[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4645, Issue 1
Jeffrey Kapec
jkapec at tkdg.com
Fri May 10 17:20:08 PDT 2024
Hello to All:
We own a 2000 C320 Hull 718 Purchased in 2004. At the time of purchase,
we purchased a custom cover from Top Shop. The cover extends down to the
waterline. I added a few (6) additional stringers (8-foot lengths) running
perpendicular to the support frame members in the aft section of the boat.
That cover is still in use. We have had some repairs made from time to
time. We are located in Connecticut so we see snow and ice storms. One
year a severe rainstorm formed a deep pocket filled with water, about 8
gals, and then the temperature dropped well below freezing. I went to
inspect the boat and noticed this frozen 50 lb mass seated in the cover.
That was interesting so I added the stringers should that happen again.
Also have had 12 inches of wet snowfalls. That is why I added additional
strips of wood to supplement the spacing between the aluminum aft frame
members. I retain the wood stringers with electrical tape onto the aluminum
frame. To date, 20 years later, the cover still protects the boat all
winter long. The gel coat is pristine because it is not exposed to the sun
from October to May. The fabric they used is reinforced and coated with
polyurethane which is very resilant. I would go with Top Shop again based
on 20 years of excellent longevity. Also, note the material is lighter
than a comparable canvas cover.
Jeff Kapec
Petite Suite
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> Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 02:38:01 -0400
> From: Ken Spiro <kspir4 at cox.net>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Cc: Rich Allen via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>,
> islgirl3 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Winter Cover Experience
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>
> I bought from North Shore also way back in 2013. Have used it every
> winter in Annapolis MD and it still works/looks great. I needed it to last
> 4 years to be a better deal than wrapping the boat and I?m now way ahead in
> terms of dollars not spent on wrapping.
> I put fenders at the p and s end of the main traveler (under the cover) to
> increase the slope and runoff.
> Peter at North Shore is great. He visits the boat to measure any design
> deviations (e.g., stanchion location) to ensure a good fit. He?ll
> customize it to your liking too as evidenced by him adding vents I wanted.
> Did it for no extra charge (he responded to my request with ?of course?.its
> your cover?).
> About 5 years ago, a squirrel chewed 2 holes in the cover. He fixed it
> for no charge. He even paid the shipping fee back to my house. THAT is
> customer service.
> If the cover ever wears out, I?ll definitely buy from him again.
> They have a good display at the Annapolis boat show every year for those
> who are in that area in the fall.
> Ken
> ?MoonDancer?
> 2006. 1089
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 7, 2024, at 8:26?AM, islgirl3--- via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?I purchased a North Shore winter cover 5 years ago. It is a 3 piece
> cover and takes about 90 minutes to put up by myself. No additional
> supports needed.
> > I am in NYC, so far so good.
> > RichBarbara Rita 897
> >
> > Sent from AOL on Android
> >
> > On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 11:53 PM, Rich Allen via C320-list<
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Thank you Michael, I like the
> idea of the side skirts. Our current cover
> > goes to the waterline, which has helped preserve the gelcoat. This
> spring
> > I used rubbing compound to remove 29 years of oxidation, and the hull
> > really shines. The customer service sounds awesome. I likely will
> include
> > them in the companies I get quotes from. Today I received a quote from
> Top
> > Shop (Quinte Canvas) which is located north of Lake Ontario. Their
> product
> > includes a frame allowing for mast up or down. Does anyone have
> experience
> > with them? With the heavy frame, shipping gets expensive bringing the
> > total to about $4500, certainly on the pricier side.
> >
> >> On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 1:59?PM Michael Leschisin via C320-list <
> >> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey Rich,
> >>
> >> I can second Dave?s opinion on Shipshape Canvas being the way to go.
> >>
> >> When we bought our boat, it came with a canvas, tent style cover that
> came
> >> to just inside the toe rails. All winter the snow slid down it, melt
> >> inside the toe rails and then would refreeze onto the decks. Drove me
> >> crazy having a hockey rink all over my boat not to mention what it was
> >> doing to the bedded hardware. I ordered a Shipshape the following year
> and
> >> love it. It?s super solidly built with Top Gun fabric and I've had no
> >> issue with it in the last half a dozen years. My boat is stored on the
> >> border of Northern Wisconsin and Michigan so as you can imagine, we
> tend to
> >> get plenty of winter weather. We?ve had 6-8 inches of wet snow or more
> at
> >> times and the cover handles it fine. I live about an hour and a half
> from
> >> the boat so if we do get a large snowfall, often times I can?t get to
> the
> >> boatyard until the weekend. Its not unusual for me to get there and
> find
> >> the cover has warmed during a sunny day and the heavy snow has
> completely
> >> slid off.
> >>
> >> One of the major pluses I found with Shipshape is that their customer
> >> service is amazing. After the first season with the new cover I wanted
> to
> >> have them do some modifications. (Have them sew some patches and double
> the
> >> fabric in a few areas where I had ?pointy? hardware against it, double
> the
> >> length of the vents since I had some snow blow in during a blizzard,
> etc.)
> >> Don?t quote me on it, but if I recall correctly, they didn?t charge me
> >> anything for the modifications and even paid for the shipping. A
> couple of
> >> years later, while caring the cover to the basement, it slid out of my
> >> hands, and hit a metal picture frame cutting a slit in the cover. I
> think,
> >> I paid to ship it to them but they did the work and shipped it back
> free of
> >> charge. Hard to beat that.
> >>
> >> If you do go with them, I would get the ?deluxe" feature on the
> stanchion
> >> wraps. It really seals the openings well and keeps the snow and most of
> >> the rain out. I also ordered side skirts for ours and would recommend
> it.
> >> They basically hang off the stanchions and are designed to keep the UV
> rays
> >> off the hull. I?ve heard UV exposure is actually worse in the winter
> and
> >> they also help keep the hull clean. I do a down and dirty wax job
> before
> >> putting the boat to bed in the fall and when I recommission in the
> spring,
> >> everything comes off with a quick wash. The boat actually looks good
> >> enough to splash as-is if I wanted to. I would also go with the
> enclosed
> >> stern, which goes down to the bottom of transom and seals off the back
> of
> >> the boat. One thing I found on this, is that the heavy snow will tend
> to
> >> settle in and build up behind the stern rails and then sag the cover a
> >> bit. I solved the problem by tying a couple of long 1? PVC pipes to the
> >> back of the boom, then threading them over the transom and tying them to
> >> the lowest line securing the cover to the transom. Once I did this, the
> >> snow slides off and I rarely find more than a handful of snow behind the
> >> rails.
> >>
> >> I store the boat mast up in the yard and in addition the cost factor, I
> >> feel there?s a better chance of something being broke if the rig is
> >> constantly being disconnected then reconnected each season.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps,
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael Leschisin
> >>
> >> Wild Blue Yonder
> >> 2004 C320 #995
> >> Menominee, MI
> >>
> >>
> >>> On May 5, 2024, at 12:33?PM, Rich Allen via C320-list <
> >> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thank you Dave for the strong endorsement for ShipShape. Can you
> >> describe
> >>> yours - is it a boom tent covering the toe rail and the stern?
> >>> Rich Allen
> >>> 1995 C320 #265
> >>> Rochester, NY
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 1:10?PM Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Strongly recommend look into ShipShape Products, Inc. for a winter
> cover
> >>>> https://www.shipshapecanvas.com/index.php
> >>>> They have been great to work with and price beat all local suppliers.
> I
> >>>> knew several other owners here that got covers from them before me and
> >> are
> >>>> very happy.. I have had mine (boat stored on my cradle with mast up
> >> during
> >>>> the winter) now for 3 years. I recommended ShipShape to others who
> also
> >>>> are very happy with theirs. I can provide more details if desired.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dave Hupe
> >>>>
> >>>> 1994 C320 #32
> >>>>
> >>>> Holland, MI
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:56:24 PM EDT, Rich Allen via C320-list <
> >>>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> We are starting to shop for a winter cover for our 1995 C320 #265. We
> >> are
> >>>> located in Rochester, NY, which has the potential for significant
> >> snowfall
> >>>> (though very little this year) as well as wind. Our current cover
> came
> >>>> with the boat when we bought it 2 and a half years ago. We took
> >> delivery
> >>>> of the boat in November after it was covered. The cover uses the mast
> >>>> stored horizontally on the deck as the ridge pole, and goes over the
> >>>> lifelines covering the hull to the waterline. The boat was positioned
> >> on
> >>>> the east side of a boat shed, and a windy lake-effect storm dropped a
> >> lot
> >>>> of show on the boat caving in the cover and bending a couple of
> >>>> stanchions. Not wanting to repeat that, I have added fir strips to
> form
> >>>> ribs, and additional fir strips on top of the ribs parallel to the
> >>>> mast/ridge pole. The whole affair takes a lot of time to transport,
> >>>> assemble and undue in the spring. And to top it off, the cover is old
> >> and
> >>>> it leaks, so I put a poly-tarp over top of it.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think we can do better!
> >>>>
> >>>> After some research I am finding a few options which I am hoping to
> hear
> >>>> your feedback on, or other options if you have them.
> >>>>
> >>>> North Shore (
> >> http://www.northshorecanvas.net/sailboat-winter-covers.html).
> >>>> This uses TopGun fabric and tents over the boom. A forum post from
> 2013
> >>>> was positive.
> >>>>
> >>>> TopShop (Quinte Canvas) (https://www.topshop.on.ca/)
> >>>>
> >>>> Fairclough (https://fairclough.com/)
> >>>>
> >>>> The Canvas Store
> >>>>
> >>>> Kinder Industries
> >>>>
> >>>> What are your thoughts? Also I am interested to hear if you take your
> >> rig
> >>>> down every year, or store with the rig up and the pros and cons. Our
> >>>> current cover uses the mast as the ridge poll, which has some
> negatives.
> >>>> Taking the mast down and putting back up costs over $500 each season,
> >> and
> >>>> adds a lot of work. Access to the instruments and wiring is possible,
> >>>> though it is difficult.
> >>>>
> >>>> Rich and Nan Allen
> >>>> SV Destiny
> >>>> 1995 #265
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 02:38:01 -0400
> From: Ken Spiro <kspir4 at cox.net>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Cc: Rich Allen via C320-list <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>,
> islgirl3 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Winter Cover Experience
> Message-ID: <3EE7D866-EB64-4209-8872-8A280E78131A at cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I bought from North Shore also way back in 2013. Have used it every
> winter in Annapolis MD and it still works/looks great. I needed it to last
> 4 years to be a better deal than wrapping the boat and I?m now way ahead in
> terms of dollars not spent on wrapping.
> I put fenders at the p and s end of the main traveler (under the cover) to
> increase the slope and runoff.
> Peter at North Shore is great. He visits the boat to measure any design
> deviations (e.g., stanchion location) to ensure a good fit. He?ll
> customize it to your liking too as evidenced by him adding vents I wanted.
> Did it for no extra charge (he responded to my request with ?of course?.its
> your cover?).
> About 5 years ago, a squirrel chewed 2 holes in the cover. He fixed it
> for no charge. He even paid the shipping fee back to my house. THAT is
> customer service.
> If the cover ever wears out, I?ll definitely buy from him again.
> They have a good display at the Annapolis boat show every year for those
> who are in that area in the fall.
> Ken
> ?MoonDancer?
> 2006. 1089
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 7, 2024, at 8:26?AM, islgirl3--- via C320-list <
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?I purchased a North Shore winter cover 5 years ago. It is a 3 piece
> cover and takes about 90 minutes to put up by myself. No additional
> supports needed.
> > I am in NYC, so far so good.
> > RichBarbara Rita 897
> >
> > Sent from AOL on Android
> >
> > On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 11:53 PM, Rich Allen via C320-list<
> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Thank you Michael, I like the
> idea of the side skirts. Our current cover
> > goes to the waterline, which has helped preserve the gelcoat. This
> spring
> > I used rubbing compound to remove 29 years of oxidation, and the hull
> > really shines. The customer service sounds awesome. I likely will
> include
> > them in the companies I get quotes from. Today I received a quote from
> Top
> > Shop (Quinte Canvas) which is located north of Lake Ontario. Their
> product
> > includes a frame allowing for mast up or down. Does anyone have
> experience
> > with them? With the heavy frame, shipping gets expensive bringing the
> > total to about $4500, certainly on the pricier side.
> >
> >> On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 1:59?PM Michael Leschisin via C320-list <
> >> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey Rich,
> >>
> >> I can second Dave?s opinion on Shipshape Canvas being the way to go.
> >>
> >> When we bought our boat, it came with a canvas, tent style cover that
> came
> >> to just inside the toe rails. All winter the snow slid down it, melt
> >> inside the toe rails and then would refreeze onto the decks. Drove me
> >> crazy having a hockey rink all over my boat not to mention what it was
> >> doing to the bedded hardware. I ordered a Shipshape the following year
> and
> >> love it. It?s super solidly built with Top Gun fabric and I've had no
> >> issue with it in the last half a dozen years. My boat is stored on the
> >> border of Northern Wisconsin and Michigan so as you can imagine, we
> tend to
> >> get plenty of winter weather. We?ve had 6-8 inches of wet snow or more
> at
> >> times and the cover handles it fine. I live about an hour and a half
> from
> >> the boat so if we do get a large snowfall, often times I can?t get to
> the
> >> boatyard until the weekend. Its not unusual for me to get there and
> find
> >> the cover has warmed during a sunny day and the heavy snow has
> completely
> >> slid off.
> >>
> >> One of the major pluses I found with Shipshape is that their customer
> >> service is amazing. After the first season with the new cover I wanted
> to
> >> have them do some modifications. (Have them sew some patches and double
> the
> >> fabric in a few areas where I had ?pointy? hardware against it, double
> the
> >> length of the vents since I had some snow blow in during a blizzard,
> etc.)
> >> Don?t quote me on it, but if I recall correctly, they didn?t charge me
> >> anything for the modifications and even paid for the shipping. A
> couple of
> >> years later, while caring the cover to the basement, it slid out of my
> >> hands, and hit a metal picture frame cutting a slit in the cover. I
> think,
> >> I paid to ship it to them but they did the work and shipped it back
> free of
> >> charge. Hard to beat that.
> >>
> >> If you do go with them, I would get the ?deluxe" feature on the
> stanchion
> >> wraps. It really seals the openings well and keeps the snow and most of
> >> the rain out. I also ordered side skirts for ours and would recommend
> it.
> >> They basically hang off the stanchions and are designed to keep the UV
> rays
> >> off the hull. I?ve heard UV exposure is actually worse in the winter
> and
> >> they also help keep the hull clean. I do a down and dirty wax job
> before
> >> putting the boat to bed in the fall and when I recommission in the
> spring,
> >> everything comes off with a quick wash. The boat actually looks good
> >> enough to splash as-is if I wanted to. I would also go with the
> enclosed
> >> stern, which goes down to the bottom of transom and seals off the back
> of
> >> the boat. One thing I found on this, is that the heavy snow will tend
> to
> >> settle in and build up behind the stern rails and then sag the cover a
> >> bit. I solved the problem by tying a couple of long 1? PVC pipes to the
> >> back of the boom, then threading them over the transom and tying them to
> >> the lowest line securing the cover to the transom. Once I did this, the
> >> snow slides off and I rarely find more than a handful of snow behind the
> >> rails.
> >>
> >> I store the boat mast up in the yard and in addition the cost factor, I
> >> feel there?s a better chance of something being broke if the rig is
> >> constantly being disconnected then reconnected each season.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps,
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael Leschisin
> >>
> >> Wild Blue Yonder
> >> 2004 C320 #995
> >> Menominee, MI
> >>
> >>
> >>> On May 5, 2024, at 12:33?PM, Rich Allen via C320-list <
> >> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thank you Dave for the strong endorsement for ShipShape. Can you
> >> describe
> >>> yours - is it a boom tent covering the toe rail and the stern?
> >>> Rich Allen
> >>> 1995 C320 #265
> >>> Rochester, NY
> >>>
> >>>> On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 1:10?PM Dave Hupe <hoopdtwo at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Strongly recommend look into ShipShape Products, Inc. for a winter
> cover
> >>>> https://www.shipshapecanvas.com/index.php
> >>>> They have been great to work with and price beat all local suppliers.
> I
> >>>> knew several other owners here that got covers from them before me and
> >> are
> >>>> very happy.. I have had mine (boat stored on my cradle with mast up
> >> during
> >>>> the winter) now for 3 years. I recommended ShipShape to others who
> also
> >>>> are very happy with theirs. I can provide more details if desired.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dave Hupe
> >>>>
> >>>> 1994 C320 #32
> >>>>
> >>>> Holland, MI
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 12:56:24 PM EDT, Rich Allen via C320-list <
> >>>> c320-list at lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> We are starting to shop for a winter cover for our 1995 C320 #265. We
> >> are
> >>>> located in Rochester, NY, which has the potential for significant
> >> snowfall
> >>>> (though very little this year) as well as wind. Our current cover
> came
> >>>> with the boat when we bought it 2 and a half years ago. We took
> >> delivery
> >>>> of the boat in November after it was covered. The cover uses the mast
> >>>> stored horizontally on the deck as the ridge pole, and goes over the
> >>>> lifelines covering the hull to the waterline. The boat was positioned
> >> on
> >>>> the east side of a boat shed, and a windy lake-effect storm dropped a
> >> lot
> >>>> of show on the boat caving in the cover and bending a couple of
> >>>> stanchions. Not wanting to repeat that, I have added fir strips to
> form
> >>>> ribs, and additional fir strips on top of the ribs parallel to the
> >>>> mast/ridge pole. The whole affair takes a lot of time to transport,
> >>>> assemble and undue in the spring. And to top it off, the cover is old
> >> and
> >>>> it leaks, so I put a poly-tarp over top of it.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think we can do better!
> >>>>
> >>>> After some research I am finding a few options which I am hoping to
> hear
> >>>> your feedback on, or other options if you have them.
> >>>>
> >>>> North Shore (
> >> http://www.northshorecanvas.net/sailboat-winter-covers.html).
> >>>> This uses TopGun fabric and tents over the boom. A forum post from
> 2013
> >>>> was positive.
> >>>>
> >>>> TopShop (Quinte Canvas) (https://www.topshop.on.ca/)
> >>>>
> >>>> Fairclough (https://fairclough.com/)
> >>>>
> >>>> The Canvas Store
> >>>>
> >>>> Kinder Industries
> >>>>
> >>>> What are your thoughts? Also I am interested to hear if you take your
> >> rig
> >>>> down every year, or store with the rig up and the pros and cons. Our
> >>>> current cover uses the mast as the ridge poll, which has some
> negatives.
> >>>> Taking the mast down and putting back up costs over $500 each season,
> >> and
> >>>> adds a lot of work. Access to the instruments and wiring is possible,
> >>>> though it is difficult.
> >>>>
> >>>> Rich and Nan Allen
> >>>> SV Destiny
> >>>> 1995 #265
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 4645, Issue 1
> ******************************************
>
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Jeffrey Kapec
*Tanaka Kapec Design Group*
11 Brookfield St. Norwalk, CT 06851
203.846.3666
www.tkdg.com
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