[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 1198, Issue 1

[Jack McDonough]

Mike:

I have a few questions about the elbow:

1. How difficult a job is it to remove the elbow?
2. Once removed, why can't the carbon clog be cleaned out instead of buying 
a new elbow?
3. Is your engine a Yanmar 27?
4. If the overheating (i.e. lack of raw water through the system) is 
sporadic as mine is, wouldn't it seem that the trouble  is something other 
than a clogged elbow?

Jack
#934
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> Overheating:
> After experiencing the same symptoms as listed in this thread. I removed 
> the
> old mixing elbow. No surprise, after about 670 hours the elbow is almost
> completely clogged with carbon.
> I sent a digital picture to Elias at Pacwest Marine.  After a brief phone
> conversation with Elias to confirm parts and make the necessary  payment 
> the
> parts where shipped.
> I just received a new mixing elbow, threaded joint and gasket from Pacwest
> Marine (619-222-0475).
> Replacement is an easy process but you will need a large wrench and a 
> sturdy
> vise to unscrew the joint.
> The threaded joint was in good condition and didn't really need replacing.
> Total cost with shipping = $215.50  subtract $35. If you use your old 
> joint.
>
>
> Mike & Cindy Meloy
> Even Keel
> C320 #769
>
>
>
>
>
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> Today's Topics:
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>   1. Re: Overheating (Jack McDonough)
>   2. Re: Refrigerator Cycling Solved(?) (Robert Seastream)
>   3. why you never leave a boat until you have to step up
>      (sailorlew at aol.com)
>   4. Re: depthsounder problem (wflowe3 at aim.com)
>   5. Folo: ordering parts, happy ending (Walter Schaffer)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:21:58 -0400
> From: "Jack McDonough" <mcdonough5 at verizon.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Overheating
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> Dennis:
>
> Excellent idea. Someone else made a similar suggestion. I'll add that to 
> the
> list of things to check. Thank you.
>
> jack
> #947
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dennis Harris" <dharris02 at suddenlink.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 2:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Overheating
>
>
>> Just a thought...could it be that a broken water pump vane or other 
>> debris
>
>> is in the exit end of the heat exchanger?  It could be loose so it moves
>> around but big enough to stop water flow out the exit if it stops across
>> the outlet opening.  On time, water turbulence moves it away from outlet
>> opening and you get normal pumping/water flow.  Next time, turbulence
>> moves it so that it blocks the outlet, in which case, you get no flow and
>> steam.
>>
>> Dennis Harris C320 694.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jack McDonough" <mcdonough5 at verizon.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Overheating
>>
>>
>>> Dave:
>>>
>>> Yes, you may be right. The trouble may well be downstream. I was hoping 
>>> I
>
>>> could avoid pulling more stuff apart but I guess I'll have to bite the
>>> bullet. Thanks for the suggestions.
>>>
>>> jack
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Utility Email" <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:05 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Overheating
>>>
>>>
>>>> Could there be a partial blockage in the mixing elbow or a partial
>>>> blockage upstream of the strainer?  It sounds like you have thoroughly
>>>> checked upstream of the pump, perhaps checking downstream might find 
>>>> the
>
>>>> culprit?  If it came on suddenly, that would point to some type of
>>>> marine life blockage was ingested, but of the strainer is clear, then 
>>>> it
>
>>>> would have to be upstream from that. I am guessing:
>>>>
>>>> 1. That the mixing elbow may have carbon/corrosion build up.
>>>> 2.  Water pump is not functioning adequately at low speeds.  I'm
>>>> guessing that the water pump is not providing enough head to force 
>>>> water
>
>>>> through the system. Seems like there could e a easy way to test this 
>>>> buy
>
>>>> connecting a long clear hose between the pump outlet and the engine.
>>>>
>>>> Dave Swanson
>>>> S/V Emily Ann
>>>> 2007 C320 MK II, No. 1107
>>>> Mukilteo, WA
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:13 AM, hcreech at comcast.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jack,
>>>>> Unless I am reading this wrong you are running your engine at too low 
>>>>> a
>
>>>>> rate of speed. This should not have any bearing on the water pump
>>>>> situation but still way too low. If you continue to run at that low
>>>>> speed you will only create a carbon build-up which is not good. I run
>>>>> mine continuously while crusing a 2800 RPM and only lower speeds while
>>>>> docking. When I took the initial diesel class they stressed that low
>>>>> speeds are very detrimental to diesels. They went on to say you should
>>>>> cruise at 2800-2900 RPM and can run at 3100 RPM for up to an hour
>>>>> without causing any problems. The main point was to "Not Baby" the
>>>>> diesel. Could be another problem, but regardless, if I am reading this
>>>>> right, you need to crank it up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Herb Creech
>>>>> Cloud Chaser 606
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jack McDonough" <mcdonough5 at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:47:20 AM
>>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Overheating
>>>>>
>>>>> A puzzling, intermittent overheating problem developed a couple of
>>>>> weeks ago with the 3GM30F Yanmar in my 2003 C-320.
>>>>>
>>>>> While traveling at low speed from an anchorage to a newly available
>>>>> mooring one morning (maybe 10 - 15 minutes running time), the engine
>>>>> overheat alarm sounded. I managed to pick up the mooring, after which 
>>>>> I
>
>>>>> pulled the raw water intake hose at the seacock and determined that
>>>>> water was, in fact, coming into the system. I then checked to see that
>>>>> the strainer was clear and, finally, took apart the impeller housing
>>>>> and inspected the impeller -- which was newly installed in May and
>>>>> which looked fine. I started the engine again and still got only steam
>>>>> out of the exhaust. A couple of tries later, however, the system once
>>>>> again pumped out water like a champ.
>>>>>
>>>>> I made a three-hour passage to another harbor under power the next day
>>>>> and everything was fine -- but the same problem occurred the following
>>>>> day. Again it blew steam -- but the following morning I got a healthy
>>>>> flow of water and headed home.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since then, I have again pulled the hose off the intake seacock but,
>>>>> this time, I took my digital wire coat hanger and fed it down through
>>>>> the intake passage to make sure there was nothing flopping around in
>>>>> there. I disconnected the other end of the hose -- at the strainer --
>>>>> and detemined that there was nothing in the hose. Then I removed the
>>>>> hose between the strainer and the impeller and confirmed that it, too,
>>>>> was clear.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a sense that I'm more likely to be able to pump water if I
>>>>> briefly goose the RPMs up to 2000 or a little more. But I've consulted
>>>>> my diesel guy and he says that shouldn't make any difference. It 
>>>>> should
>
>>>>> pump water regardless.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's my story. Any ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jack
>>>>> #947
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:53:35 -0400
> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Refrigerator Cycling Solved(?)
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> On my 2002 hull 906, it's the battery charger (which does have a fan)
> that's mounted on the port locker bulkhead aft of the reefer box.  The
> reefer compressor, which is mounted on a shelf in the aft port quarter
> locker, also has a fan.  Either one might be heard (especially in the
> aft stateroom) when all else is relatively quiet.
>
> Bob Seastream
> Intuition # 906
>
> On Aug 15, 2011, at 11:49 AM, John Meyers wrote:
>
>> A month or so ago I posted a problem that my refrigerator was
>> cycling for 30
>> seconds every couple minutes.
>>
>> Is it possible that what I am still hearing is a fan on the
>> transformer(?)
>> that is just aft of the refigerator on bulkhead seen from the port
>> side
>> locker?
>>
>> John
>> Wind Chime
>> Muskegon MI
>> 406
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:44:29 -0400 (EDT)
> From: sailorlew at aol.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] why you never leave a boat until you have to step
> up
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0oZADZxKkY&feature=related
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 09:14:49 -0400 (EDT)
> From: wflowe3 at aim.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] depthsounder problem
> Message-ID: <8CE2A2D9C773816-39C-43C9 at webmail-d057.sysops.aol.com>
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>
>
> Due to our problem of zebra mussels jamming the paddle wheel, I Made a 
> point
> of painting my paddles this spring when the bottom was done.  Speedo works
> fine and so far no zebra mussels to clean off.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred LEcuyer <fred.lecuyer at live.com>
> To: Catalina320list Catalina320list <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 10:33 am
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] depthsounder problem
>
>
>
>
> John:
>
>
>
> Did it work earlier in the season? I'm told that if bottom paint gets on 
> the
>
>
> paddles, it can affect (or kill) the reading.
>
>
>
> Fred
>
> First light #920
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:47:30 -0400
>
>> From: jcmeyers7 at gmail.com
>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] depthsounder problem
>
>>
>
>> Joe, did cleaning the wire contacts fix the problem?
>
>>
>
>> I would be interested also because it is similar to my problem which is
> the
>
>> knot meter which says 0.0 all the time now. The paddle wheel spins OK. I
> use
>
>> my GPS for speed but would like to get true wind speed again. Any
>
>> suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>>
>
>> Thanks
>
>>
>
>> John
>
>> Wind Chime
>
>> 406
>
>>
>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Joe Abbagnaro <jabbagna at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> > I had the same problem on Hull 574.... did the same thing cleaned and
>
>> > checked wires.
>
>> > If you bang on the head sometimes it would come back.  I just ended up
>
>> > replacing the head
>
>> > with I think the Raymarine ST50 ??  It is compatible with the old
>
>> > transducer.
>
>> >
>
>> > Good Luck
>
>> > Joe
>
>> >
>
>> > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:00 PM, lwhite808 at gmail.com
>
>> > <lwhite808 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > >  My '99 320, hull number 624, has the same Autohelm (now owned by
>
>> > Raymarine) instruments in a navpod at the helm station that most of you
>
>> > have.  Following a recent cruise to Molokai, Lanai, and Maui, which
> included
>
>> > some wave-bashing channel crossings, my faithful depthsounder went
> blank.
>
>> >  After the trip, I opened the pod and took apart the connections, to 
>> > all
> the
>
>> > instruments, and squirted them with WD 40.  Now the sounder flashes 0.0
> ft,
>
>> > and I'm wondering whether any owners in our online help group has a
>
>> > suggestion for a next step.  I don't suspect the tranducer in the bow,
> or
>
>> > the cabling running aft, which leads me back to the instrument at the
> helm.
>
>> >  Any ideas?  By the way, Mike Matthews, who owns one of four 320's in
>
>> > Hawai'i, is probably at sea or back in California.  After buying the
> boat
>
>> > years ago, he sailed it to Hawai'i, lived aboard, then missed 
>> > California
> so
>
>> > sailed back to the coast, then missed Hawai'i so he did a return 
>> > voyage,
> and
>
>> > has now disappeared again, so I suspect he's back on the West coast.
> These
>
>> > are passages of thousands of miles, and he sails alone!  These are 
>> > tough
>
>> > boats.....   Thanks for any suggestions about the depthsounder.
> Dave
>
>> > White, Honolulu Hawai'i, C320 Tradewind
>
>> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 09:10:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Walter Schaffer <bohpilot at yahoo.com>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Folo: ordering parts, happy ending
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>
> Yes, this does have a happy ending ? I have the parts. After
> a bevy of emails to Ken and Kent on the east coast and west coast, a 
> letter
> to
> Frank Butler, and a very nice phone call with Mr. Butler, we solved the
> mystery. The parts I needed for #515 are no longer installed on newer 
> 320s.
> So
> my parts were in storage on the west coast waiting to be shipped to the 
> east
> coast.
> This is why the east coast guy couldn?t figure out what I was ordering. At
> the
> suggestion of Mr. Butler, I took pictures of parts I needed and emailed
> photos
> to parts department. When parts shipment arrived in Florida, just like
> magic,
> my parts were located.? Moral of
> story is: send photos of what you need. Boat models change as do parts. 
> All
> the Catalina folks were helpful and courteous to the end of the month and
> half
> hunt for parts.
> Tks for all input comments. I hope this will help you order
> parts.
> Walt
> Schaffer, #515
> Bohemian II,
> Middle River, MD
>
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