Hull #514 there are both breakers and toggle switches.   The DC breakers
> > can not be switched by pushing them like the AC  ones can on this hull.
> > The DC breakers can only be reset.  At some point between hull #514 and the
> > 700s it looks like they must have changed to a different DC panel and a
> > different battery selector.  Probably around the same time that they
> > decided to provide proper support for making the salon table into a bed
> > LOL.  I’ve yet to find a proper copy of the earlier manual or DC wiring
> > diagram on line and invariably I leave my manual on the boat when I really
> > need it...like now.
> >
> > The rockers on Hull#514 are manufactured by Carling Technologies and the
> > part number is RA 911-VB-B-1-V.   These rockers are rated for tons of
> > cycles and have self cleaning contacts.  The cycle test does not account
> > for aging of the plastic parts inside which eventually become brittle and
> > break.  You can buy these online for $1.12 with $1.99 shipping from those
> > folks that offer free 2 day shipping for a yearly fee...but not for this
> > product.  I bought three figuring if I have spares I’ll never need them.
> > So far so good with that theory.
> >
> > I do find it extremely suspicious that both switches would go bad at the
> > same time so you may in fact have a bad breaker or some other upstream
> > problem.
> >
> > Troy
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 6:22 PM Pat Tormey <ptormey at 4square.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Couple of things. The best and easiest is to use a 12 volt circuit tester.
> >> (usually a probe with a light on it)  or a voltmeter and test the load side
> >> for voltage when the switch is flipped. One side of the breaker will always
> >> be hot and the other should only be hot when the switch is ON. If it
> >> doesn’t change the breaker is bad and needs to be replaced.
> >>
> >> Breakers are not really switches. They are not designed to be ‘switched’
> >> repeatedly and the little thingamajig inside wears out after some number of
> >> cycle.
> >>
> >> If you have a ohm meter you can OPEN the breaker and read the load side to
> >> ground. If it’s 0 or very low ohms then there is a short circuit which will
> >> cause the breaker to open instantly when you try to switch it.
> >>
> >> Now the advice I’m NOT giving you is to use a wire with gater clips on it
> >> to jumper over the breaker poles but clipping one side and just tapping the
> >> other. This will power up the circuit EVEN if the breaker is tripped for a
> >> valid reason. Which means that IF the load side is actually shorted out,
> >> you’ll see smoke AND the breaker is good. . IF the load side is fine the
> >> circuit will act like the breaker was set ON. Now, whatever you do don’t
> >> take this advice. The “Smoke Test” is a common tool we used on my Navy days.
> >>
> >>
> >> Pat Tormey
> >> Formally EM2 USN
> >>
> >> From: Jamie Pett
> >> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 5:57 PM
> >> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
> >>
> >> Troy- wasn’t working on the panel and the metal jumper seems tight as do
> >> all other connections. No click on the LP so definitely not powered.
> >>
> >> Do the push button fuses go bad ? I guess it could be that but I don’t
> >> know how to check it
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 4:51 PM, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Need more info.   Did you check the electrical connections on the back of
> >>> the rockers?   There is usually a metal jumper for the feed side of these
> >>> rockers, they can get bumped loose if you were working on other stuff
> >> back
> >>> there.    I had a rocker go bad over this last winter, but the symptoms
> >>> were somewhat intermittent and the rocker could be convinced to work
> >> with a
> >>> little back and forth.  I replaced it with a new rocker eventually.  I
> >>> guess it is possible that two rockers went bad at the same time.  Does
> >> the
> >>> LP valve click even though the led doesnt light?  Maybe the LED went bad
> >> or
> >>> got disconnected.
> >>>
> >>> Troy Dunn
> >>> Hull #514
> >>>
> >>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 4:32 PM Jamie Pett <JPett at jp2architects.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I am on Bella Luna - our 1999 c320 hull 614.  I am having an issue where
> >>>> the top two left breakers - LP gas valve and the accessory below it
> >>>> (stereo) are seemingly not working.
> >>>>
> >>>> Everything else working fine and the ‘white button’ that these two
> >> rocker
> >>>> switches share does not appear tripped or in any way ‘blown’.
> >>>>
> >>>> The stereo doesn’t power up and the indicator light on the LP valve does
> >>>> not come on.  Every other circuit working fine.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyone have any thoughts on what the cause might be ?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks - Jamie
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 24, 2018, at 1:45 PM, Gene Gammon <captaingene at msn.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If surveyed today they would indicate it needs replaced if older than
> >>>> 10-12 years.  That is the new way it is done as surveyors don't go up
> >> the
> >>>> rig any more and offset their liability.  They used to go up and check
> >>>> swedges with Emory cloth, magnifying glass, dyes, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If they say that in the survey report your insurance company will not
> >>>> insure until replaced.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Surveyors now advise you to get a rigger to inspect.  Riggers sell
> >>>> rigging for a living, not inspections 😊 Get it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've been in the sailboat business for over 40 years and have seen it
> >>>> change.  Some of the new surveyor rules are backed by manufacture's of
> >> the
> >>>> gear to offset their liability now. And some are just stupid or
> >> industry
> >>>> based for profit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good that I am able to retire 😎
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gene Gammon, Capt.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 727-644-8009
> >>>>>
> >>>>> www.gcyachts.com<http://www.gcyachts.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> www.irwinyachts.com<http://www.irwinyachts.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of
> >>>> Michael Ferguson <coralman at bellsouth.net>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:03 PM
> >>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks Gene my 95' rigging looks good but I'm getting nervous about it.
> >>>> Michael
> >>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Gene Gammon<captaingene at msn.com>
> >>>> wrote:   No, but I had a rigging company go up and inspect.  I had some
> >> new
> >>>> lifelines made locally and they also make standing rigging for most of
> >> the
> >>>> builders at the lowest prices you will find.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Seco South www.secosouth.com<http://www.secosouth.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gene Gammon, Capt.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 727-644-8009
> >>>>>
> >>>>> www.gcyachts.com<http://www.gcyachts.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> www.irwinyachts.com<http://www.irwinyachts.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of
> >>>> Michael Ferguson <coralman at bellsouth.net>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 10:25 AM
> >>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gene did you replace your standing rigging. Thanks Michael
> >>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Gene Gammon<captaingene at msn.com>
> >>>> wrote:  Jack,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I can help with any advise contact me.  I just totally refurbished
> >> my
> >>>> '96 320 in the last 12 months and have repaired, fixed or replaced most
> >> all
> >>>> of those things and more.  I can maybe advise best sources for parts,
> >>>> switches, faucets, heads, pumps, sails, lifelines, cushions, blocks,
> >>>> traveler ball bearings, lights, canvas, floors, windlass, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A few things may have changed between '96
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My boat is out of the water in Madeira Bch. getting a bottom job and
> >>>> installing AC this week.  The last of everything possible.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am in Treasure Island.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Gene Gammon, Capt.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 727-644-8009
> >>>>>
> >>>>> www.gcyachts.com<http://www.gcyachts.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> www.irwinyachts.com<http://www.irwinyachts.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of
> >>>> Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 6:53 PM
> >>>>> To: C320-list at catalina320.com
> >>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I posted this message last night. It appeared briefly in my phone’s
> >>>> email, along with two responses, and they vanished before I could read
> >>>> them. I also couldn’t find them on the web site. The mysteries of the
> >>>> Internet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, the work continues on my new-to-me 320.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In regard to my previous post, there was no fuel tank leak. The
> >> previous
> >>>>> owner apparently dumped or spilled diesel in the bilge (along with some
> >>>>> other things) before the bank repoed the boat.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A new question: One of the rocker switches on the 12-volt side of the
> >>>> panel
> >>>>> is broken. Which rocker switch at Catalina Direct is the correct one?
> >> And
> >>>>> are there any tips on replacing them before I go fumbling around?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It is an interesting archaeological quest to find all of the damage
> >> done
> >>>> to
> >>>>> the boat, apparently by the p.o. I spent part of today inside the
> >>>> starboard
> >>>>> cockpit locker (not an easy fit for a 210-pounder) replacing slashed
> >>>> scupper
> >>>>> hoses.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Someone also cut the wires to the fridge, disabled the water heater,
> >>>>> disconnected the galley sink drain, broke the bilge pump switch, jammed
> >>>> the
> >>>>> macerator pump, wrapped the jib halyard, put the wrong oil in the
> >>>>> transmission and probably more that I haven't found yet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But tit will all be repaired soon, and I'll have a great boat.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jack Brennan
> >>>>> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320, No. 528
> >>>>> Tierra Verde, Fl.
> >>>>> Dolphin Cruising Club of Tampa Bay
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---
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> >>>>
> >>
> >>

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