[C320-list] Another Perkins M30 Overheating Help Thread

[Bruce Heyman]

Hi Paul,
That is why I was asking if the water heater was heating up the water.   If the water is NOT circulating well then the water heater will not heat up the water.   The fresh water pump does have an impeller but not like the one in the raw water pump.   Not sure how it would fail.   I have hear of there being an air bubble which can form when you change out the water heater.   The fresh water pump would probably not prime if it was in air.
Bruce

Bruce Heyman
Somerset #671   San Pedro (LA) California
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From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of Paul Hetherington via C320-list
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2023 7:27 PM
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Cc: Paul Hetherington <paul at heth.ca>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Another Perkins M30 Overheating Help Thread

Some good thoughts here. Thanks to all.  Will be trying a few things.

One thing that has come up, how would we best confirm the non-raw (so
fresh) water pump is working well?  There is no impeller that I know of, so not entirely sure how the water is 'pushed' around the circuit. It would stand to reason that if this water isn't moving well then the cooling transfer won't be efficient and the temp would rise.  I'm just not sure how to best test this.

Cheers.

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Paul Hetherington
Hull 155, 1994 Seasun.


On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 1:08 PM Dan Winsor via C320-list < c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:

> Here's my two cents worth...
> If the engine can't transfer its heat to the raw water then the raw 
> water would be cold when it enters the exhaust elbow. If that's the 
> case then swap out your new water pump. I don't believe in coincidences like that.
> Dan Winsor
> Lucky Devil #109
>
> On Mon, May 29, 2023, 15:41 P.F. Ross via C320-list < 
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > Your experience sounds very much like mine.  I run at 190 at 2700 
> > rpm cruise (I have an Autoprop) and have done all the things you 
> > have, except for doing the temp testing with a non contact 
> > thermometer.  It has been this way for many years and over those 
> > same many years replacing the temp sender has been on my list.  I 
> > figure it is the only thing I have not
> done.
> >
> > I watch the temp gauge like a hawk, but it has always held steady at 
> > 190 except for once when I sucked a plastic bag into the raw water intake.
> So
> > at least I know my temp gauge moves!
> >
> > Frank Ross
> > Beta Wave #206
> > Naples, FL  34102
> >
> > On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 2:26 PM Dave Hupe via C320-list < 
> > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > https://www.parts4engines.com/perkins-perama-m30-water-pump/
> > > This would be the engine water pump.
> > > Dave Hupe
> > > 1994 C320 #32
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> > >
> > >   On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 3:02 PM, Paul Hetherington via C320-list<
> > > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:   Yes our M30 is running hot.
> > > 2500 rpm = 190, much over that and it pushes over 200.  Haven't 
> > > had the guts to push it right into triggering the overheating 
> > > alarm (203? - not totally sure it's functioning).  But we
> > used
> > > to be able to run at 2700 with no overheating (185-190) and now it
> heats
> > up
> > > very quickly.
> > >
> > > I am pretty sure I have read all the previous threads and tried 
> > > many of
> > the
> > > suggestions but we are still stuck, so posting our detailed 
> > > approach is only to clarify it to myself, but hoping to get some 
> > > insight/ideas from your experience.
> > >
> > > Here is what we have tried:
> > >
> > >   - Checked the raw water intake and all was clear.
> > >   - Removed hose between seacock and water filter and confirmed 
> > > good
> > water
> > >   intake flow through seacock
> > >   - Diver conformed no obstruction from below at the entrance of the
> > >   seakcock
> > >   - Topped up the coolant
> > >   - Replaced the impeller
> > >   - Replaced the thermostat (Even though the old thermostat was working
> > >   fine when I tested both of them in boiling water)
> > >   - Took out the heat changer and cleaned in a bath of muriatic acid.
> It
> > >   was then very clear.  It was not that clogged up to begin with though
> > >   - Replaced the exhaust elbow (after ordering one with current
> > downstream
> > >   tube diameter)
> > >   - Replaced the raw water hoses between the intake seacock, 
> > > between
> the
> > >   raw water filter and the water pump with new reinforced hoses to 
> > > make sure
> > >   that they are not collapsing
> > >   - Kept testing the engine in forward gear, tied to the dock, and
> > >   measured temperature with heat gun all over engine block, to 
> > > confirm
> it
> > >   wasn't a gauge issue.
> > >   - When engine was ran at 2500 rpm or higher, measuring temperatures
> > >   between 195 and 200 around the coolant pump
> > >   - Always seemed to have good water flow coming out of the boat
> > >
> > > Right around the time we started to have overheating issues two 
> > > other events happened that may or may not be related.  We switch 
> > > from a tired
> > and
> > > chipped 2 blade prop to a 3 blade Campbell Sailer prop AND the 
> > > water
> pump
> > > was leaking so we replaced it with this one from parts4engines:
> > > https://www.parts4engines.com/perkins-perama-m30-raw-water-pump/
> > >
> > > Any help is appreciated.
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > > Paul Hetherington
> > > Hull 155, 1994 C320
> > >
> > >
> >
>