[C320-list] Electrical panel question
John Morrison
sail-ability at sympatico.ca
Wed Aug 29 04:49:38 PDT 2018
There are folks out there more capable than I of doing this.....takers?
JEM
1999#575
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 28, 2018, at 10:34 PM, Gene Gammon <captaingene at msn.com> wrote:
>
> I will be happy to email it to you directly and you can post it. You may know how better than I without having to learn. 😊
> Here is the basic manual. If you want the updates let me know and I will send. I seem to have several diagrams for newer 320s also that I accumulated from a factory source. The 320 went through many changes it seems over they many years of production.
> Make sure you read the dates of drawings and items updated in the plans.
>
> Gene Gammon, Capt.
>
> #351 1996
>
>
>
> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of John morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 11:58 AM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
>
> Cud it be posted on our web site so that all can access?
> JEM
> 1999#574
> > On Aug 28, 2018, at 11:53 AM, islgirl3 at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > Gene,
> > Can also send me a copy?
> > Thank you,
> >
> >
> > Rich Nuzzolo
> > richnuzzolo at gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Doug Treff <doug at treff.us>
> > To: C320-List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Sent: Mon, Aug 27, 2018 2:02 pm
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
> >
> > Gene,
> >
> > I have a 1996 model (Hull 350) and would love for you to send me privately whatever you have.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > Doug Treff
> > doug at treff.us
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018, at 11:04 AM, Gene Gammon wrote:
> >> If anyone wants a copy of the manual or electrical schematic '93 to '03,
> >> or plumbing, and some updates, I think I have all available and can send
> >> you copies direct.
> >>
> >> The panels changed through the years as did breakers and rocker
> >> switches. Plumbing also had modifications and updates.
> >>
> >>
> >> When I got my #351 last year "nothing" worked so have rebuilt most
> >> everything and was fortunate to have an old friend at the Catalina
> >> factory who helped with all available data.
> >>
> >>
> >> Gene Gammon, Capt.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of
> >> Jamie Pett <JPett at jp2architects.com>
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:29 AM
> >> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
> >>
> >> Troy and all - Thanks. My panel definitely sounds like it is different.
> >> Each two or three DC switches share a push button breaker either 5 or 10
> >> amp depending on switches supported.
> >>
> >> The breaker was bad - would not reset.
> >>
> >> Replaced it from a local Pasadena Marine store called Cobe for $6.00,
> >> and problem solved.
> >>
> >> Thanks again for the input. - Jamie
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Hull #514 there are both breakers and toggle switches. The DC breakers
> >>> can not be switched by pushing them like the AC ones can on this hull.
> >>> The DC breakers can only be reset. At some point between hull #514 and the
> >>> 700s it looks like they must have changed to a different DC panel and a
> >>> different battery selector. Probably around the same time that they
> >>> decided to provide proper support for making the salon table into a bed
> >>> LOL. I’ve yet to find a proper copy of the earlier manual or DC wiring
> >>> diagram on line and invariably I leave my manual on the boat when I really
> >>> need it...like now.
> >>>
> >>> The rockers on Hull#514 are manufactured by Carling Technologies and the
> >>> part number is RA 911-VB-B-1-V. These rockers are rated for tons of
> >>> cycles and have self cleaning contacts. The cycle test does not account
> >>> for aging of the plastic parts inside which eventually become brittle and
> >>> break. You can buy these online for $1.12 with $1.99 shipping from those
> >>> folks that offer free 2 day shipping for a yearly fee...but not for this
> >>> product. I bought three figuring if I have spares I’ll never need them.
> >>> So far so good with that theory.
> >>>
> >>> I do find it extremely suspicious that both switches would go bad at the
> >>> same time so you may in fact have a bad breaker or some other upstream
> >>> problem.
> >>>
> >>> Troy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 6:22 PM Pat Tormey <ptormey at 4square.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Couple of things. The best and easiest is to use a 12 volt circuit tester.
> >>>> (usually a probe with a light on it) or a voltmeter and test the load side
> >>>> for voltage when the switch is flipped. One side of the breaker will always
> >>>> be hot and the other should only be hot when the switch is ON. If it
> >>>> doesn’t change the breaker is bad and needs to be replaced.
> >>>>
> >>>> Breakers are not really switches. They are not designed to be ‘switched’
> >>>> repeatedly and the little thingamajig inside wears out after some number of
> >>>> cycle.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you have a ohm meter you can OPEN the breaker and read the load side to
> >>>> ground. If it’s 0 or very low ohms then there is a short circuit which will
> >>>> cause the breaker to open instantly when you try to switch it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now the advice I’m NOT giving you is to use a wire with gater clips on it
> >>>> to jumper over the breaker poles but clipping one side and just tapping the
> >>>> other. This will power up the circuit EVEN if the breaker is tripped for a
> >>>> valid reason. Which means that IF the load side is actually shorted out,
> >>>> you’ll see smoke AND the breaker is good. . IF the load side is fine the
> >>>> circuit will act like the breaker was set ON. Now, whatever you do don’t
> >>>> take this advice. The “Smoke Test” is a common tool we used on my Navy days.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Pat Tormey
> >>>> Formally EM2 USN
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Jamie Pett
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 5:57 PM
> >>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
> >>>>
> >>>> Troy- wasn’t working on the panel and the metal jumper seems tight as do
> >>>> all other connections. No click on the LP so definitely not powered.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do the push button fuses go bad ? I guess it could be that but I don’t
> >>>> know how to check it
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 4:51 PM, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Need more info. Did you check the electrical connections on the back of
> >>>>> the rockers? There is usually a metal jumper for the feed side of these
> >>>>> rockers, they can get bumped loose if you were working on other stuff
> >>>> back
> >>>>> there. I had a rocker go bad over this last winter, but the symptoms
> >>>>> were somewhat intermittent and the rocker could be convinced to work
> >>>> with a
> >>>>> little back and forth. I replaced it with a new rocker eventually. I
> >>>>> guess it is possible that two rockers went bad at the same time. Does
> >>>> the
> >>>>> LP valve click even though the led doesnt light? Maybe the LED went bad
> >>>> or
> >>>>> got disconnected.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Troy Dunn
> >>>>> Hull #514
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 4:32 PM Jamie Pett <JPett at jp2architects.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am on Bella Luna - our 1999 c320 hull 614. I am having an issue where
> >>>>>> the top two left breakers - LP gas valve and the accessory below it
> >>>>>> (stereo) are seemingly not working.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Everything else working fine and the ‘white button’ that these two
> >>>> rocker
> >>>>>> switches share does not appear tripped or in any way ‘blown’.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The stereo doesn’t power up and the indicator light on the LP valve does
> >>>>>> not come on. Every other circuit working fine.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyone have any thoughts on what the cause might be ?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks - Jamie
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Aug 24, 2018, at 1:45 PM, Gene Gammon <captaingene at msn.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If surveyed today they would indicate it needs replaced if older than
> >>>>>> 10-12 years. That is the new way it is done as surveyors don't go up
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> rig any more and offset their liability. They used to go up and check
> >>>>>> swedges with Emory cloth, magnifying glass, dyes, etc.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If they say that in the survey report your insurance company will not
> >>>>>> insure until replaced.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Surveyors now advise you to get a rigger to inspect. Riggers sell
> >>>>>> rigging for a living, not inspections 😊 Get it?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I've been in the sailboat business for over 40 years and have seen it
> >>>>>> change. Some of the new surveyor rules are backed by manufacture's of
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> gear to offset their liability now. And some are just stupid or
> >>>> industry
> >>>>>> based for profit.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Good that I am able to retire 😎
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Gene Gammon, Capt.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 727-644-8009
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> www.gcyachts.com<http://www.gcyachts.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> www.irwinyachts.com<http://www.irwinyachts.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of
> >>>>>> Michael Ferguson <coralman at bellsouth.net>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 1:03 PM
> >>>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks Gene my 95' rigging looks good but I'm getting nervous about it.
> >>>>>> Michael
> >>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Gene Gammon<captaingene at msn.com>
> >>>>>> wrote: No, but I had a rigging company go up and inspect. I had some
> >>>> new
> >>>>>> lifelines made locally and they also make standing rigging for most of
> >>>> the
> >>>>>> builders at the lowest prices you will find.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Seco South www.secosouth.com<http://www.secosouth.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Gene Gammon, Capt.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 727-644-8009
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> www.gcyachts.com<http://www.gcyachts.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> www.irwinyachts.com<http://www.irwinyachts.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of
> >>>>>> Michael Ferguson <coralman at bellsouth.net>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 10:25 AM
> >>>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Gene did you replace your standing rigging. Thanks Michael
> >>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Gene Gammon<captaingene at msn.com>
> >>>>>> wrote: Jack,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If I can help with any advise contact me. I just totally refurbished
> >>>> my
> >>>>>> '96 320 in the last 12 months and have repaired, fixed or replaced most
> >>>> all
> >>>>>> of those things and more. I can maybe advise best sources for parts,
> >>>>>> switches, faucets, heads, pumps, sails, lifelines, cushions, blocks,
> >>>>>> traveler ball bearings, lights, canvas, floors, windlass, etc.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> A few things may have changed between '96
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My boat is out of the water in Madeira Bch. getting a bottom job and
> >>>>>> installing AC this week. The last of everything possible.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am in Treasure Island.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Gene Gammon, Capt.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 727-644-8009
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> www.gcyachts.com<http://www.gcyachts.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> www.irwinyachts.com<http://www.irwinyachts.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ________________________________
> >>>>>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of
> >>>>>> Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 6:53 PM
> >>>>>>> To: C320-list at catalina320.com
> >>>>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Electrical panel question
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I posted this message last night. It appeared briefly in my phone’s
> >>>>>> email, along with two responses, and they vanished before I could read
> >>>>>> them. I also couldn’t find them on the web site. The mysteries of the
> >>>>>> Internet.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well, the work continues on my new-to-me 320.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In regard to my previous post, there was no fuel tank leak. The
> >>>> previous
> >>>>>>> owner apparently dumped or spilled diesel in the bilge (along with some
> >>>>>>> other things) before the bank repoed the boat.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> A new question: One of the rocker switches on the 12-volt side of the
> >>>>>> panel
> >>>>>>> is broken. Which rocker switch at Catalina Direct is the correct one?
> >>>> And
> >>>>>>> are there any tips on replacing them before I go fumbling around?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It is an interesting archaeological quest to find all of the damage
> >>>> done
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> the boat, apparently by the p.o. I spent part of today inside the
> >>>>>> starboard
> >>>>>>> cockpit locker (not an easy fit for a 210-pounder) replacing slashed
> >>>>>> scupper
> >>>>>>> hoses.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Someone also cut the wires to the fridge, disabled the water heater,
> >>>>>>> disconnected the galley sink drain, broke the bilge pump switch, jammed
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> macerator pump, wrapped the jib halyard, put the wrong oil in the
> >>>>>>> transmission and probably more that I haven't found yet.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But tit will all be repaired soon, and I'll have a great boat.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jack Brennan
> >>>>>>> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320, No. 528
> >>>>>>> Tierra Verde, Fl.
> >>>>>>> Dolphin Cruising Club of Tampa Bay
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ---
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> >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
>
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