[C320-list] Replacement sails and other upgrades

[Irving Grunes]

The fixed "pennant" I really meant the Dutchman "A" systen where the
dutchman line positions are fixed and it attaches to the topping lift.
The topping lift  is tightened when ready to drop the sail and loosened
about 6 inches when sailing.with the loose foot on the sail
We have not cut slits in our sail cover yet and so we lower the topping
lift so that the sail cover can go on with the Dutchman lines eased under
the sail cover.
Sorry for the misleading remark
Irv Grunes
2001 #851



On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Bruce Heyman <bruceheyman at cox.net> wrote:

> Irv,
> With a fixed pennant how do you use it as a topping lift?  Or lower it to
> replace the dutchman lines?
> Bruce
> Somerset
>
> Bruce Heyman
> 949 289-8400
>
> Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Alan,
> >We had a new sail by UK Halsey in Annapolis
> >His recommendation was to use a three line Dutchman and use a fixed
> >Dutchman pennant rather than the the pulley system.
> >I can assure you that it is a pleasure because it really controls the sail
> >extremely well when dropping it.
> >
> >And he used just slits in the sail reinforced with webbing for the
> Dutchman
> >holes in the sail instead of the plastic discs.
> >And we bought a full batten and loose foot as well.
> >He also recommended the plastic sail track but since our boat is in a
> >partnership, we did not go for the extra $1000. the track would cost, but
> >it sure works well where we have seen it.
> >Irv Grunes
> >2001 #851
> >
> >On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Alan Goodman <goodmanalanlee at hotmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Irv - now that you mention it (it never crossed my mind) on would think
> a
> >> three line Dutchman would handle the sail better when flaking.  I have
> seen
> >> three lines on C42s but does anyone actually have three lines on a C320?
> >>  Would that raise the price to $750 for installing the plastic disks ...
> >>  ouch.    Alan Hull 67 Holland MI
> >>
> >>
> >> > Message: 4
> >> > Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:02:09 -0500
> >> > From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
> >> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
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> >> > Alan
> >> > If going new, I suggest 3 line Dutchman and loose footed main.
> >> > Irv Grunes
> >> > #851
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Alan Goodman <
> >> goodmanalanlee at hotmail.com>wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I have the original sails (hull 67 1994) and while I considered
> moving
> >> to
> >> > > a bigger boat (C400), I decided to keep the C320.  So now I am
> going to
> >> > > have to make the expense (is anything spent on a boat ever an
> >> investment?)
> >> > > for several upgrades.  I would appreciate your feedback as to how to
> >> go and
> >> > > what you may have paid for a similar upgrade.
> >> > >
> >> > > I almost pulled the trigger earlier this month while Catalina Direct
> >> had a
> >> > > 15% off discount on sails, but with only a day left before the sale
> >> expired
> >> > > I felt rushed and did not order them.  CD sells Ullman sails from a
> >> Ventura
> >> > > CA loft.  I am a Great Lakes cruiser (similar to coastal ocean
> >> conditions),
> >> > > so I am interested in Dacron, about 7.0 oz.  I currently have full
> >> battens
> >> > > and a bolt rope foot.  I also have the Dutchman flaking system, and
> CD
> >> > > wanted $500 extra to install the plastic disks/grommets in the sail.
> >>  That
> >> > > seemed a bit excessive to me.  Most likely I will be moving to a
> bigger
> >> > > boat in about 4 years (full retirement afloat), if that affects your
> >> > > recommendations.  Do any of the racers on the forum have gently used
> >> Dacron
> >> > > sails they might wish to part with?  Does anyone single hand a slab
> >> flaked
> >> > > main without a Dutchman or Lazy jacks?   The head sail seems to me
> to
> >> be an
> >> > > easier choice (less decisions).  Same fabric weight as the main,
> foam
> >> luff,
> >> > > leach and foot cords, etc.  I am looking for thoughts based upon
> value
> >> ...
> >> > > i.e. price to performance.
> >> > >
> >> > > I also am going to have new interior cushions made for the salon.
>  Any
> >> > > recommendations as to foam density, foam thickness, other issues I
> may
> >> not
> >> > > be thinking about?  My OEM settee and dinette cushions extend beyond
> >> the
> >> > > leading edge (i.e. overhang) of the fiberglass bench structure but
> do
> >> not
> >> > > provide any support.  The edge of these cushions simply roll down
> >> behind my
> >> > > calves and are uncomfortable.  Anyone have new cushions made that
> are
> >> flush
> >> > > with the leading edge of the fiberglass bench structure?  Any
> thoughts
> >> > > about why it might be a good or bad idea?  Also, anyone have any
> price
> >> > > information as to what I should expect to pay (I'll be taking the
> >> existing
> >> > > cushions around for quotes right after the new year).
> >> > >
> >> > > Lastly, I bought a tufted topper for the aft berth cushions but
> still
> >> > > don't find the sleeping conditions comfortable.  So I will
> definitely
> >> be
> >> > > purchasing a mattress.  Options are foam or coil spring (I also
> tried a
> >> > > Coleman air mattress, but it felt way too cold in the early spring
> and
> >> late
> >> > > fall).  Again, any advice thoughts appreciated.
> >> > >
> >> > > That probably exhausts my boat budget for the upcoming year  ...
>  air
> >> > > conditioning and a below deck autopilot are in my dreams.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
>