[C320-list] Furler Woes
SARA SCHROEDER
saras951 at comcast.net
Mon Jun 24 21:30:02 PDT 2019
I just had the same problem with my Schaeffer roller furling. I emailed customer service and they got back to me the next day. I sent photos and a video and "Steve" was able to diagnose the problem and the easy fix. The forward most block was too high and the angle of the furling line was off. He told me to take a yard stick and lay it across the top of the drum. The furling line coming off the drum should be at the same angle as the yardstick. While I had the furling line completely off the drum I poked my nose inside the drum only to discover that two of the screw holding the drum together were backing out. I tightened all of them down, lowered the block on the stanchion to the proper angle and she is furling much better and tighter. Just a thought of something else to look at. And, Schaeffer was awesome to work with!
Sara
Wandering Star
2000/#707
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> 1. Furling Woes (Joe Geiger)
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> 3. Re: Furling Woes (hoopdtwo)
> 4. Re: Furling Woes (Jack Brennan)
> 5. Re: Furling Woes (Jeff Hare)
> 6. Re: Furling Woes (Jeff Hare)
> 7. Re: Furling Woes (Ted Harrison)
> 8. Re: Raytheon ST60 wind anemometer not reading (Rod Boer)
> 9. Re: Furling Woes (Joe Geiger)
> 10. Re: Furling Woes (Dave Hupe)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:39:51 -0400
> From: Joe Geiger <joe.geiger at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Furling Woes
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> This is our first season with our 2000 C320 and also the first boat I?ve owned with a roller furling headsail.
>
> My boat has the Schaeffer 2100 and I find it very difficult to furl it without having any of the sail showing. I?ve tried furling upwind, downwind, on a beam reach but I have only once been able to furl it where The sacrificial fabric covers the entire length of the furled sail. Ironically I did this by myself on the mooring.
>
> My wife has kept tension on the jibsheet when we furl and we got pretty close but there was still a bit of white showing.
>
> Any recommendations on the best way to furl and not show any white from the sail?
>
> Joe
> --
> Joe Geiger
> Vega #722
> Greenwich Cove, RI
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:55:53 -0400
> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Furling Woes
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> Be sure you?re leech lines are loosened and your halyard is tight. If you can, move your jib lead block all the way forward, it helps if there is bit more downward angle to the sheet and put a little more tension on the jib sheet, a fair amount of pressure is required.
>
> Best Regards,
> Chris Burti
> Commitment #867
> Farmville, NC
>
> > On Jun 24, 2019, at 10:39 AM, Joe Geiger <joe.geiger at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is our first season with our 2000 C320 and also the first boat I?ve owned with a roller furling headsail.
> >
> > My boat has the Schaeffer 2100 and I find it very difficult to furl it without having any of the sail showing. I?ve tried furling upwind, downwind, on a beam reach but I have only once been able to furl it where The sacrificial fabric covers the entire length of the furled sail. Ironically I did this by myself on the mooring.
> >
> > My wife has kept tension on the jibsheet when we furl and we got pretty close but there was still a bit of white showing.
> >
> > Any recommendations on the best way to furl and not show any white from the sail?
> >
> > Joe
> > --
> > Joe Geiger
> > Vega #722
> > Greenwich Cove, RI
> >
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 11:51:12 -0400
> From: hoopdtwo <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Furling Woes
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> Maybe you don't? have enough turns of furler line on the furler drum to start with??The drum would stop turning when you try to furl the sail if you have pulled all the line out of the drum.Dave Hupe94 Cat320 (#32)Holland, MISent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Joe Geiger <joe.geiger at gmail.com> Date: 6/24/19 10:39 AM (GMT-05:00) To: C320-List at Catalina320.com Subject: [C320-list] Furling Woes This is our first season with our 2000 C320 and also the first boat I?ve owned with a roller furling headsail. My boat has the Schaeffer 2100 and I find it very difficult to furl it without having any of the sail showing. I?ve tried furling upwind, downwind, on a beam reach but I have only once been able to furl it where The sacrificial fabric covers the entire length of the furled sail. Ironically I did this by myself on the mooring. My wife has kept tension on the jibsheet when we furl and we got pretty close but there was still a bit of white showing.Any recommendations on the best way to furl and not show any white from the sail?Joe--Joe GeigerVega #722Greenwich Cove, RI
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:23:23 -0400
> From: Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
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> Hi Joe:
>
> If I?m understanding you correctly, the problem is with your furling line.
>
> When you roll up the jib, you are taking off the line from the furler. Once you run out of line, you won?t be able to furl the sail any farther. Or, if the line is over-wrapped improperly, you won?t be able to go any farther.
>
> The solution is to remove the line when the sail is totally furled, then re-tie it. Roll the furler five or six times around with the sail still furled. That gives you some leeway when you are furling. I.E., when the sail is totally furled, you?ll still have a couple of feet of line on the furler.
>
> This sometimes happens in big winds. When the jib will be wrapped very tightly. If you have an over-wrap on the furling line, that happens because the angle to the furler is oncorrect or you?re letting the furling line stay too loose.
>
> God luck.
>
> Jack Brennan
> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320, NO. 528
> Tierra Verde, Fl.
> Dolphin Cruising Club of Tampa Bay
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> From: Joe Geiger
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 10:49 AM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Furling Woes
>
> This is our first season with our 2000 C320 and also the first boat I?ve owned with a roller furling headsail.
>
> My boat has the Schaeffer 2100 and I find it very difficult to furl it without having any of the sail showing. I?ve tried furling upwind, downwind, on a beam reach but I have only once been able to furl it where The sacrificial fabric covers the entire length of the furled sail. Ironically I did this by myself on the mooring.
>
> My wife has kept tension on the jibsheet when we furl and we got pretty close but there was still a bit of white showing.
>
> Any recommendations on the best way to furl and not show any white from the sail?
>
> Joe
> --
> Joe Geiger
> Vega #722
> Greenwich Cove, RI
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:28:54 -0400
> From: "Jeff Hare" <Catalina at thehares.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Furling Woes
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> Hi Joe,
>
> The things that come to mind right away are (first off what Dave said below).
>
> 1. Maybe you don't have enough wraps of furling line on the drum.
> 2. If you can't get more line on the drum without it being too full, perhaps the line is incorrectly sized
> 3. The furling line has too much stretch in it. Need a very strong, thin, low stretch line for this application.
> 4. When furling in high wind or with a lot of wind load, the sail will wrap much more tightly and require more turns so you need to allow a minimum of 10 extra turns on the drum to account for a tight wrap and to wrap the genoa lines around 3 or 4 times to secure the sail.
>
> When we furl our sail in heavy wind, we always have a few wraps of genoa line around the sail and then still have a couple wraps left on the drum.
>
> -Jeff
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of hoopdtwo
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 11:51 AM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Furling Woes
>
> Maybe you don't have enough turns of furler line on the furler drum to start with? The drum would stop turning when you try to furl the sail if you have pulled all the line out of the drum.Dave Hupe94 Cat320 (#32)Holland, MISent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Joe Geiger <joe.geiger at gmail.com> Date: 6/24/19 10:39 AM (GMT-05:00) To: C320-List at Catalina320.com Subject: [C320-list] Furling Woes This is our first season with our 2000 C320 and also the first boat I?ve owned with a roller furling headsail. My boat has the Schaeffer 2100 and I find it very difficult to furl it without having any of the sail showing. I?ve tried furling upwind, downwind, on a beam reach but I have only once been able to furl it where The sacrificial fabric covers the entire length of the furled sail. Ironically I did this by myself on the mooring. My wife has kept tension on the jibsheet when we furl and we got pretty close but there was still a bit of white showing.Any recommendations on the best way to furl and not show any white from the sail?Joe--Joe GeigerVega #722Greenwich Cove, RI
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:38:39 -0400
> From: "Jeff Hare" <Catalina at thehares.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Furling Woes
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> Ah.. So, if you're getting the barber pole effect and can furl it all the way in, then Chris is right that your genoa cars may need to be positioned differently.
>
> You didn't say whether you have a 150 or a 135, so it's hard to say where the cars need to be for your sail. If you have the Garhauer line adjustable genoa cars then you can experiment on their placement at the time you furl the sail.
>
> Sorry, I somewhat misunderstood the real problem you were having.
>
> -Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Hare <Catalina at thehares.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 12:29 PM
> To: 'C320-List at Catalina320.com' <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: RE: [C320-list] Furling Woes
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> The things that come to mind right away are (first off what Dave said below).
>
> 1. Maybe you don't have enough wraps of furling line on the drum.
> 2. If you can't get more line on the drum without it being too full, perhaps the line is incorrectly sized 3. The furling line has too much stretch in it. Need a very strong, thin, low stretch line for this application.
> 4. When furling in high wind or with a lot of wind load, the sail will wrap much more tightly and require more turns so you need to allow a minimum of 10 extra turns on the drum to account for a tight wrap and to wrap the genoa lines around 3 or 4 times to secure the sail.
>
> When we furl our sail in heavy wind, we always have a few wraps of genoa line around the sail and then still have a couple wraps left on the drum.
>
> -Jeff
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of hoopdtwo
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 11:51 AM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Furling Woes
>
> Maybe you don't have enough turns of furler line on the furler drum to start with? The drum would stop turning when you try to furl the sail if you have pulled all the line out of the drum.Dave Hupe94 Cat320 (#32)Holland, MISent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Joe Geiger <joe.geiger at gmail.com> Date: 6/24/19 10:39 AM (GMT-05:00) To: C320-List at Catalina320.com Subject: [C320-list] Furling Woes This is our first season with our 2000 C320 and also the first boat I?ve owned with a roller furling headsail. My boat has the Schaeffer 2100 and I find it very difficult to furl it without having any of the sail showing. I?ve tried furling upwind, downwind, on a beam reach but I have only once been able to furl it where The sacrificial fabric covers the entire length of the furled sail. Ironically I did this by myself on the mooring. My wife has kept tension on the jibsheet when we furl and we got pretty close but there was still a bit of white showing.Any recommendations on the best way to furl and not show any white from the sail?Joe--Joe GeigerVega #722Greenwich Cove, RI
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:44:41 -0400
> From: Ted Harrison <tharrison at innovations-plus.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Furling Woes
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> When you let the sail out how much line is on the drum? When you pull the sail in line is taken off the drum. So it sound like you need a few more wraps amount the drum. To get the sail all the way back in. When doing this just take your time and don?t put a half hitch in by accident.
>
> I was also told to let the halyard down just a little. You can try this. Someone told me it was easier on the drum bearings
>
> It also does not take much hold pressure on the jib sheet to make it hard to furl.
>
> Ted Harrison
> Hull 424 1997
>
> > On Jun 24, 2019, at 10:55 AM, Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Be sure you?re leech lines are loosened and your halyard is tight. If you can, move your jib lead block all the way forward, it helps if there is bit more downward angle to the sheet and put a little more tension on the jib sheet, a fair amount of pressure is required.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Chris Burti
> > Commitment #867
> > Farmville, NC
> >
> >> On Jun 24, 2019, at 10:39 AM, Joe Geiger <joe.geiger at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> This is our first season with our 2000 C320 and also the first boat I?ve owned with a roller furling headsail.
> >>
> >> My boat has the Schaeffer 2100 and I find it very difficult to furl it without having any of the sail showing. I?ve tried furling upwind, downwind, on a beam reach but I have only once been able to furl it where The sacrificial fabric covers the entire length of the furled sail. Ironically I did this by myself on the mooring.
> >>
> >> My wife has kept tension on the jibsheet when we furl and we got pretty close but there was still a bit of white showing.
> >>
> >> Any recommendations on the best way to furl and not show any white from the sail?
> >>
> >> Joe
> >> --
> >> Joe Geiger
> >> Vega #722
> >> Greenwich Cove, RI
> >>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 13:52:07 -0400
> From: "Rod Boer" <rod.boer1 at verizon.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Raytheon ST60 wind anemometer not reading
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> I had a problem where I could not get the true wind speed. We finally determined that the Sea Talk in my wind speed instrument was not working. If you are looking for true wind then you also need the boat speed from the forward speed sensor in the bow. I need to replace my wind speed sensor with a current model which requires Sea talk 1 and 2 to operate.
>
> Rod Boer
> Odyssey, #688
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Clark
> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 5:10 AM
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Raytheon ST60 wind anemometer not reading
>
> Does the wind direction work? I?m sure you realise this but the way you wrote your post does leave some doubt so I?ll ask anyway! The rotating cups are what drive the speed, the wind vane reads the direction
>
> The speed is derived from a small magnet on the rotating shaft that creates an electrical pulse every time it rotates (or possibly two pulses if there are two sensors)
>
> There is a method (which may take me a day or two to find!) of simulating that at the back of the instrument by (I think, but need to check so don?t risk it yet unless someone else can confirm) shorting the speed wire (blue?) to ground repeatedly and rapidly to create a pulse But it might be by applying 12v repeatedly! Sorry I can?t be more specific right now
>
> But at least you?d know if it was the instrument itself at fault
>
> Most likely culprit is probably a bad connection somewhere though, unless anemometer cups are seized of course!
>
> The speed and direction (3 wires) share a common earth so if the direction is working it?s probably not an earth wire fault
>
> Graeme
> #366, 1996 ?Jaskar?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 23 Jun 2019, at 04:04, Leonard Hooks <lehooks at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > My wind anemometer has stopped reading and is only showing 00.0.
> > It is a Raytheon ST60 which was working fine. All other instruments working fine.
> > The vane at the top of the mast is turning normal, just not displaying any speed. The display is still working and the repeater inside shows the same result.
> >
> > Where can I start to check?
> >
> > Leonard Hooks
> > Revelation 2001 #856
> > sdg
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 15:35:49 -0400
> From: Joe Geiger <joe.geiger at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Furling Woes
> Message-ID: <363306D8-1E34-40BA-80AD-081B0FDDF218 at gmail.com>
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> Thanks for all the advice.
>
> Jeff is correct that I can't seem to get it to furl without the barber pole effect. I believe the sail is a 150 genoa. I figured positioning the genoa car all the way forward would do the trick but it did not. Then I tried it at several other locations on the genoa car track but did not have much luck? still got the same effect. We were trying to furl it in 20 knots of wind and the leach was flapping like crazy which added to the problem. We tried again when we got back to our mooring so we could focus on just furling. My wife kept downward tension on the clew and we got close but there was still sail showing through. It wrapped it super tight and the sheets didn?t even wrap around once. We let it out and furled it looser and got the proper number of wraps. I think replacing the furling line is a good place to start.
>
> Should the drum still have line on it when fully unfurled or should there still be a few more wraps? Currently there are no wraps around the drum when fully unfurled. Sometimes that makes it hard to release it from the cam cleat.
>
> - Joe
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 24, 2019, at 12:28 PM, Jeff Hare <Catalina at thehares.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Joe,
> >
> > The things that come to mind right away are (first off what Dave said below).
> >
> > 1. Maybe you don't have enough wraps of furling line on the drum.
> > 2. If you can't get more line on the drum without it being too full, perhaps the line is incorrectly sized
> > 3. The furling line has too much stretch in it. Need a very strong, thin, low stretch line for this application.
> > 4. When furling in high wind or with a lot of wind load, the sail will wrap much more tightly and require more turns so you need to allow a minimum of 10 extra turns on the drum to account for a tight wrap and to wrap the genoa lines around 3 or 4 times to secure the sail.
> >
> > When we furl our sail in heavy wind, we always have a few wraps of genoa line around the sail and then still have a couple wraps left on the drum.
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of hoopdtwo
> > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 11:51 AM
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Furling Woes
> >
> > Maybe you don't have enough turns of furler line on the furler drum to start with? The drum would stop turning when you try to furl the sail if you have pulled all the line out of the drum.Dave Hupe94 Cat320 (#32)Holland, MISent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> > -------- Original message --------From: Joe Geiger <joe.geiger at gmail.com> Date: 6/24/19 10:39 AM (GMT-05:00) To: C320-List at Catalina320.com Subject: [C320-list] Furling Woes This is our first season with our 2000 C320 and also the first boat I?ve owned with a roller furling headsail. My boat has the Schaeffer 2100 and I find it very difficult to furl it without having any of the sail showing. I?ve tried furling upwind, downwind, on a beam reach but I have only once been able to furl it where The sacrificial fabric covers the entire length of the furled sail. Ironically I did this by myself on the mooring. My wife has kept tension on the jibsheet when we furl and we got pretty close but there was still a bit of white showing.Any recommendations on the best way to furl and not show any white from the sail?Joe--Joe GeigerVega #722Greenwich Cove, RI
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 19:54:54 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Furling Woes
> Message-ID: <1061270811.1304604.1561406094893 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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> I don't know that you need to replace the furler line.? It definitely sounds instead that you don't have enough wraps still on the drum when your sail is completely out.? Get your sail as far on the furler as you can, unhook the sheets temporarily, turn your sail/furler by hand to get at least several wraps of line pulled onto the drum (Jeff suggested 10), attach your sheets again, and then pull on the furler line to completely wrap the sail on the furler so your sheets wrap around the sail at least a coup[le times.?
> Dave Hupe
> 1994 Cat320 (#32)
> Holland, MI
>
>
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