[C320-list] Replacement sails and other upgrades

[Scott Thompson]

UK Annapolis talked me into cutting slits in my mainsail cover when I 
made the same switch. I've regretted it ever since because the slits let 
dirt through the cover and onto the sail. If I were to do it again I 
would go back to the pulley system, or else use my main halyard as boom 
support when not sailing and slack the topping lift so that I could put 
the cover on over the Dutchman lines.

Scott

On 12/17/2012 7:31 AM, Irving Grunes wrote:
> The fixed "pennant" I really meant the Dutchman "A" systen where the
> dutchman line positions are fixed and it attaches to the topping lift.
> The topping lift  is tightened when ready to drop the sail and loosened
> about 6 inches when sailing.with the loose foot on the sail
> We have not cut slits in our sail cover yet and so we lower the topping
> lift so that the sail cover can go on with the Dutchman lines eased under
> the sail cover.
> Sorry for the misleading remark
> Irv Grunes
> 2001 #851
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Bruce Heyman<bruceheyman at cox.net>  wrote:
>
>> Irv,
>> With a fixed pennant how do you use it as a topping lift?  Or lower it to
>> replace the dutchman lines?
>> Bruce
>> Somerset
>>
>> Bruce Heyman
>> 949 289-8400
>>
>> Irving Grunes<igrunes at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Alan,
>>> We had a new sail by UK Halsey in Annapolis
>>> His recommendation was to use a three line Dutchman and use a fixed
>>> Dutchman pennant rather than the the pulley system.
>>> I can assure you that it is a pleasure because it really controls the sail
>>> extremely well when dropping it.
>>>
>>> And he used just slits in the sail reinforced with webbing for the
>> Dutchman
>>> holes in the sail instead of the plastic discs.
>>> And we bought a full batten and loose foot as well.
>>> He also recommended the plastic sail track but since our boat is in a
>>> partnership, we did not go for the extra $1000. the track would cost, but
>>> it sure works well where we have seen it.
>>> Irv Grunes
>>> 2001 #851
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Alan Goodman<goodmanalanlee at hotmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Irv - now that you mention it (it never crossed my mind) on would think
>> a
>>>> three line Dutchman would handle the sail better when flaking.  I have
>> seen
>>>> three lines on C42s but does anyone actually have three lines on a C320?
>>>>   Would that raise the price to $750 for installing the plastic disks ...
>>>>   ouch.    Alan Hull 67 Holland MI
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:02:09 -0500
>>>>> From: Irving Grunes<igrunes at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Replacement sails and other upgrades
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>>>>> Alan
>>>>> If going new, I suggest 3 line Dutchman and loose footed main.
>>>>> Irv Grunes
>>>>> #851
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Alan Goodman<
>>>> goodmanalanlee at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have the original sails (hull 67 1994) and while I considered
>> moving
>>>> to
>>>>>> a bigger boat (C400), I decided to keep the C320.  So now I am
>> going to
>>>>>> have to make the expense (is anything spent on a boat ever an
>>>> investment?)
>>>>>> for several upgrades.  I would appreciate your feedback as to how to
>>>> go and
>>>>>> what you may have paid for a similar upgrade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I almost pulled the trigger earlier this month while Catalina Direct
>>>> had a
>>>>>> 15% off discount on sails, but with only a day left before the sale
>>>> expired
>>>>>> I felt rushed and did not order them.  CD sells Ullman sails from a
>>>> Ventura
>>>>>> CA loft.  I am a Great Lakes cruiser (similar to coastal ocean
>>>> conditions),
>>>>>> so I am interested in Dacron, about 7.0 oz.  I currently have full
>>>> battens
>>>>>> and a bolt rope foot.  I also have the Dutchman flaking system, and
>> CD
>>>>>> wanted $500 extra to install the plastic disks/grommets in the sail.
>>>>   That
>>>>>> seemed a bit excessive to me.  Most likely I will be moving to a
>> bigger
>>>>>> boat in about 4 years (full retirement afloat), if that affects your
>>>>>> recommendations.  Do any of the racers on the forum have gently used
>>>> Dacron
>>>>>> sails they might wish to part with?  Does anyone single hand a slab
>>>> flaked
>>>>>> main without a Dutchman or Lazy jacks?   The head sail seems to me
>> to
>>>> be an
>>>>>> easier choice (less decisions).  Same fabric weight as the main,
>> foam
>>>> luff,
>>>>>> leach and foot cords, etc.  I am looking for thoughts based upon
>> value
>>>> ...
>>>>>> i.e. price to performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also am going to have new interior cushions made for the salon.
>>   Any
>>>>>> recommendations as to foam density, foam thickness, other issues I
>> may
>>>> not
>>>>>> be thinking about?  My OEM settee and dinette cushions extend beyond
>>>> the
>>>>>> leading edge (i.e. overhang) of the fiberglass bench structure but
>> do
>>>> not
>>>>>> provide any support.  The edge of these cushions simply roll down
>>>> behind my
>>>>>> calves and are uncomfortable.  Anyone have new cushions made that
>> are
>>>> flush
>>>>>> with the leading edge of the fiberglass bench structure?  Any
>> thoughts
>>>>>> about why it might be a good or bad idea?  Also, anyone have any
>> price
>>>>>> information as to what I should expect to pay (I'll be taking the
>>>> existing
>>>>>> cushions around for quotes right after the new year).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lastly, I bought a tufted topper for the aft berth cushions but
>> still
>>>>>> don't find the sleeping conditions comfortable.  So I will
>> definitely
>>>> be
>>>>>> purchasing a mattress.  Options are foam or coil spring (I also
>> tried a
>>>>>> Coleman air mattress, but it felt way too cold in the early spring
>> and
>>>> late
>>>>>> fall).  Again, any advice thoughts appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That probably exhausts my boat budget for the upcoming year  ...
>>   air
>>>>>> conditioning and a below deck autopilot are in my dreams.
>>>>>>