[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4632, Issue 2
Bruce Heyman
BruceHeyman at cox.net
Sun Apr 21 14:27:27 PDT 2024
Hi Bob,
You are right, it will only disable the local outlet and any that are daisy chained to it. The main panel should remain unaffected.
Bruce
Bruce Heyman
Somerset #671 San Pedro (LA) California
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@Dave and Frank. Would a tripped GCFI outlet result in no AC current at the main cabin panel? I had thought that it only shut down the local outlet.
I'll be sure to check those tomorrow.
Bob
Ikigai
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> 3. Re: C320-list Digest, Vol 4631, Issue 2 (Dave Hupe)
> 4. Re: Does your bilge pump suck (KEN GEIGER)
> 5. Re: Does your bilge pump suck (KEN GEIGER)
> 6. Re: C320-list Digest, Vol 4631, Issue 2 (--Bill)
> 7. Re: Does your bilge pump suck (Troy Dunn)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 07:12:54 -0500
> From: "P.F. Ross" <pfrstl at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4631, Issue 2
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> Scott, good thought regarding GFCI outlets.
>
> My boat came from the factory with GFCI outlets where you describe
> them, so seems like standard configuration, at least on early boats.
>
> Frank Ross
> Beta Wave #206
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 6:32?AM Scott Westwood via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> > Shore Power: I had the same problem.PO installed (2) GCFI Outlets.
> > One located on the port shelf above the chart table (hidden by a speaker).
> > Second one was inside the forward-most cabinet, above the stove.
> > Did not read every reply but maybe look around for hidden gcfi outlets?
> >
> > Sorry if duplicate reply.
> > Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:09:28 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, "P.F. Ross via C320-list"
> <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>, C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4631, Issue 2
> Message-ID: <1154058506.1828337.1713704968149 at mail.yahoo.com>
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>
> I discovered the issue of a tripped GFCI a long time ago when I had no
> power at a? remote outlet. So, find all your outlets and check for one
> that may have tripped.
> This is a good discussion to remind me about this.
>
> Dave Hupe?
> 1994? C320 #32
>
> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 8:14 AM, P.F. Ross via C320-list<
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Scott, good thought regarding
> GFCI outlets.
>
> My boat came from the factory with GFCI outlets where you describe
> them, so seems like standard configuration, at least on early boats.
>
> Frank Ross
> Beta Wave #206
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 6:32?AM Scott Westwood via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> > Shore Power: I had the same problem.PO installed (2) GCFI Outlets.
> > One located on the port shelf above the chart table (hidden by a speaker).
> > Second one was inside the forward-most cabinet, above the stove.?
> > Did not read every reply but maybe look around for hidden gcfi outlets?
> >
> > Sorry if duplicate reply.
> > Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:09:28 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, "P.F. Ross via C320-list"
> <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>, C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4631, Issue 2
> Message-ID: <1154058506.1828337.1713704968149 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I discovered the issue of a tripped GFCI a long time ago when I had no
> power at a? remote outlet. So, find all your outlets and check for one
> that may have tripped.
> This is a good discussion to remind me about this.
>
> Dave Hupe?
> 1994? C320 #32
>
> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 8:14 AM, P.F. Ross via C320-list<
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Scott, good thought regarding
> GFCI outlets.
>
> My boat came from the factory with GFCI outlets where you describe
> them, so seems like standard configuration, at least on early boats.
>
> Frank Ross
> Beta Wave #206
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 6:32?AM Scott Westwood via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> > Shore Power: I had the same problem.PO installed (2) GCFI Outlets.
> > One located on the port shelf above the chart table (hidden by a speaker).
> > Second one was inside the forward-most cabinet, above the stove.?
> > Did not read every reply but maybe look around for hidden gcfi outlets?
> >
> > Sorry if duplicate reply.
> > Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 14:13:31 +0000 (UTC)
> From: KEN GEIGER <kendgb at aol.com>
> To: Dennis Cookson <dennis at cooksons.net>, "C320-List at catalina320.com"
> <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Cc: Steven Snyder via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Does your bilge pump suck
> Message-ID: <16283003.994363.1713708811810 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Regards an anti return valve, do not know for sure but I think not.?
> Recall flow back when pump shuts off.
> Ken? Geiger #765 2000
>
> Sent from AOL on Android
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 7:26 a.m., Dennis Cookson<dennis at cooksons.net>
> wrote: Thanks Ken. I see that the 37202-2012 is available here in the
> UK.? Oddly, its spec is inferior to the ParMax4, with a flow rate of
> 13L/min compared to 16L/min, and self prime to 2m instead of 2.5m for
> the ParMax4. But I guess it?s a more reliable and proven design.?
> Quick question - do you have a non-return valve fitted to the inlet
> hose at the bilge?? I don?t and it is not mentioned in the
> installation instructions, but it would clearly help to keep the system primed.
>
> Dennis Cookson
> ?Catalina?? #0577
>
> > On 20 Apr 2024, at 21:44, KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe my post was confusing.? The original pump 27202-0000 is
> discontinued.? One might still find it in NOS.? BUT why buy a 20 year
> old design and worst case 30 yr old rubber when one can buy the modern
> replacement.? And why not buy the original replacement instead of
> reinventing the wheel.
> > Ken Geiger#765
> >
> > Sent from AOL on Android
> >
> >? On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 3:51 p.m., Steven Snyder via C320-list<
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:? Both Hodges Marine & Defender
> have the 37202-2012 in stock. Neither
> > indicates it is discontinued. The 37202-2024 is the 24 volt version.
> >
> > Steve Snyder
> > Windcatcher, Hull # 1101
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 1:11?PM KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
> > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> >>? The original design 37202-0000 is out of production.? You might
> >>find
> New
> >> Old Stock somewhere in USA,? there is a new replacement part
> >> 37202-2012.? ? Just google it.? Or rebuild your old pump easily
> >> with a
> Kit
> >> as I did.? google it.? Buy Jabsco 37202-2012 Heavy Duty Shower &
> >> Bilge Pump in Canada Binnacle.com,? looks like there is now a
> >> 7320-2-2024 new model
> >>
> >> |
> >> |
> >> Jabsco 37202-2012 Heavy Duty Shower & Bilge Pump 12 Volt ? |
> >>
> >>? |
> >>
> >> Ken Geiger
> >> #765
> >>
> >>? ? On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:45:13 p.m. EDT, Dennis Cookson
> >>via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>? Thanks for this, Troy. I can find something like this in the UK,
> >>but
> it?s
> >> ?300 for an old design. Hoping I can find something equally
> >> efficient
> for
> >> less, perhaps one of the Rule or Whale models.
> >>
> >> Dennis Cookson
> >> ?Catalina? 0577
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 19 Apr 2024, at 01:38, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This is the proper pump.? Exact replacement for the OE pump.
> >>>
> >>> Jabsco 37202-0000 12V Light Duty Bilge Pump https://a.co/d/5db8vQX
> >>>
> >>> If you have a parmax pump it might work I guess, but it will not
> >>> work
> >> well and certainly not if you have a significant leak.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> Troy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 14:13:31 +0000 (UTC)
> From: KEN GEIGER <kendgb at aol.com>
> To: Dennis Cookson <dennis at cooksons.net>, "C320-List at catalina320.com"
> <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Cc: Steven Snyder via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Does your bilge pump suck
> Message-ID: <16283003.994363.1713708811810 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Regards an anti return valve, do not know for sure but I think not.?
> Recall flow back when pump shuts off.
> Ken? Geiger #765 2000
>
> Sent from AOL on Android
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 7:26 a.m., Dennis Cookson<dennis at cooksons.net>
> wrote: Thanks Ken. I see that the 37202-2012 is available here in the
> UK.? Oddly, its spec is inferior to the ParMax4, with a flow rate of
> 13L/min compared to 16L/min, and self prime to 2m instead of 2.5m for
> the ParMax4. But I guess it?s a more reliable and proven design.?
> Quick question - do you have a non-return valve fitted to the inlet
> hose at the bilge?? I don?t and it is not mentioned in the
> installation instructions, but it would clearly help to keep the system primed.
>
> Dennis Cookson
> ?Catalina?? #0577
>
> > On 20 Apr 2024, at 21:44, KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe my post was confusing.? The original pump 27202-0000 is
> discontinued.? One might still find it in NOS.? BUT why buy a 20 year
> old design and worst case 30 yr old rubber when one can buy the modern
> replacement.? And why not buy the original replacement instead of
> reinventing the wheel.
> > Ken Geiger#765
> >
> > Sent from AOL on Android
> >
> >? On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 3:51 p.m., Steven Snyder via C320-list<
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:? Both Hodges Marine & Defender
> have the 37202-2012 in stock. Neither
> > indicates it is discontinued. The 37202-2024 is the 24 volt version.
> >
> > Steve Snyder
> > Windcatcher, Hull # 1101
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 1:11?PM KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
> > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> >>? The original design 37202-0000 is out of production.? You might
> >>find
> New
> >> Old Stock somewhere in USA,? there is a new replacement part
> >> 37202-2012.? ? Just google it.? Or rebuild your old pump easily
> >> with a
> Kit
> >> as I did.? google it.? Buy Jabsco 37202-2012 Heavy Duty Shower &
> >> Bilge Pump in Canada Binnacle.com,? looks like there is now a
> >> 7320-2-2024 new model
> >>
> >> |
> >> |
> >> Jabsco 37202-2012 Heavy Duty Shower & Bilge Pump 12 Volt ? |
> >>
> >>? |
> >>
> >> Ken Geiger
> >> #765
> >>
> >>? ? On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:45:13 p.m. EDT, Dennis Cookson
> >>via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>? Thanks for this, Troy. I can find something like this in the UK,
> >>but
> it?s
> >> ?300 for an old design. Hoping I can find something equally
> >> efficient
> for
> >> less, perhaps one of the Rule or Whale models.
> >>
> >> Dennis Cookson
> >> ?Catalina? 0577
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 19 Apr 2024, at 01:38, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This is the proper pump.? Exact replacement for the OE pump.
> >>>
> >>> Jabsco 37202-0000 12V Light Duty Bilge Pump https://a.co/d/5db8vQX
> >>>
> >>> If you have a parmax pump it might work I guess, but it will not
> >>> work
> >> well and certainly not if you have a significant leak.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> Troy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:40:24 -0400
> From: --Bill <ackermwi at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4631, Issue 2
> Message-ID: <3542CF7E-EF60-489A-B90F-6C8E1353B2C0 at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I would recommend using a non-contact voltage detector (such as a NCV
> pen) to try to isolate the problem location. Example:
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099SJ6469?psc=1&ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_ct_0XB57K
> 01T2J214D5615W&language=en_US Using this you can see where the AC
> voltage stops. This should narrow down the problem location. The AC
> cable might be covered with hard plastic cable protection up to the
> main panel so you might need to open some of this to get an accurate
> detection depending on the sensitivity of your NCV tool.
> I would definitely check after main inlet switch and both sides of
> the panel breaker. If that is all good then GFCIs.
> ?Bill Ackerman
>
> > On Apr 21, 2024, at 9:11?AM, Dave Hupe via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?I discovered the issue of a tripped GFCI a long time ago when I had
> > no
> power at a remote outlet. So, find all your outlets and check for one
> that may have tripped.
> > This is a good discussion to remind me about this.
> >
> > Dave Hupe
> > 1994 C320 #32
> >
> > Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 8:14 AM, P.F. Ross via C320-list<
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Scott, good thought regarding
> GFCI outlets.
> >
> > My boat came from the factory with GFCI outlets where you describe
> > them,
> so
> > seems like standard configuration, at least on early boats.
> >
> > Frank Ross
> > Beta Wave #206
> >
> >> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024, 6:32?AM Scott Westwood via C320-list <
> >> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Shore Power: I had the same problem.PO installed (2) GCFI Outlets.
> >> One located on the port shelf above the chart table (hidden by a speaker).
> >> Second one was inside the forward-most cabinet, above the stove.
> >> Did
> not
> >> read every reply but maybe look around for hidden gcfi outlets?
> >>
> >> Sorry if duplicate reply.
> >> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2024 14:11:05 -0400
> From: Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Does your bilge pump suck
> Message-ID:
> <CA+rGV8atiB4f2mACBfA1tQJ51URswgS669d_LDYY=
> vasA-87Zw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Don?t install a non return valve, it could lead to more problems than
> it solves.
>
> Regards
>
> Troy
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 7:27?AM Dennis Cookson via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Ken. I see that the 37202-2012 is available here in the UK.
> Oddly,
> > its spec is inferior to the ParMax4, with a flow rate of 13L/min
> > compared to 16L/min, and self prime to 2m instead of 2.5m for the
> > ParMax4. But I guess it?s a more reliable and proven design. Quick
> > question - do you
> have
> > a non-return valve fitted to the inlet hose at the bilge? I don?t
> > and it is not mentioned in the installation instructions, but it
> > would clearly help to keep the system primed.
> >
> > Dennis Cookson
> > ?Catalina? #0577
> >
> > > On 20 Apr 2024, at 21:44, KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
> > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe my post was confusing. The original pump 27202-0000 is
> > discontinued. One might still find it in NOS. BUT why buy a 20
> > year old design and worst case 30 yr old rubber when one can buy the
> > modern replacement. And why not buy the original replacement
> > instead of reinventing the wheel.
> > > Ken Geiger#765
> > >
> > > Sent from AOL on Android
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 3:51 p.m., Steven Snyder via C320-list<
> > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Both Hodges Marine & Defender
> > have the 37202-2012 in stock. Neither
> > > indicates it is discontinued. The 37202-2024 is the 24 volt version.
> > >
> > > Steve Snyder
> > > Windcatcher, Hull # 1101
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 1:11?PM KEN GEIGER via C320-list <
> > > c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> The original design 37202-0000 is out of production. You might
> > >> find
> > New
> > >> Old Stock somewhere in USA, there is a new replacement part
> > >> 37202-2012. Just google it. Or rebuild your old pump easily with a
> > Kit
> > >> as I did. google it. Buy Jabsco 37202-2012 Heavy Duty Shower &
> > >> Bilge Pump in Canada Binnacle.com, looks like there is now a
> > >> 7320-2-2024
> new
> > >> model
> > >>
> > >> |
> > >> |
> > >> Jabsco 37202-2012 Heavy Duty Shower & Bilge Pump 12 Volt
> > >> |
> > >>
> > >> |
> > >>
> > >> Ken Geiger
> > >> #765
> > >>
> > >> On Saturday, April 20, 2024 at 12:45:13 p.m. EDT, Dennis
> > >> Cookson
> via
> > >> C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for this, Troy. I can find something like this in the
> > >> UK, but
> > it?s
> > >> ?300 for an old design. Hoping I can find something equally
> > >> efficient
> > for
> > >> less, perhaps one of the Rule or Whale models.
> > >>
> > >> Dennis Cookson
> > >> ?Catalina? 0577
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On 19 Apr 2024, at 01:38, Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> This is the proper pump. Exact replacement for the OE pump.
> > >>>
> > >>> Jabsco 37202-0000 12V Light Duty Bilge Pump
> > >>> https://a.co/d/5db8vQX
> > >>>
> > >>> If you have a parmax pump it might work I guess, but it will not
> > >>> work
> > >> well and certainly not if you have a significant leak.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards
> > >>>
> > >>> Troy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 4632, Issue 2
> ******************************************
>
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