[C320-list] Mast Cranes and Asymetrics.

[Allan Field]

Irv - I sent the pix off-line. - Allan

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[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Irv Grunes
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:20 PM
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Allan,
The pennant idea seems to solve the halyard chafing difficulty that some
have experienced.

Was the shackle on the pennant a "swivel type" even though there may be a
swivel at the spinnaker head already

Did you consider a stopper ball on the halyard before the actual halyard
shackle to keep it from coming in contact with the spinnaker halyard sheave
at the top of the mast.

If ever can take a pix, send it off list to

igrunes at comcast.net

but your pennant description is very adequate.

Irv Grunes
Isle of Wight #851

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Irv - I had the WM rigger make up an 18-inch pennant of vinyl coated wire.
One end has a swaged-on shackle that clips onto the head of the sock.  The
other end has a swaged-on thimble that the spinnaker halyard hooks into.
This way, any chafe at the top of the forestay or against the furler drum is
against this pennant instead of the rope halyard.  This seems to be much
more economical than a crain.  I can take a pix and send it out next weekend
if you'd like.

Hope this helps.

Allan S. Field
Sea Shadow - #808
Columbia, MD

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Irv Grunes" <igrunes at comcast.net>

>
> Hi,
>
> We are still looking at Asymetrics. Looking for any comments on my scheme
> below to eliminte the need for a crane.
>
> Found this Quantun website:
>
> http://www.quantumsails.com/pdf/asymmetrical%20trim%20guide.pdf
>
> I sent this to my sailing partner:
>
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> ===================
>
> BUT the Quantum article says:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> What equipment do I need?
>
> . Spinnaker halyard that is above
>
> the forestay.
>
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>
> I am not sure of this BUT
>
> I think that our forestay goes to the top of the mast.
>
> I think the sheave for the spinnaker halyard is below it and lets assume
> that it is on the port side.
>
> Then flying an asym on the port side, the halyard would not be in contact
> with the forestay.
>
> Then if jibeing the asym to the starboard side, the halyard would have to
> cross over the forestay and would probably chafe.
>
> As I think about it, I think the solution would be something like our
> backstay adjuster that has the ball on the line to keep the thimble from
> pulling up into the sheave. If a stopper ball were put on the halyard, a
> knot on the halyard to hold the stopper ball, and then 8 inches or so of
> chafe guard were put on the halyard and then the shackle to the halyard.
>
> Then the sail would be hoisted that 8 inches or so lower, but when jibed,
> the chafe guard would protect the halyard from the forestay.
>
> This would eliminate the requirement for a crane and allow us to use the
> spinnaker halyard safely.
>
> I will bounce this off the list to see what response we get.
>
> Irv
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Seiden [mailto:theseidens at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:18 PM
> To: Irv Grunes
> Subject: Re: Asym's
>
>
> Bob
>
> Requesting quotes from a lot of the lofts. Will keep you posted on the
> quotes.
>
> Saw this at the quantum website. See for setting and dousing
>
> http://www.quantumsails.com/pdf/asymmetrical%20trim%20guide.pdf
>
>
>
> READ IT!
>
>
> We want it for running in light air. That would seem to mean the middle
> sail.
>
>
> The diagrams seem to suggest that the head of the asymmetrical comes well
> below the top of the mast. Especially with a sock, that should keep the
> head of the sail well away from anything it could chafe on.
>
>
> Quantum says absolutely nothing about a crane.
>
>
> me
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