[C320-list] Chesapeake Havre De Grace

Sun Apr 18 17:29:46 PDT 2021

Thank you all for the comments.  Great video.  Anchored in/around Solomons Island.  Hope to make Havre De Grace next couple of days.
So many places to see/stop.  Deep water.  NC is very shallow.
See you on the water.

Thanks,

Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.net C (919)- 819-9794

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  1. Re: Chesapeake  Havre De Grace (Gary Gillespie)
  2. Re: Chesapeake  Havre De Grace (KEN GEIGER)
  3. Re: Chesapeake Havre De Grace (Troy Dunn)
  4. Re: Chesapeake Havre De Grace (Troy Dunn)
  5. Re: Diesel boat heater installation (RONALD HODEL)
  6. Re: Chesapeake  Havre De Grace (ptormey at 4square.net)
  7. Re: Chesapeake  Havre De Grace (Doug Treff)
  8. Re: Emergency tiller cover (Doug Treff)
  9. Re: Diesel boat heater installation (Graeme Clark)
  10. Re: Diesel boat heater installation (Graeme Clark)
  11. Re: Chesapeake Havre De Grace (Allan Field)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:58:12 -0400
From: Gary Gillespie <g.gill44 at gmail.com>
To: C320-List at catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Chesapeake  Havre De Grace
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Scott,

If I picture your current location correctly, you are in a beautiful spot.

Havre de Grace: Haver d grace

Best regards,

Gary Gillespie 

> On Apr 17, 2021, at 12:59 PM, Scott Westwood <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> For those of you who may be local to the Chesapeake, how do you pronounce the town of Havre De Grace?
> We hope to get close enough to visit.  Currently just north of Deltaville, up the Wicomico anchored at Sandy Point.  Headed North.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.net C (919)- 819-9794

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:27:51 +0000 (UTC)
From: KEN GEIGER <kendgb at aol.com>
To: "g.gill44 at gmail.com" <g.gill44 at gmail.com>,
    "C320-List at catalina320.com" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Chesapeake  Havre De Grace
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Havre de Grace

Quick facts
 Havre de Grace, abbreviated HdG, is a city in Harford County, Maryland, United States, situated at the mouth of the Susquehanna River and the head of Chesapeake Bay. It is named after the port city of Le Havre, France, which in full was once Le Havre de Gr?ce.Wikipedia 
 Ken Geiger? 

Northern Dream#765 2000

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From: Gary Gillespie <g.gill44 at gmail.com>
To: C320-List at catalina320.com
Sent: Sat, Apr 17, 2021 4:58 pm
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Chesapeake Havre De Grace

Scott,

If I picture your current location correctly, you are in a beautiful spot.

Havre de Grace: Haver d grace

Best regards,

Gary Gillespie 

> On Apr 17, 2021, at 12:59 PM, Scott Westwood <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> For those of you who may be local to the Chesapeake, how do you pronounce the town of Havre De Grace?
> We hope to get close enough to visit.? Currently just north of Deltaville, up the Wicomico anchored at Sandy Point.? Headed North.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.net C (919)- 819-9794

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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 18:46:17 -0400
From: Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com>
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The locals pronounce it Havy (like Savvy) De Grace in a bit of a sing song
fashion.  Most of the ?dutch navy' (PA residents that keep their boats at
the top of the bay) pronounce it Hava De Grace (like guava).

We just moved our boat to Rock Hall today.  Way easier to pronounce.

Regards

Troy Dunn
Hull #514

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 2:18 PM Scott Westwood <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net>
wrote:

> For those of you who may be local to the Chesapeake, how do you pronounce
> the town of Havre De Grace?
> We hope to get close enough to visit.  Currently just north of Deltaville,
> up the Wicomico anchored at Sandy Point.  Headed North.
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.net C (919)- 819-9794
>

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Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 18:46:17 -0400
From: Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com>
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The locals pronounce it Havy (like Savvy) De Grace in a bit of a sing song
fashion.  Most of the ?dutch navy' (PA residents that keep their boats at
the top of the bay) pronounce it Hava De Grace (like guava).

We just moved our boat to Rock Hall today.  Way easier to pronounce.

Regards

Troy Dunn
Hull #514

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 2:18 PM Scott Westwood <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net>
wrote:

> For those of you who may be local to the Chesapeake, how do you pronounce
> the town of Havre De Grace?
> We hope to get close enough to visit.  Currently just north of Deltaville,
> up the Wicomico anchored at Sandy Point.  Headed North.
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.net C (919)- 819-9794
>

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 05:20:48 -0700
From: RONALD HODEL <ronandgail2 at me.com>
To: C320-List at catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Diesel boat heater installation
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I installed an Espar hydronic heater in the aft port locker as well. The tubing runs forward to the hot water heater (I don?t use the engine to heat my hot water anymore), through the hot water heater into the main cabin and then under the floor to the aft cabin where it?s looped in the hanging locker (now shelves) and a smaller radiator vents warm air into the aft cabin as well. This setup has worked well for all the time we?ve owned the boat. 

I put pictures up on my owners album. I don?t know how to do sub-pages to the heater pictures are on the third page of my album, the last 5 photos.

Ron Hodel
#1070 Lokomaikai 

Sent from my iPad

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 09:02:28 -0400
From: <ptormey at 4square.net>
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Subject: Re: [C320-list] Chesapeake  Havre De Grace
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Havre De Grace was the site of the Navy's Nuclear power school, the 'wave"
boot camp and Naval Academy Prep School (NAPS) back when I was a midshipmen.
Base is closed now.

Pretty little town, small marina if I recall.

Pat

Pat Tormey
S/V Blue Skies
Newport RI

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 09:52:13 -0400
From: "Doug Treff" <doug at treff.us>
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Subject: Re: [C320-list] Chesapeake  Havre De Grace
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This is the easiest way to learn it:
https://youtu.be/3LW4GIh2_vo?t=93

--
Doug Treff
doug at treff.us

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021, at 12:59 PM, Scott Westwood wrote:
> For those of you who may be local to the Chesapeake, how do you 
> pronounce the town of Havre De Grace?
> We hope to get close enough to visit.? Currently just north of 
> Deltaville, up the Wicomico anchored at Sandy Point.? Headed North.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Scott Westwood?scottwestwood at bellsouth.net C (919)- 819-9794
> 

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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 09:58:49 -0400
From: "Doug Treff" <doug at treff.us>
To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Emergency tiller cover
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Yes, I purchased mine at West Marine.  It must have been the same exact brand, even the screw holes lined up.

--
Doug Treff
doug at treff.us

On Sat, Apr 17, 2021, at 3:39 PM, Scott Thompson wrote:
> Thanks all. The same item is much less expensive at other sites. See 
> for 
> example: 
> https://shop.hamiltonmarine.com/products/deck-plate-6-00-polycarb-white-locking-center-2382.html 
> <https://shop.hamiltonmarine.com/products/deck-plate-6-00-polycarb-white-locking-center-2382.html>
> 
> 

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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 17:02:22 +0100
From: Graeme Clark <cg at skyflyer.co.uk>
To: C320-List at catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Diesel boat heater installation
Message-ID: <67E9DB6F-414F-482A-A546-C408ECC5097F at skyflyer.co.uk>
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I have had two C320s with Diesel heaters although in both cases installed prior to me becoming involved

First one (Mikuni) was installed on inside of transom directly behind the rudder quadrant. Bad idea! Very difficult to access for maintenance etc

Second one (Eberspacher, on my current boat) is also on inside of transom but moved to the port side so it is easy to get at if you stand in the aft port locker.

The ducting routed from there across to the shelf where the fridge compressor sits, down to the bottom of the hull and then in-between the gap between liner and full, effectively under your feet if you are sleeping in the aft bunk. At that point there?s a Y junction (accessible by lifting the stowage space cover board at foot of bunk) and one arm discharges in aft cabin and other routes under fridge, cooker etc to discharge under chart table into main cabin

Both systems failed to adequately heat the v-berth cabin!

I can?t speak for other makes but one of the issues with the Mikuni and Eber is that the thermostat is at the air inlet, because they are designed to recirculate air  in (for example) truck cabs.

Being situated outside the cabin means that the heater always draws fresh cold air so ?thinks? the desired temperature  hasn?t been achieved and continues to belt out max heat no matter what you set the cabin controller to!

For the Eber there is a mod that per is a remote temp sensor (in the aft cabin). Another less satisfactory workaround is to open the hatch in the aft cabin to allow the heated air into the locker space that is feeding the heater.

In the UK the Eberspachers cost upwards of $1000.  There are now Russian and Chinese equivalents closer to $100. My son got one for his camper van and it?s excellent all the safety features still work (overheat auto shutdown etc)

One other think to think about is ducting.  Flexible aluminium duct is great but easily crushes if you step on it accidentally. Stronger semi rigid plastic ducting is an alternative but tends to give off an unpleasant ?hot plastic (reminiscent of burning electrics? smell!

Best advice on installing these is don?t skimp on the wire gauge when wiring up. On start up they draw a hefty 25A or so to heat the glow plug. If your batteries aren?t new and/or fully charged that can drag the voltage down quite a bit.  With thinner wiring the voltage loss in the cabling can mean an even lower voltage at the heater itself and it will auto shutdown - or not fire up, at least.

I don?t know if Eberspacher brand heaters are available or popular in the US but if so I can give you a link to a really excellent site for everything you ever needed to know and how to diagnose problems.

Hope this helps

Graeme
UK
#366, 1996

Sent from my iPad

> On 18 Apr 2021, at 13:21, RONALD HODEL <ronandgail2 at me.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I installed an Espar hydronic heater in the aft port locker as well. The tubing runs forward to the hot water heater (I don?t use the engine to heat my hot water anymore), through the hot water heater into the main cabin and then under the floor to the aft cabin where it?s looped in the hanging locker (now shelves) and a smaller radiator vents warm air into the aft cabin as well. This setup has worked well for all the time we?ve owned the boat. 
> 
> I put pictures up on my owners album. I don?t know how to do sub-pages to the heater pictures are on the third page of my album, the last 5 photos.
> 
> Ron Hodel
> #1070 Lokomaikai 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 

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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 17:07:43 +0100
From: Graeme Clark <cg at skyflyer.co.uk>
To: C320-List at catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Diesel boat heater installation
Message-ID: <26888042-63C2-4C1D-962C-404766204D7F at skyflyer.co.uk>
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Forgot the link!

Don?t be put off by the fact that his main business is selling varnish. What this guy doesn?t know about Diesel heaters isn?t worth knowing!

https://www.letonkinoisvarnish.co.uk/eberspacher_intro_1.html

Graeme

Sent from my iPad

> On 18 Apr 2021, at 17:02, Graeme Clark <cg at skyflyer.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I have had two C320s with Diesel heaters although in both cases installed prior to me becoming involved
> 
> First one (Mikuni) was installed on inside of transom directly behind the rudder quadrant. Bad idea! Very difficult to access for maintenance etc
> 
> Second one (Eberspacher, on my current boat) is also on inside of transom but moved to the port side so it is easy to get at if you stand in the aft port locker.
> 
> The ducting routed from there across to the shelf where the fridge compressor sits, down to the bottom of the hull and then in-between the gap between liner and full, effectively under your feet if you are sleeping in the aft bunk. At that point there?s a Y junction (accessible by lifting the stowage space cover board at foot of bunk) and one arm discharges in aft cabin and other routes under fridge, cooker etc to discharge under chart table into main cabin
> 
> Both systems failed to adequately heat the v-berth cabin!
> 
> I can?t speak for other makes but one of the issues with the Mikuni and Eber is that the thermostat is at the air inlet, because they are designed to recirculate air  in (for example) truck cabs.
> 
> Being situated outside the cabin means that the heater always draws fresh cold air so ?thinks? the desired temperature  hasn?t been achieved and continues to belt out max heat no matter what you set the cabin controller to!
> 
> For the Eber there is a mod that per is a remote temp sensor (in the aft cabin). Another less satisfactory workaround is to open the hatch in the aft cabin to allow the heated air into the locker space that is feeding the heater.
> 
> In the UK the Eberspachers cost upwards of $1000.  There are now Russian and Chinese equivalents closer to $100. My son got one for his camper van and it?s excellent all the safety features still work (overheat auto shutdown etc)
> 
> One other think to think about is ducting.  Flexible aluminium duct is great but easily crushes if you step on it accidentally. Stronger semi rigid plastic ducting is an alternative but tends to give off an unpleasant ?hot plastic (reminiscent of burning electrics? smell!
> 
> Best advice on installing these is don?t skimp on the wire gauge when wiring up. On start up they draw a hefty 25A or so to heat the glow plug. If your batteries aren?t new and/or fully charged that can drag the voltage down quite a bit.  With thinner wiring the voltage loss in the cabling can mean an even lower voltage at the heater itself and it will auto shutdown - or not fire up, at least.
> 
> I don?t know if Eberspacher brand heaters are available or popular in the US but if so I can give you a link to a really excellent site for everything you ever needed to know and how to diagnose problems.
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Graeme
> UK
> #366, 1996
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 18 Apr 2021, at 13:21, RONALD HODEL <ronandgail2 at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I installed an Espar hydronic heater in the aft port locker as well. The tubing runs forward to the hot water heater (I don?t use the engine to heat my hot water anymore), through the hot water heater into the main cabin and then under the floor to the aft cabin where it?s looped in the hanging locker (now shelves) and a smaller radiator vents warm air into the aft cabin as well. This setup has worked well for all the time we?ve owned the boat. 
>> 
>> I put pictures up on my owners album. I don?t know how to do sub-pages to the heater pictures are on the third page of my album, the last 5 photos.
>> 
>> Ron Hodel
>> #1070 Lokomaikai 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 

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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 12:58:20 -0400
From: Allan Field <allanfield47 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [C320-list] Chesapeake Havre De Grace
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Pat - All of these Navy references you site were located at Bainbridge
Naval Training Center on the north side of the Susquehanna River, close to
Port Deposit. Bainbridge is in Cecil County, MD while Havre de Grace is in
Harford County on the south side of the River. The base closed in the
mid-70's. Bainbridge also was a boot camp for men. Bainbridge at one point
trained corpsmen although I went to Great Lakes for boot camp and corps
school in 1967. My first duty station was US Naval Hospital Annapolis where
I first learned to sail and have been doing so ever since!

Allan S. Field
Sea Shadow - C387, #103 (formerly C320, #808)
Columbia, MD
ex-HM2 USN, 1967-1973

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 9:02 AM <ptormey at 4square.net> wrote:

> Havre De Grace was the site of the Navy's Nuclear power school, the 'wave"
> boot camp and Naval Academy Prep School (NAPS) back when I was a
> midshipmen.
> Base is closed now.
>
>
> Pretty little town, small marina if I recall.
>
>
> Pat
>
> Pat Tormey
> S/V Blue Skies
> Newport RI
>
>

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