[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 3553, Issue 2

[Bob Hoyt]

The engine number is KD3024 J 51492X. This means it was built in Japan in
1993 but the serial number 51492 should be 6 numbers and not 5. Perkins
swears it is researching it. I will look into the Volvo option as I need to
consider plan B and C. Thanks for your input

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>    1. Incorrect Perkins Engine Parts (Bob Hoyt)
>    2. Re: Incorrect Perkins Engine Parts (jackbrennan)
>    3. Re: Incorrect Perkins Engine Parts (Bill Carr)
>    4. Re: Vibrations at certain RPM Range (John Meyers)
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> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 10:29:26 -0500
> From: Bob Hoyt <rehoyt at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [C320-list] Incorrect Perkins Engine Parts
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> I posted recently that a busted exhaust elbow rapidly damaged my Perkins
> M30 engine so it was hauled. Oddly enough, the engine serial number seems
> to be lacking two digits and we think it was built in Turkey. When the
> mechanic ordered new rings and valves based on the existing serial number,
> the parts were not correct. Perkins nationally, as well as Transatlantic
> Diesel have been contacted with no help. The original engine insult
> happened May 23rd so this has been a long frustrating evolution.
>
> Does anyone else have a thought? I'm starting to wonder if I need to bite
> the bullet and buy a rebuilt Perkins or Yanmar but I'm not done
> researching.
>
> Bob Hoyt
> Ikigai
> 1994 320 Hull #58
> Pensacola, FL
>
> --
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 16:18:39 +0000 (UTC)
> From: jackbrennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Incorrect Perkins Engine Parts
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> Hi Bob:
> I"ll bet Catalina has manufacturing records that could help you, as long
> as it's the original diesel .
>
> A new or rebuilt engine is a five-figure deal. Ouch. I hope it works out.
>
> Jack Brennan
> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 11:29 AM, Bob Hoyt<rehoyt at gmail.com> wrote:   I
> posted recently that a busted exhaust elbow rapidly damaged my Perkins
> M30 engine so it was hauled. Oddly enough, the engine serial number seems
> to be lacking two digits and we think it was built in Turkey. When the
> mechanic ordered new rings and valves based on the existing serial number,
> the parts were not correct. Perkins nationally, as well as Transatlantic
> Diesel have been contacted with no help. The original engine insult
> happened May 23rd so this has been a long frustrating evolution.
>
> Does anyone else have a thought? I'm starting to wonder if I need to bite
> the bullet and buy a rebuilt Perkins or Yanmar but I'm not done
> researching.
>
> Bob Hoyt
> Ikigai
> 1994 320 Hull #58
> Pensacola, FL
>
> --
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 11:46:43 -0700
> From: Bill Carr <bcarr8239 at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Incorrect Perkins Engine Parts
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> When I had the same problem with my Perkins I opted to replace it with a
> new Volvo they share the same block as the Perkins. This allowed me to keep
> the existing reversing gear and minimized the modifications needed for the
> installation. It is very quiet and produces no smoke with the new
> computerized controls.It did require swapping the oil pan with the
> shallower pan from the old Perkins. The oil pan bolted exactly to the new
> block. It maybe possible other parts are exchangeable as well?
>  Bill Carr
>  Utopia 1994 #31
> Seattle Wa
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 5, 2019, at 9:18 AM, jackbrennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bob:
> > I"ll bet Catalina has manufacturing records that could help you, as long
> as it's the original diesel .
> >
> > A new or rebuilt engine is a five-figure deal. Ouch. I hope it works out.
> >
> > Jack Brennan
> > Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> > Tierra Verde, Fl.
> >
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >  On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 11:29 AM, Bob Hoyt<rehoyt at gmail.com> wrote:   I
> posted recently that a busted exhaust elbow rapidly damaged my Perkins
> > M30 engine so it was hauled. Oddly enough, the engine serial number seems
> > to be lacking two digits and we think it was built in Turkey. When the
> > mechanic ordered new rings and valves based on the existing serial
> number,
> > the parts were not correct. Perkins nationally, as well as Transatlantic
> > Diesel have been contacted with no help. The original engine insult
> > happened May 23rd so this has been a long frustrating evolution.
> >
> > Does anyone else have a thought? I'm starting to wonder if I need to bite
> > the bullet and buy a rebuilt Perkins or Yanmar but I'm not done
> researching.
> >
> > Bob Hoyt
> > Ikigai
> > 1994 320 Hull #58
> > Pensacola, FL
> >
> > --
> >
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 15:17:28 -0400
> From: John Meyers <jcmeyers7 at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Vibrations at certain RPM Range
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> LESSONS LEARNED.
>
> As a follow up to my earlier post .... I finally discovered and had
> corrected the problem with clatter type noise on the boat in a certain
> range of RPMs in both in-gear and neutral which made me think that it was
> not an alignment problem.
>
> Thanks to all who contributed to possible causes and solutions. There were
> suggestions that the motor mounts were the problem. I had stated that my
> motor mounts still had lots of room between the motor and hull sides of the
> mounts.
>
> Since then I had noticed that on the starboard aft mount the lock washer
> was "sprung" so I tightened up the nut and still had the noise. I had a
> couple of mechanics listen to the noise and they both said I had a valve
> lifter problem. So, yesterday as I was prepping the boat for the "valve
> job" by removing the wood part of the bulkhead above the engine (an easy
> thing to do, BTW) I noticed that the engine part of the mount that I had
> tightened was much lower than the others.  I had already arranged for the
> mechanic to also do an alignment and told him what I discovered and
> suspected that when the upper nut on the mount was loose that the lower nut
> worked itself down before I tightened the upper nut.  When he removed the
> four bolts connecting the engine shaft to the propeller shaft the engine
> DROPPED a significant amount (maybe a quarter inch). He then corrected that
> level of that engine side mount. He then found that the alignment was
> correct after that.  I started the engine and NO NOISE like before at all
> RPMs that I use. YIPPEE!!!. He then did the valve lifter adjustment (one of
> the six was too tight, one was okay, and the other four were in need of
> adjustment which also made the engine quieter. BTW, the whole valve job
> took him much less that an hour.
>
> Lessons Learned.....
> Every time I check the oil I WILL check the nuts on top of the engine
> mounts.
> If the any of the nuts are loose I WILL have the shaft aligned ASAP.
>
> Thanks to all who responded and thanks AGAIN for this forum.
>
> John Meyers
> Wind Chime #406
> Muskegon, MI
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 9:03 AM <sail-ability at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > I have one. What are U willing to pay+shipping.
> > JohnM
> > 1999#574
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Aug 12, 2019, at 8:34 AM, kskis at aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > As I responded recently, my "whining" or "singing" between 1800 and
> 2500
> > rpms in forward gear only, could be a prop issue.  I have read that some
> > prop people are familiar with creating an "anti singing edge-a chamfering
> > of the trailing edge, typically on the suction side..." (ref:HydroComp,
> > Inc.).   If a prop issue, this could be determined by replacing the prop
> > with a "working" 3-blade prop from another C320.  Wondering if anyone can
> > direct me to a fixed 3-blade 9x15RH prop for sale?  Or any other
> > suggestion?  Thanks.  Neil Kornblatt Harmony #973
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Meyers <jcmeyers7 at gmail.com>
> > > To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> > > Sent: Tue, Aug 6, 2019 10:38 am
> > > Subject: [C320-list] Vibrations at certain RPM Range
> > >
> > > Starting about 3 weeks ago the boat is making a loud racket when the
> > engine
> > > is revving between 1500 and 2000 rpm. mostly in the rear of the boat
> but
> > I
> > > cannot pinpoint the source. This occurs both in gear and in neutral so
> > not
> > > suspecting shaft alignment. I suspect that it is some harmonic thing.
> All
> > > motor mounts look good and solid and well attached with over a quarter
> > inch
> > > between the metal parts. I have check both feeling and/or removed just
> > > about every thing in the lockers like spare prop, spare anchor, propane
> > > tank, and other items that might be shaking while the noise is
> > occurring. I
> > > have felt the fuel tank and engine and nothing feels different than
> when
> > > the noise is not noticeable. I have even gone below the boat and felt
> the
> > > shaft prop cutlass, rudder and all seem solid. The shaft and cutlass
> > > bearing were replaced a couple years ago. I have checked the steering
> > > mechanism.
> > >
> > > To explain the noise/clatter it sounds like a loose hatch, door, or
> > > equipment is shaking.
> > >
> > > At low revs and higher revs the noise is not there.
> > >
> > > Has anyone ever had this problem or know someone that has/had this
> > problem?
> > >
> > > Thanks for all your help in past, present, and future. I rely on the
> > > questions and answers this list provides.
> > >
> > > John Meyers
> > > Wind Chime 1997 #406
> > > Muskegon, MI
> >
>
>
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*Robert (Bob) Hoyt MD, FACP, ABPM-CI*

*Associate Clinical Professor, Department of Internal Medicine*

*Virginia Commonwealth University*

*Richmond, VA*


*CAPT (Ret) USN*

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*University of Nebraska Medical Center*

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