[C320-list] Fw: [c320] The SailNet Email Lists are back on line!
Ralph Winkler
capt-wink at aepro.com
Mon Nov 14 14:18:33 PST 2005
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From: Ralph Winkler
To: c320
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [c320] The SailNet Email Lists are back on line!
I agree with Orlando that technical data access should be part of the VALUE of our association membership dues. We need to make our association stronger with more owner participation. Come on guys, how much do we all spend on "stuff" for our boats vs the value of the association for $24 bucks a year.
Adam is right on the amount of 320 specific material in Mainsheet however, I would bet that most of us read it cover to cover and think of how ideas might fit our situation.
Ralph
Wind Dancer 320
----- Original Message -----
From: Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
To: c320
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [c320] The SailNet Email Lists are back on line!
Adam,
My suggestion was to close off that portion of the website that deals with tech issues to members only....that to me would be the value part of joining the Assc....
cuba libre 2
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OD
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Weiner" [esquirecatering at rcn.com]
Sent: 11/13/2005 10:14 AM
To: c320" <c320 at list.sailnet.net>
Subject: RE: [c320] The SailNet Email Lists are back on line!
I think my point was, what have I paid nearly $200 for over the last six years to be part of the association? The Mainsheet is OK, but I wouldn't buy it as a sailing magazine if I did not get it "for free" since only a few pages talk about 320's. Very few of the members go to the regattas, and since the e-mail list is such a great benefit as everyone agrees, and it is free, why join the association. (Gosh, you don't even get a burgee when you join the association, you have to buy it extra.)
Regarding the upcoming regatta, I have met Dick Walker and seen the Coronado Yacht Club, and I did it via the e-mail list, not via the association. Don't get me wrong, both are wonderful, but I did not do either as part of the association.
I guess my complaint is that a number of people on this list screamed, yelled, and sent out personal slams when Sailjazz wanted to charge for the list, yet we are asked to join an association for what end?
By the way Orlando, why pay to join the association to read technical articles when the same articles are on the website? Does the website require membership in the association? If not, kind of proves my point. If so, then why should this list be any different?
Adam
-----Original Message-----
From: Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com [mailto:Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:14 AM
To: c320
Subject: Re: [c320] The SailNet Email Lists are back on line!
I think you misunderstood my posting, I am for a 'free' list service...my musing was what about making the tech portions of the website available for members only.....that was my point about making membership value-add.
I'm no saying we should add charges additional to the Assc membership, simply narrowing the scope of what you get WITHOUT Assc dues...
cuba libre 2
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OD
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Van Vessem" [john at honn.com]
Sent: 11/13/2005 08:34 AM
To: c320" <c320 at list.sailnet.net>
Subject: FW: [c320] The SailNet Email Lists are back on line!
-----Original Message-----
From: John Van Vessem [mailto:john at honn.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 8:27 AM
To: 'c320'
Subject: RE: [c320] The SailNet Email Lists are back on line!
Orlando,
The "milk" only has any value if everyone belongs. If all C320 owners are spread over 3 or 4 different email lists it will diminish our collective intelligence. The real value to this email list, or any email list, is the ability to pose a question or problem to a large repository of experience. There is of course the option to join all the mail lists, but for me I don't have the time to peruse duplicate emails. Considering that the two email lists I have been on have both had problems, one because of bankruptcy and one because the owners wanted to get paid for their work only strengthens the argument that we (meaning C320 owners) would do well to stick with and support our own non-profit organization so we won't have to be subjected to outside influences shutting the list down.
John (Sojourn 645)
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From: Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com [mailto:Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 4:31 PM
To: c320
Subject: Re: [c320] The SailNet Email Lists are back on line!
Perhaps not the list it self, if you look at either the 36 or 30 Assc (not exactly sure which one) but they only allow Assc members to access their Tech Tips or to receive the Tech CD....in any case, the point is to make membership in the Assc have a more value-add than just the Mainsheet.....why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free..... :)
cuba libre 2
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OD
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----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Monaco [russgm at yahoo.com]
Sent: 11/12/2005 04:19 PM
To: c320" <c320 at list.sailnet.net>
Subject: RE: [c320] The SailNet Email Lists are back on line!
well there are many benfits to joining the asociation the most obvious of which is the quarterly publication Mainsheet. Also, the annual Reggatta would certainly count as a valuable asset. I would like to know are you suggesting people not join the association? or are you suggesting that the organization charge for access to the web site. If it is the later, than how would you propose potential buyers to look in to our boat? Would you force them to join the association to simply to ask questions about a boat they are thinking of buying? this is just one of numerous reasons why I do not believe we should charge for access to our e-mail list, by the way if we charge for access to the e-mail list, then why join our fee based e-mail list, when cheryl at Sailjazz at the moment is charging $12 to join her e-mail list, or is it $36? Or is it some other number yet that I missed? I view our e-mail list as a service our association provides to all C320 owners, and I hope that once the join our community they will join our association to obtain its other benefits, things they can learn about while on the list. Do you really want to exclude non-members from this list?
russ monaco
Commodore C320IA
Escape 621
Stamford, Ct
Adam Weiner <esquirecatering at rcn.com> wrote:
Then why join the C320 association? (Note, I just mailed my check.)
Adam
-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Mielenhausen [mailto:mielen at cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:03 AM
To: c320
Subject: Re: [c320] The SailNet Email Lists are back on line!
I agree, Dick. We should probably check here from time to time and
direct
owners to the organization site as they are more likely to find the
SailNet group first.
It should be pointed out that paid organization membership is not
required
to access the site.
Karl Mielenhausen
2000 Catalina 320 #690 "Silver Lining"
New Bern, NC
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:37:34 -0500, Richard A. Walker
wrote:
> I personally hope we now all stay on the C-320 list that is part of
> our C-320IA organization which is C320-List at catalina320.com
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dick Walker
>
> C-320 (687) WindWalker II
> 740 Olive Ave.
> Coronado, CA 92118-2136
> 619.435.8986
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