[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 3310, Issue 1
Sara Skinner Schroeder
saras951 at comcast.net
Mon Oct 22 14:38:29 PDT 2018
Thanks for the info on the PHRF ratings. My C320 has a rating of 171 I am always at the back of the pack. The other boats in my class are super fast and I think the rating is too high. I totally admit my skippering and occasional spinnaker snafu's contribute but I just can't get her to point as high as the other boats. Any thoughts on how to pinch up higher without sacrificing speed?
I agree with Chris about rounding up. We rounded up twice in last Saturday's race in about 12 knots of wind and she totally got away from me. We finished the race with the main further out and the crew as rail meat at the fattest part of the beam which helped.
Yes it's fun even though we aren't competitive!
Also, regarding the heat exchanger/overflow issue - I'll try adding coolant to the overflow tank and see what happens. Thanks for the suggestion about air in the system. The engine seemed hotter than normal and for a longer period of time after she was shut off. If there is air in the system how do you get it out?
Sara
Wandering Star
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> 1. Racing handicap (Sara Schroeder Skinner)
> 2. Re: Racing handicap (Bev Wright)
> 3. Re: Racing handicap (Jeff Smith)
> 4. Re: Source for LED lights for cabin (Ray Taylor)
> 5. Re: Racing handicap (Jack Brennan)
> 6. Re: Racing handicap (Denny Browne)
> 7. Re: Racing handicap (Chris Burti)
> 8. Re: Racing handicap (Bev Wright)
> 9. Re: Heat Exchanger/Overflow Tank (Troy Dunn)
> 10. Re: Racing handicap (Diane Fowler)
> 11. Re: Racing handicap (Pat Tormey)
> 12. Re: Source for LED lights for cabin (Christian)
> 13. Re: Source for LED lights for cabin (Gene Gammon)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 15:28:22 -0700
> From: Sara Schroeder Skinner <saras951 at comcast.net>
> To: C320 Blog <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Racing handicap
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> If anyone races their C320 what is your rating?
> Sara
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 18:48:31 -0400
> From: "Bev Wright" <bev.wright at verizon.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Racing handicap
> Message-ID: <037201d46990$30e4dfe0$92ae9fa0$@verizon.net>
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> My PHRF for Chesapeake, Non-Spinnaker, is 180. It depends on sail material,
> furler, etc.
>
> Bev Wright
> 1993 C-320 "Whoosh" #15
> Deale, MD (Chesapeake Bay, HHN)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of Sara
> Schroeder Skinner
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 6:28 PM
> To: C320 Blog <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Racing handicap
>
> If anyone races their C320 what is your rating?
> Sara
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 23:05:12 +0000
> From: Jeff Smith <jeffreyssmith at live.com>
> To: Sara Schroeder Skinner <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Racing handicap
> Message-ID:
> <BN6PR11MB1969E916CBE2D4F1EB789F57DAFB0 at BN6PR11MB1969.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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> My PHrf (occasional racer) with stackpack and other cruising adjustments is 174,, also in the Chesapeake area.
>
> Jeff Smith
> '94
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> Original Message
> From: Sara Schroeder Skinner
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 6:28 PM
> To: C320 Blog
> Reply To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Racing handicap
>
>
> If anyone races their C320 what is your rating?
> Sara
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 17:12:41 -0700
> From: Ray Taylor <raytaylor at embarqmail.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Source for LED lights for cabin
> Message-ID: <18D94386-56ED-436D-8DB8-075043BDA2A3 at embarqmail.com>
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> I?ve been using LED?s from this source for cabin lights. The quality seems reasonable, time will tell how long they last.
> http://marineledshop.com <http://marineledshop.com/>
> Ray
>
>
> > On Oct 21, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Chris Nichols <cinichols at btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > I?ve had no problems with standard g9 leds from lowes. Few bucks a pop I seem to remember from about 3 years ago. 3 to 5 watt ones make for good lighting and the colour is nice and mellow.
> > They seem to tolerate the voltage variation without complaint.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >> On 21 Oct 2018, at 19:32, Jack Fitzgibbon <chuters1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Try MarineBeam.com. They?ve designed LED that do not interfere with VHF transmission.
> >>
> >> Jack
> >> #441
> >> Indialantic, FL
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Larry Frank <WindSwept at stx.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I am looking for a cost effective source LED festoon bulbs to replace the
> >>> incandescent bulbs that were standard equipment on my 1995 320. I will only
> >>> go with a warm white color. Not the cool white that is actually very
> >>> bright and blue in color. DrLED has a nice light with a color temperature
> >>> of 3000K which looks good but I paid $55 at the local West Marine store for
> >>> ONE. That adds up to $440 to replace them all. Ouch. DRLed sells them at
> >>> $40 on their website and Defender has them at $36 but that is still pretty
> >>> pricy. I won?t even get into the WM pricing policy in this post.
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone found a lower priced source for these bulbs?
> >>>
> >>> Larry
> >>> WindSwept C320 #246
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 21:49:58 -0400
> From: "Jack Brennan" <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Racing handicap
> Message-ID: <E90BE0EA8F4D45778E1F43585191880B at jackPC>
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>
> Those PHRF ratings seem high. (More power to you ...) New England has the
> 320 at 153 for the standard keel and 162 for the wing keel.
>
> If I were a racer, I think I would love to have a 180 rating. So far on my
> new-to-me 320, this is one fast boat. Other boats in the 180 range that I
> know of are the Bristol 29.9, C&C 27 and Cal 30. I don't think there's any
> comparison.
>
> On the Gulf of Mexico yesterday, I overtook and then ran away from a Hunter
> 420 in 10 knots of wind. And I don't even have a feel for the boat yet.
>
> You folks know better than me, but the 320 seems very sensitive to sail
> adjustment. A little bit of sail tinkering can really make it go. That's an
> eye-opener to me, coming from a CCA-style Bristol 30. Tinkering didn't seem
> to do much to make it go faster.
>
> Jack Brennan
> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> Tierra Verde, Fl.
> Dolphin Cruising Club of Tampa Bay
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Smith
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 7:05 PM
> To: Sara Schroeder Skinner
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Racing handicap
>
> My PHrf (occasional racer) with stackpack and other cruising adjustments is
> 174,, also in the Chesapeake area.
>
> Jeff Smith
> '94
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> Original Message
> From: Sara Schroeder Skinner
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 6:28 PM
> To: C320 Blog
> Reply To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Racing handicap
>
>
> If anyone races their C320 what is your rating?
> Sara
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 18:50:06 -0700
> From: Denny Browne <denny.browne at me.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Racing handicap
> Message-ID: <6DD03948-7115-4130-AA27-EE7907943826 at me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> A Cappella rates 150 in spinnaker class. We don?t win very often but always have a great time!
>
> Denny Browne
> Denny.Browne at me.com
> 310-408-9591
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 21, 2018, at 4:05 PM, Jeff Smith <jeffreyssmith at live.com> wrote:
> >
> > My PHrf (occasional racer) with stackpack and other cruising adjustments is 174,, also in the Chesapeake area.
> >
> > Jeff Smith
> > '94
> >
> > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> > Original Message
> > From: Sara Schroeder Skinner
> > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 6:28 PM
> > To: C320 Blog
> > Reply To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: [C320-list] Racing handicap
> >
> >
> > If anyone races their C320 what is your rating?
> > Sara
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 22:11:33 -0400
> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Racing handicap
> Message-ID: <8C0BB3D0-220E-4EE5-8B6B-6E4232C452EB at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I concur on sail adjustments. Definitely a fast boat, but really needs to be sailed on her feet. Speed drops off rapidly if heeled too far.
>
> Several of us report being able to sail the 320 without rounding up in 17-20 knots without furling the 135 or main by depowering the sails to balance the rig and get her on her feet.
>
> If the actual wind is a reach, the apparent will be close hauled because you will be making 7-7.5 knots.
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Chris Burti
> Commitment #867
>
> > On Oct 21, 2018, at 9:49 PM, Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> > Those PHRF ratings seem high. (More power to you ...) New England has the 320 at 153 for the standard keel and 162 for the wing keel.
> >
> > If I were a racer, I think I would love to have a 180 rating. So far on my new-to-me 320, this is one fast boat. Other boats in the 180 range that I know of are the Bristol 29.9, C&C 27 and Cal 30. I don't think there's any comparison.
> >
> > On the Gulf of Mexico yesterday, I overtook and then ran away from a Hunter 420 in 10 knots of wind. And I don't even have a feel for the boat yet.
> >
> > You folks know better than me, but the 320 seems very sensitive to sail adjustment. A little bit of sail tinkering can really make it go. That's an eye-opener to me, coming from a CCA-style Bristol 30. Tinkering didn't seem to do much to make it go faster.
> >
> > Jack Brennan
> > Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> > Tierra Verde, Fl.
> > Dolphin Cruising Club of Tampa Bay
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Smith
> > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 7:05 PM
> > To: Sara Schroeder Skinner
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Racing handicap
> >
> > My PHrf (occasional racer) with stackpack and other cruising adjustments is 174,, also in the Chesapeake area.
> >
> > Jeff Smith
> > '94
> >
> > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> > Original Message
> > From: Sara Schroeder Skinner
> > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 6:28 PM
> > To: C320 Blog
> > Reply To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: [C320-list] Racing handicap
> >
> >
> > If anyone races their C320 what is your rating?
> > Sara
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > ---
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 22:13:07 -0400
> From: Bev Wright <bev.wright at verizon.net>
> To: c320-list at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Racing handicap
> Message-ID: <1dcb300c-d325-4f10-bc57-b01c110c65bf at verizon.net>
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>
> The base is 162, but I get credit for 2 blade prop, dacron mainsail, furling jib, but no credit for laminate jib. There may be other factors considered. A couple of years ago it was 177 but then the rules changed so I got 3 more secs.
>
> Bev Wright
> #15, Whoosh
>
> ?Sent from TypeApp ?
>
> On Oct 21, 2018, 9:49 PM, at 9:49 PM, Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >Those PHRF ratings seem high. (More power to you ...) New England has
> >the
> >320 at 153 for the standard keel and 162 for the wing keel.
> >
> >If I were a racer, I think I would love to have a 180 rating. So far on
> >my
> >new-to-me 320, this is one fast boat. Other boats in the 180 range that
> >I
> >know of are the Bristol 29.9, C&C 27 and Cal 30. I don't think there's
> >any
> >comparison.
> >
> >On the Gulf of Mexico yesterday, I overtook and then ran away from a
> >Hunter
> >420 in 10 knots of wind. And I don't even have a feel for the boat yet.
> >
> >You folks know better than me, but the 320 seems very sensitive to sail
> >
> >adjustment. A little bit of sail tinkering can really make it go.
> >That's an
> >eye-opener to me, coming from a CCA-style Bristol 30. Tinkering didn't
> >seem
> >to do much to make it go faster.
> >
> >Jack Brennan
> >Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> >Tierra Verde, Fl.
> >Dolphin Cruising Club of Tampa Bay
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jeff Smith
> >Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 7:05 PM
> >To: Sara Schroeder Skinner
> >Subject: Re: [C320-list] Racing handicap
> >
> >My PHrf (occasional racer) with stackpack and other cruising
> >adjustments is
> >174,, also in the Chesapeake area.
> >
> >Jeff Smith
> >'94
> >
> >Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> > Original Message
> >From: Sara Schroeder Skinner
> >Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 6:28 PM
> >To: C320 Blog
> >Reply To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> >Subject: [C320-list] Racing handicap
> >
> >
> >If anyone races their C320 what is your rating?
> >Sara
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> >---
> >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2018 22:42:03 -0400
> From: Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Heat Exchanger/Overflow Tank
> Message-ID:
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>
> Pretty difficult to say exactly what is happening without a whole lot of
> other info.
>
> One suggestion I have is to fill the expansion/overflow tank 1/4 full. If
> after the next time you get your engine up to temperature and then a full
> cool down you don't have any coolant in the overflow then you still
> potentially have air in your cooling loops...probably the ones going to the
> heat exchanger in your domestic hot water tank.
>
> Troy Dunn
> Hull#514
> Wonky Dog
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 07:50:05 -0400
> From: Diane Fowler <dianeflr at aol.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Racing handicap
> Message-ID: <A84D4DC2-661A-4012-8C07-14C210A8AFF2 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I race in SW Florida in the cruising division.
>
> Yes, I get credits for A/C, anchor & chain, etc
>
> Latest rating is 209. Keep getting beat by 33' Tartan! Will need to monitor his # this season....
>
> Best wishes! Racing is a wonderful way to learn about sail trim and your boat's quirks quickly.
>
> Captain Diane Fowler, Sellstate Priority Realty Network.
> Www.CapeCoralHomes.com
> 239-850-4935
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 21, 2018, at 10:13 PM, Bev Wright <bev.wright at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > The base is 162, but I get credit for 2 blade prop, dacron mainsail, furling jib, but no credit for laminate jib. There may be other factors considered. A couple of years ago it was 177 but then the rules changed so I got 3 more secs.
> >
> > Bev Wright
> > #15, Whoosh
> >
> > ?Sent from TypeApp ?
> >
> >> On Oct 21, 2018, 9:49 PM, at 9:49 PM, Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> Those PHRF ratings seem high. (More power to you ...) New England has
> >> the
> >> 320 at 153 for the standard keel and 162 for the wing keel.
> >>
> >> If I were a racer, I think I would love to have a 180 rating. So far on
> >> my
> >> new-to-me 320, this is one fast boat. Other boats in the 180 range that
> >> I
> >> know of are the Bristol 29.9, C&C 27 and Cal 30. I don't think there's
> >> any
> >> comparison.
> >>
> >> On the Gulf of Mexico yesterday, I overtook and then ran away from a
> >> Hunter
> >> 420 in 10 knots of wind. And I don't even have a feel for the boat yet.
> >>
> >> You folks know better than me, but the 320 seems very sensitive to sail
> >>
> >> adjustment. A little bit of sail tinkering can really make it go.
> >> That's an
> >> eye-opener to me, coming from a CCA-style Bristol 30. Tinkering didn't
> >> seem
> >> to do much to make it go faster.
> >>
> >> Jack Brennan
> >> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> >> Tierra Verde, Fl.
> >> Dolphin Cruising Club of Tampa Bay
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jeff Smith
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 7:05 PM
> >> To: Sara Schroeder Skinner
> >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Racing handicap
> >>
> >> My PHrf (occasional racer) with stackpack and other cruising
> >> adjustments is
> >> 174,, also in the Chesapeake area.
> >>
> >> Jeff Smith
> >> '94
> >>
> >> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
> >> Original Message
> >> From: Sara Schroeder Skinner
> >> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 6:28 PM
> >> To: C320 Blog
> >> Reply To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> >> Subject: [C320-list] Racing handicap
> >>
> >>
> >> If anyone races their C320 what is your rating?
> >> Sara
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 08:16:32 -0400
> From: Pat Tormey <ptormey at 4square.net>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Racing handicap
> Message-ID:
> <mailman.10055.1540216162.13353.c320-list-catalina320.com at lists.catalina320.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> You might wanna check out
> http://www.phrfchesbay.org/page/ratings
>
> You can compare previous ratings and see the rules on what affects what. Or apply for your own though there might be a fee.
> Or your local PHRF rating site.
>
>
>
> Pat Tormey
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 07:32:24 -0500
> From: Christian <ccaper at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Source for LED lights for cabin
> Message-ID:
> <CALPivwKE2YenBpOLzEUF09As+U_p2kJXdeqYUmcy5iixY=DSiw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> I put in these LunaSea lights last off season:
> http://www.lunasealighting.com/products/detail/pointed-festoon-9-led-light-bulb-42mm/led-replacement-bulbs
>
> Yes, the 9 led model did fit in the cabin lights of my 1994 C320. I'm very
> happy with them. The warm white is indistinguishable to me from
> incandescents, and they are very bright. Supposedly rf shielded, and can
> handle voltage irregularities. List price is $12.99 each, got mine from
> FisheriesSupplies.com
>
> Christian Caperton
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:49:20 +0000
> From: Gene Gammon <captaingene at msn.com>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Source for LED lights for cabin
> Message-ID:
> <SN1PR18MB2351EC06E516DA249508342CACF40 at SN1PR18MB2351.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I bought several for much less on amazon. Did all the interior lights for about $30. Listed as auto lights.
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Christian <ccaper at gmail.com>
> Date: 10/22/2018 8:32 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Source for LED lights for cabin
>
> I put in these LunaSea lights last off season:
> http://www.lunasealighting.com/products/detail/pointed-festoon-9-led-light-bulb-42mm/led-replacement-bulbs
>
> Yes, the 9 led model did fit in the cabin lights of my 1994 C320. I'm very
> happy with them. The warm white is indistinguishable to me from
> incandescents, and they are very bright. Supposedly rf shielded, and can
> handle voltage irregularities. List price is $12.99 each, got mine from
> FisheriesSupplies.com
>
> Christian Caperton
>
>
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