[C320-list] Winch Rebuild

[jackbrennan]

I'm wondering whether there is a performance difference in replacing springs and pawls that aren't broken. Or is it more preventive maintenance?
I passed on the kits after disassembling the winches and seeing that all appeared to be in good shape.
The machine oil made a ton of difference.
Jack BrennanSonas, 1998 Catalina 320, no. 528Tierra Verde, Fl.Dolphin Cruising Club of Tampa Bay



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  On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:01 AM, John morrison<sail-ability at sympatico.ca> wrote:   I guess good preventive maintenance….All for the want of a horseshoe nail!!
The only thing that ever broke on my winches was the stripper ring on the 44 Self Tailing winches. this is a real bummer if you’re single handing! I carry a spare one now.
JEM
> On Feb 18, 2019, at 11:49 AM, Christian <ccaper at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Everything I've read said to service every year and to replace springs
> every service and inspect pawls, including the Crowley's winch rebuild
> class I took at Chicago sail show a few years ago.  When I finally got the
> time to service my winches after a year of owning, and not know previous
> owner's service history, I found 2 pawls with broken springs, and two
> others very rusted, on a Lake Michigan only operated boat.
> 
> For the price of the spring, I just plan on replacing them every service.
> -Christian
> 
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 10:39 AM John morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
> 
>> Why are you replacing the pawl springs? I’ve never had one fail and the
>> boat is a 1999 which I’ve owned since 2010. I service the winches every 3
>> years since I sail on Lake Ontario in fresh water so no corrosion issues
>> here. I clean the pawls and springs and add a drop of 3in1 oil, no grease
>> here as those pawls need to be fast acting.
>> Cheers
>> JEM
>> 1999#574
>>> On Feb 18, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Christian <ccaper at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tom,
>>> I rebuilt all 4 of mine last year.  I bought the rebuild kits from
>>> Defender.  The rebuild kit was defender item #608878 (
>>> https://search.defender.com/?expression=608878&x=0&y=0).  The grease is
>>> defender item #606875 (
>>> https://search.defender.com/?expression=606875&x=0&y=0).
>>> 
>>> I didn't know when my winches had last been rebuilt, so I replaced
>>> everything.  The rebuild kits will come with some plastic bushings, I
>> used
>>> them.  The kits are for more than the #44 and #30, but 4 of the kits got
>> me
>>> all the springs, pawls, and bushings you'll need.  I had to mix and match
>>> from all 4 kits to get the bushings correct for #44 vs #30, you will have
>>> some parts left over when done from the kits.
>>> 
>>> Now that I know my winch service history, and the type of sailing I do
>> (non
>>> racing, short seasons on Lake Michigan), I plan to service every other
>>> year, replace springs every service, replace pawls every other service
>> (if
>>> visually they look ok when skipping).
>>> 
>>> That tube of grease should last about 3 services.  Over greasing is not
>>> good.
>>> 
>>> My two cents.
>>> 
>>> -Christian
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 9:59 AM Tom Grass <tgrass462 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thank you all for your comments and suggestions.
>>>> 
>>>> Tom Grass
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 6:55 AM Jeff Hare <Catalina at thehares.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> If you're the kind who is prone to dropping things, you can take a box,
>>>>> cut a hole the size of the winch and set it over the winch during your
>>>>> assembly/disassembly.  Improves your chances of not dropping something
>>>>> would roll down the deck and off the boat.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Every.single.thing I drop on board, bounces until it finds the edge of
>>>> the
>>>>> boat and then jumps for freedom.  Doesn't seem to matter what it is.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Jeff
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of
>>>>> Scott Lagerquist
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 12:19 AM
>>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Winch Rebuild
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tom and Tracy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I clean and lubricate the winches every two years.  You can download
>>>>> instructions free from Lewmar.  I recommend one small tube of Lewmar
>>>> winch
>>>>> grease and getting a package of paw springs.  Defender sells these
>>>>> separately or as a kit.  The kit also has machine oil but I use
>> something
>>>>> local like 3-2-1.  You’ll also need a Large container of solvent,rags,
>>>> and
>>>>> an old tooth brush.  Disassemble and soak gears, bearings and other
>> metal
>>>>> parts in solvent.  Clean all old grease and dirt off each part with the
>>>>> toothbrush and wipe clean.  Everything should look new; this takes
>> time.
>>>>> Reassemble with new paw springs and lubricate as directed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Actually, there are several U-Tube videos that show all of this step by
>>>>> step.  Lewmar has a really good one.  Check them out if you haven’t
>>>> already
>>>>> done so.  Good luck.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott Lagerquist
>>>>> C-320, 1994, #39
>>>>> Sea Esta
>>>>> San Diego CA
>>>>> Lgrqst at aol.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 17, 2019, at 8:33 PM, Tom Grass <tgrass462 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am planning on rebuilding our four winches on Bucket List this
>>>> spring.
>>>>>> Our 320 MK II has:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Primaries #44 Lewmar - Two Winches
>>>>>> Halyard #30 Lewmar - Two Winches
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Question - have other 320 owners purchased rebuild kits (Springs,
>>>>>> Pawls,
>>>>>> etc.) - or have you simply removed and cleaned and reinstalled
>>>>> components?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> IF you purchased rebuild kits - did you source them from Defender?
>>>>>> West Marine?  Other?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Appreciate your assistance.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tom & Tracy Grass
>>>>>> Bucket List
>>>>>> 2008 320 MK II
>>>>>> #1135
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>