[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4632, Issue 2
ptormey 4square.net
ptormey at 4square.net
Sun Apr 21 14:21:36 PDT 2024
Actually, on my boat the galley GCFI takes out the port side and the one in the head takes out the starboard side.
I suspect that it 'monitors' all outlets on it's same circuit and trips everything down streams (so to speak).
Pat
Pat Tormey
s/v Blues Skies
Newport RI
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@Dave and Frank. Would a tripped GCFI outlet result in no AC current at the main cabin panel? I had thought that it only shut down the local outlet.
I'll be sure to check those tomorrow.
Bob
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 07:12:54 -0500
> From: "P.F. Ross" <pfrstl at gmail.com>
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> Scott, good thought regarding GFCI outlets.
>
> My boat came from the factory with GFCI outlets where you describe
> them, so seems like standard configuration, at least on early boats.
>
> Frank Ross
> Beta Wave #206
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 6:32?AM Scott Westwood via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> > Shore Power: I had the same problem.PO installed (2) GCFI Outlets.
> > One located on the port shelf above the chart table (hidden by a speaker).
> > Second one was inside the forward-most cabinet, above the stove.
> > Did not read every reply but maybe look around for hidden gcfi outlets?
> >
> > Sorry if duplicate reply.
> > Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:09:28 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, "P.F. Ross via C320-list"
> <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>, C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4631, Issue 2
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> I discovered the issue of a tripped GFCI a long time ago when I had no
> power at a? remote outlet. So, find all your outlets and check for one
> that may have tripped.
> This is a good discussion to remind me about this.
>
> Dave Hupe?
> 1994? C320 #32
>
> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 8:14 AM, P.F. Ross via C320-list<
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Scott, good thought regarding
> GFCI outlets.
>
> My boat came from the factory with GFCI outlets where you describe
> them, so seems like standard configuration, at least on early boats.
>
> Frank Ross
> Beta Wave #206
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 6:32?AM Scott Westwood via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> > Shore Power: I had the same problem.PO installed (2) GCFI Outlets.
> > One located on the port shelf above the chart table (hidden by a speaker).
> > Second one was inside the forward-most cabinet, above the stove.?
> > Did not read every reply but maybe look around for hidden gcfi outlets?
> >
> > Sorry if duplicate reply.
> > Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:09:28 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, "P.F. Ross via C320-list"
> <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>, C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4631, Issue 2
> Message-ID: <1154058506.1828337.1713704968149 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I discovered the issue of a tripped GFCI a long time ago when I had no
> power at a? remote outlet. So, find all your outlets and check for one
> that may have tripped.
> This is a good discussion to remind me about this.
>
> Dave Hupe?
> 1994? C320 #32
>
> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 8:14 AM, P.F. Ross via C320-list<
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Scott, good thought regarding
> GFCI outlets.
>
> My boat came from the factory with GFCI outlets where you describe
> them, so seems like standard configuration, at least on early boats.
>
> Frank Ross
> Beta Wave #206
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 6:32?AM Scott Westwood via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> > Shore Power: I had the same problem.PO installed (2) GCFI Outlets.
> > One located on the port shelf above the chart table (hidden by a speaker).
> > Second one was inside the forward-most cabinet, above the stove.?
> > Did not read every reply but maybe look around for hidden gcfi outlets?
> >
> > Sorry if duplicate reply.
> > Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 14:13:31 +0000 (UTC)
> From: KEN GEIGER <kendgb at aol.com>
> To: Dennis Cookson <dennis at cooksons.net>, "C320-List at catalina320.com"
> <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Cc: Steven Snyder via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Does your bilge pump suck
> Message-ID: <16283003.994363.1713708811810 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Regards an anti return valve, do not know for sure but I think not.?
> Recall flow back when pump shuts off.
> Ken? Geiger #765 2000
>
> Sent from AOL on Android
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 7:26 a.m., Dennis Cookson<dennis at cooksons.net>
> wrote: Thanks Ken. I see that the 37202-2012 is available here in the
> UK.? Oddly, its spec is inferior to the ParMax4, with a flow rate of
> 13L/min compared to 16L/min, and self prime to 2m instead of 2.5m for
> the ParMax4. But I guess it?s a more reliable and proven design.?
> Quick question - do you have a non-return valve fitted to the inlet
> hose at the bilge?? I don?t and it is not mentioned in the
> installation instructions, but it would clearly help to keep the system primed.
>
> Dennis Cookson
> ?Catalina?? #0577
>
> > On 20 Apr 2024, at 21:44, KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe my post was confusing.? The original pump 27202-0000 is
> discontinued.? One might still find it in NOS.? BUT why buy a 20 year
> old design and worst case 30 yr old rubber when one can buy the modern
> replacement.? And why not buy the original replacement instead of
> reinventing the wheel.
> > Ken Geiger#765
> >
> > Sent from AOL on Android
> >
> >? On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 3:51 p.m., Steven Snyder via C320-list<
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:? Both Hodges Marine & Defender
> have the 37202-2012 in stock. Neither
> > indicates it is discontinued. The 37202-2024 is the 24 volt version.
> >
> > Steve Snyder
> > Windcatcher, Hull # 1101
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 1:11?PM KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
> > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> >>? The original design 37202-0000 is out of production.? You might
> >>find
> New
> >> Old Stock somewhere in USA,? there is a new replacement part
> >> 37202-2012.? ? Just google it.? Or rebuild your old pump easily
> >> with a
> Kit
> >> as I did.? google it.? Buy Jabsco 37202-2012 Heavy Duty Shower &
> >> Bilge Pump in Canada Binnacle.com,? looks like there is now a
> >> 7320-2-2024 new model
> >>
> >> |
> >> |
> >> Jabsco 37202-2012 Heavy Duty Shower & Bilge Pump 12 Volt ? |
> >>
> >>? |
> >>
> >> Ken Geiger
> >> #765
> >>
> >>? ? On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:45:13 p.m. EDT, Dennis Cookson
> >>via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>? Thanks for this, Troy. I can find something like this in the UK,
> >>but
> it?s
> >> ?300 for an old design. Hoping I can find something equally
> >> efficient
> for
> >> less, perhaps one of the Rule or Whale models.
> >>
> >> Dennis Cookson
> >> ?Catalina? 0577
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 19 Apr 2024, at 01:38, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This is the proper pump.? Exact replacement for the OE pump.
> >>>
> >>> Jabsco 37202-0000 12V Light Duty Bilge Pump https://a.co/d/5db8vQX
> >>>
> >>> If you have a parmax pump it might work I guess, but it will not
> >>> work
> >> well and certainly not if you have a significant leak.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> Troy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 14:13:31 +0000 (UTC)
> From: KEN GEIGER <kendgb at aol.com>
> To: Dennis Cookson <dennis at cooksons.net>, "C320-List at catalina320.com"
> <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Cc: Steven Snyder via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Does your bilge pump suck
> Message-ID: <16283003.994363.1713708811810 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Regards an anti return valve, do not know for sure but I think not.?
> Recall flow back when pump shuts off.
> Ken? Geiger #765 2000
>
> Sent from AOL on Android
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 7:26 a.m., Dennis Cookson<dennis at cooksons.net>
> wrote: Thanks Ken. I see that the 37202-2012 is available here in the
> UK.? Oddly, its spec is inferior to the ParMax4, with a flow rate of
> 13L/min compared to 16L/min, and self prime to 2m instead of 2.5m for
> the ParMax4. But I guess it?s a more reliable and proven design.?
> Quick question - do you have a non-return valve fitted to the inlet
> hose at the bilge?? I don?t and it is not mentioned in the
> installation instructions, but it would clearly help to keep the system primed.
>
> Dennis Cookson
> ?Catalina?? #0577
>
> > On 20 Apr 2024, at 21:44, KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe my post was confusing.? The original pump 27202-0000 is
> discontinued.? One might still find it in NOS.? BUT why buy a 20 year
> old design and worst case 30 yr old rubber when one can buy the modern
> replacement.? And why not buy the original replacement instead of
> reinventing the wheel.
> > Ken Geiger#765
> >
> > Sent from AOL on Android
> >
> >? On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 3:51 p.m., Steven Snyder via C320-list<
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:? Both Hodges Marine & Defender
> have the 37202-2012 in stock. Neither
> > indicates it is discontinued. The 37202-2024 is the 24 volt version.
> >
> > Steve Snyder
> > Windcatcher, Hull # 1101
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 1:11?PM KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
> > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> >>? The original design 37202-0000 is out of production.? You might
> >>find
> New
> >> Old Stock somewhere in USA,? there is a new replacement part
> >> 37202-2012.? ? Just google it.? Or rebuild your old pump easily
> >> with a
> Kit
> >> as I did.? google it.? Buy Jabsco 37202-2012 Heavy Duty Shower &
> >> Bilge Pump in Canada Binnacle.com,? looks like there is now a
> >> 7320-2-2024 new model
> >>
> >> |
> >> |
> >> Jabsco 37202-2012 Heavy Duty Shower & Bilge Pump 12 Volt ? |
> >>
> >>? |
> >>
> >> Ken Geiger
> >> #765
> >>
> >>? ? On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:45:13 p.m. EDT, Dennis Cookson
> >>via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>? Thanks for this, Troy. I can find something like this in the UK,
> >>but
> it?s
> >> ?300 for an old design. Hoping I can find something equally
> >> efficient
> for
> >> less, perhaps one of the Rule or Whale models.
> >>
> >> Dennis Cookson
> >> ?Catalina? 0577
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 19 Apr 2024, at 01:38, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This is the proper pump.? Exact replacement for the OE pump.
> >>>
> >>> Jabsco 37202-0000 12V Light Duty Bilge Pump https://a.co/d/5db8vQX
> >>>
> >>> If you have a parmax pump it might work I guess, but it will not
> >>> work
> >> well and certainly not if you have a significant leak.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> Troy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:40:24 -0400
> From: --Bill <ackermwi at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4631, Issue 2
> Message-ID: <3542CF7E-EF60-489A-B90F-6C8E1353B2C0 at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I would recommend using a non-contact voltage detector (such as a NCV
> pen) to try to isolate the problem location. Example:
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099SJ6469?psc=1&ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_ct_0XB57K
> 01T2J214D5615W&language=en_US Using this you can see where the AC
> voltage stops. This should narrow down the problem location. The AC
> cable might be covered with hard plastic cable protection up to the
> main panel so you might need to open some of this to get an accurate
> detection depending on the sensitivity of your NCV tool.
> I would definitely check after main inlet switch and both sides of
> the panel breaker. If that is all good then GFCIs.
> ?Bill Ackerman
>
> > On Apr 21, 2024, at 9:11?AM, Dave Hupe via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?I discovered the issue of a tripped GFCI a long time ago when I had
> > no
> power at a remote outlet. So, find all your outlets and check for one
> that may have tripped.
> > This is a good discussion to remind me about this.
> >
> > Dave Hupe
> > 1994 C320 #32
> >
> > Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 8:14 AM, P.F. Ross via C320-list<
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Scott, good thought regarding
> GFCI outlets.
> >
> > My boat came from the factory with GFCI outlets where you describe
> > them,
> so
> > seems like standard configuration, at least on early boats.
> >
> > Frank Ross
> > Beta Wave #206
> >
> >> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 6:32?AM Scott Westwood via C320-list <
> >> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Shore Power: I had the same problem.PO installed (2) GCFI Outlets.
> >> One located on the port shelf above the chart table (hidden by a speaker).
> >> Second one was inside the forward-most cabinet, above the stove.
> >> Did
> not
> >> read every reply but maybe look around for hidden gcfi outlets?
> >>
> >> Sorry if duplicate reply.
> >> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 14:11:05 -0400
> From: Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Does your bilge pump suck
> Message-ID:
> <CA+rGV8atiB4f2mACBfA1tQJ51URswgS669d_LDYY=
> vasA-87Zw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Don?t install a non return valve, it could lead to more problems than
> it solves.
>
> Regards
>
> Troy
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 7:27?AM Dennis Cookson via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Ken. I see that the 37202-2012 is available here in the UK.
> Oddly,
> > its spec is inferior to the ParMax4, with a flow rate of 13L/min
> > compared to 16L/min, and self prime to 2m instead of 2.5m for the
> > ParMax4. But I guess it?s a more reliable and proven design. Quick
> > question - do you
> have
> > a non-return valve fitted to the inlet hose at the bilge? I don?t
> > and it is not mentioned in the installation instructions, but it
> > would clearly help to keep the system primed.
> >
> > Dennis Cookson
> > ?Catalina? #0577
> >
> > > On 20 Apr 2024, at 21:44, KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
> > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe my post was confusing. The original pump 27202-0000 is
> > discontinued. One might still find it in NOS. BUT why buy a 20
> > year old design and worst case 30 yr old rubber when one can buy the
> > modern replacement. And why not buy the original replacement
> > instead of reinventing the wheel.
> > > Ken Geiger#765
> > >
> > > Sent from AOL on Android
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 3:51 p.m., Steven Snyder via C320-list<
> > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Both Hodges Marine & Defender
> > have the 37202-2012 in stock. Neither
> > > indicates it is discontinued. The 37202-2024 is the 24 volt version.
> > >
> > > Steve Snyder
> > > Windcatcher, Hull # 1101
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 1:11?PM KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
> > > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> The original design 37202-0000 is out of production. You might
> > >> find
> > New
> > >> Old Stock somewhere in USA, there is a new replacement part
> > >> 37202-2012. Just google it. Or rebuild your old pump easily with a
> > Kit
> > >> as I did. google it. Buy Jabsco 37202-2012 Heavy Duty Shower &
> > >> Bilge Pump in Canada Binnacle.com, looks like there is now a
> > >> 7320-2-2024
> new
> > >> model
> > >>
> > >> |
> > >> |
> > >> Jabsco 37202-2012 Heavy Duty Shower & Bilge Pump 12 Volt
> > >> |
> > >>
> > >> |
> > >>
> > >> Ken Geiger
> > >> #765
> > >>
> > >> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:45:13 p.m. EDT, Dennis
> > >> Cookson
> via
> > >> C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for this, Troy. I can find something like this in the
> > >> UK, but
> > it?s
> > >> ?300 for an old design. Hoping I can find something equally
> > >> efficient
> > for
> > >> less, perhaps one of the Rule or Whale models.
> > >>
> > >> Dennis Cookson
> > >> ?Catalina? 0577
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On 19 Apr 2024, at 01:38, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> This is the proper pump. Exact replacement for the OE pump.
> > >>>
> > >>> Jabsco 37202-0000 12V Light Duty Bilge Pump
> > >>> https://a.co/d/5db8vQX
> > >>>
> > >>> If you have a parmax pump it might work I guess, but it will not
> > >>> work
> > >> well and certainly not if you have a significant leak.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards
> > >>>
> > >>> Troy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 4632, Issue 2
> ******************************************
>
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