[C320-list] Electrical panel question

John morrison sail-ability at sympatico.ca
Tue Aug 28 08:58:16 PDT 2018 

Cud it be posted on our web site so that all can access?
JEM
1999#574
> On Aug 28, 2018, at 11:53 AM, islgirl3 at aol.com wrote:
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> Gene,
> Can also send me a copy?
> Thank you,
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> Rich Nuzzolo
> richnuzzolo at gmail.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Treff <doug at treff.us>
> To: C320-List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 27, 2018 2:02 pm
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
> 
> Gene,
> 
> I have a 1996 model (Hull 350) and would love for you to send me privately whatever you have.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --
> Doug Treff
> doug at treff.us
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> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018, at 11:04 AM, Gene Gammon wrote:
>> If anyone wants a copy of the manual or electrical schematic '93 to '03, 
>> or plumbing, and some updates, I think I have all available and can send 
>> you copies direct.
>> 
>> The panels changed through the years as did breakers and rocker 
>> switches.  Plumbing also had modifications and updates.
>> 
>> 
>> When I got my #351 last year "nothing" worked so have rebuilt most 
>> everything and was fortunate to have an old friend at the Catalina 
>> factory who helped with all available data.
>> 
>> 
>> Gene Gammon, Capt.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of 
>> Jamie Pett <JPett at jp2architects.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:29 AM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
>> 
>> Troy and all - Thanks.  My panel definitely sounds like it is different. 
>> Each two or three DC switches share a push button breaker either 5 or 10 
>> amp depending on switches supported.
>> 
>> The breaker was bad - would not reset.
>> 
>> Replaced it from a local Pasadena Marine store called Cobe for $6.00, 
>> and problem solved.
>> 
>> Thanks again for the input. - Jamie
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Hull #514 there are both breakers and toggle switches.   The DC breakers
>>> can not be switched by pushing them like the AC  ones can on this hull.
>>> The DC breakers can only be reset.  At some point between hull #514 and the
>>> 700s it looks like they must have changed to a different DC panel and a
>>> different battery selector.  Probably around the same time that they
>>> decided to provide proper support for making the salon table into a bed
>>> LOL.  I’ve yet to find a proper copy of the earlier manual or DC wiring
>>> diagram on line and invariably I leave my manual on the boat when I really
>>> need it...like now.
>>> 
>>> The rockers on Hull#514 are manufactured by Carling Technologies and the
>>> part number is RA 911-VB-B-1-V.   These rockers are rated for tons of
>>> cycles and have self cleaning contacts.  The cycle test does not account
>>> for aging of the plastic parts inside which eventually become brittle and
>>> break.  You can buy these online for $1.12 with $1.99 shipping from those
>>> folks that offer free 2 day shipping for a yearly fee...but not for this
>>> product.  I bought three figuring if I have spares I’ll never need them.
>>> So far so good with that theory.
>>> 
>>> I do find it extremely suspicious that both switches would go bad at the
>>> same time so you may in fact have a bad breaker or some other upstream
>>> problem.
>>> 
>>> Troy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 6:22 PM Pat Tormey <ptormey at 4square.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Couple of things. The best and easiest is to use a 12 volt circuit tester.
>>>> (usually a probe with a light on it)  or a voltmeter and test the load side
>>>> for voltage when the switch is flipped. One side of the breaker will always
>>>> be hot and the other should only be hot when the switch is ON. If it
>>>> doesn’t change the breaker is bad and needs to be replaced.
>>>> 
>>>> Breakers are not really switches. They are not designed to be ‘switched’
>>>> repeatedly and the little thingamajig inside wears out after some number of
>>>> cycle.
>>>> 
>>>> If you have a ohm meter you can OPEN the breaker and read the load side to
>>>> ground. If it’s 0 or very low ohms then there is a short circuit which will
>>>> cause the breaker to open instantly when you try to switch it.
>>>> 
>>>> Now the advice I’m NOT giving you is to use a wire with gater clips on it
>>>> to jumper over the breaker poles but clipping one side and just tapping the
>>>> other. This will power up the circuit EVEN if the breaker is tripped for a
>>>> valid reason. Which means that IF the load side is actually shorted out,
>>>> you’ll see smoke AND the breaker is good. . IF the load side is fine the
>>>> circuit will act like the breaker was set ON. Now, whatever you do don’t
>>>> take this advice. The “Smoke Test” is a common tool we used on my Navy days.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Pat Tormey
>>>> Formally EM2 USN
>>>> 
>>>> From: Jamie Pett
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 5:57 PM
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
>>>> 
>>>> Troy- wasn’t working on the panel and the metal jumper seems tight as do
>>>> all other connections. No click on the LP so definitely not powered.
>>>> 
>>>> Do the push button fuses go bad ? I guess it could be that but I don’t
>>>> know how to check it
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 4:51 PM, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Need more info.   Did you check the electrical connections on the back of
>>>>> the rockers?   There is usually a metal jumper for the feed side of these
>>>>> rockers, they can get bumped loose if you were working on other stuff
>>>> back
>>>>> there.    I had a rocker go bad over this last winter, but the symptoms
>>>>> were somewhat intermittent and the rocker could be convinced to work
>>>> with a
>>>>> little back and forth.  I replaced it with a new rocker eventually.  I
>>>>> guess it is possible that two rockers went bad at the same time.  Does
>>>> the
>>>>> LP valve click even though the led doesnt light?  Maybe the LED went bad
>>>> or
>>>>> got disconnected.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Troy Dunn
>>>>> Hull #514
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 4:32 PM Jamie Pett <JPett at jp2architects.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am on Bella Luna - our 1999 c320 hull 614.  I am having an issue where
>>>>>> the top two left breakers - LP gas valve and the accessory below it
>>>>>> (stereo) are seemingly not working.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Everything else working fine and the ‘white button’ that these two
>>>> rocker
>>>>>> switches share does not appear tripped or in any way ‘blown’.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The stereo doesn’t power up and the indicator light on the LP valve does
>>>>>> not come on.  Every other circuit working fine.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyone have any thoughts on what the cause might be ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks - Jamie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 24, 2018, at 1:45 PM, Gene Gammon <captaingene at msn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If surveyed today they would indicate it needs replaced if older than
>>>>>> 10-12 years.  That is the new way it is done as surveyors don't go up
>>>> the
>>>>>> rig any more and offset their liability.  They used to go up and check
>>>>>> swedges with Emory cloth, magnifying glass, dyes, etc.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If they say that in the survey report your insurance company will not
>>>>>> insure until replaced.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Surveyors now advise you to get a rigger to inspect.  Riggers sell
>>>>>> rigging for a living, not inspections 😊 Get it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I've been in the sailboat business for over 40 years and have seen it
>>>>>> change.  Some of the new surveyor rules are backed by manufacture's of
>>>> the
>>>>>> gear to offset their liability now. And some are just stupid or
>>>> industry
>>>>>> based for profit.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Good that I am able to retire 😎
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Gene Gammon, Capt.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 727-644-8009
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> www.gcyachts.com<http://www.gcyachts.com>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> www.irwinyachts.com<http://www.irwinyachts.com>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of
>>>>>> Michael Ferguson <coralman at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:03 PM
>>>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks Gene my 95' rigging looks good but I'm getting nervous about it.
>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Gene Gammon<captaingene at msn.com>
>>>>>> wrote:   No, but I had a rigging company go up and inspect.  I had some
>>>> new
>>>>>> lifelines made locally and they also make standing rigging for most of
>>>> the
>>>>>> builders at the lowest prices you will find.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Seco South www.secosouth.com<http://www.secosouth.com>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Gene Gammon, Capt.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 727-644-8009
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> www.gcyachts.com<http://www.gcyachts.com>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> www.irwinyachts.com<http://www.irwinyachts.com>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of
>>>>>> Michael Ferguson <coralman at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 10:25 AM
>>>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Gene did you replace your standing rigging. Thanks Michael
>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Gene Gammon<captaingene at msn.com>
>>>>>> wrote:  Jack,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If I can help with any advise contact me.  I just totally refurbished
>>>> my
>>>>>> '96 320 in the last 12 months and have repaired, fixed or replaced most
>>>> all
>>>>>> of those things and more.  I can maybe advise best sources for parts,
>>>>>> switches, faucets, heads, pumps, sails, lifelines, cushions, blocks,
>>>>>> traveler ball bearings, lights, canvas, floors, windlass, etc.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A few things may have changed between '96
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My boat is out of the water in Madeira Bch. getting a bottom job and
>>>>>> installing AC this week.  The last of everything possible.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am in Treasure Island.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Gene Gammon, Capt.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 727-644-8009
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> www.gcyachts.com<http://www.gcyachts.com>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> www.irwinyachts.com<http://www.irwinyachts.com>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of
>>>>>> Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 6:53 PM
>>>>>>> To: C320-list at catalina320.com
>>>>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I posted this message last night. It appeared briefly in my phone’s
>>>>>> email, along with two responses, and they vanished before I could read
>>>>>> them. I also couldn’t find them on the web site. The mysteries of the
>>>>>> Internet.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well, the work continues on my new-to-me 320.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In regard to my previous post, there was no fuel tank leak. The
>>>> previous
>>>>>>> owner apparently dumped or spilled diesel in the bilge (along with some
>>>>>>> other things) before the bank repoed the boat.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> A new question: One of the rocker switches on the 12-volt side of the
>>>>>> panel
>>>>>>> is broken. Which rocker switch at Catalina Direct is the correct one?
>>>> And
>>>>>>> are there any tips on replacing them before I go fumbling around?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It is an interesting archaeological quest to find all of the damage
>>>> done
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the boat, apparently by the p.o. I spent part of today inside the
>>>>>> starboard
>>>>>>> cockpit locker (not an easy fit for a 210-pounder) replacing slashed
>>>>>> scupper
>>>>>>> hoses.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Someone also cut the wires to the fridge, disabled the water heater,
>>>>>>> disconnected the galley sink drain, broke the bilge pump switch, jammed
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> macerator pump, wrapped the jib halyard, put the wrong oil in the
>>>>>>> transmission and probably more that I haven't found yet.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But tit will all be repaired soon, and I'll have a great boat.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jack Brennan
>>>>>>> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320, No. 528
>>>>>>> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>>>>>>> Dolphin Cruising Club of Tampa Bay
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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