[C320-list] Rigging issue

[Ray Yager]

Just for wing keels.


On 5/28/14, 12:51 PM, Karl Krueger wrote:
> Ray:
>
> I want to make certain I understand this clearly.  Skip the extra toggle at
> the forestay for just wing keels or all C320's?
>
> Karl Krueger
> Kindred Spirit #282
> Milwaukee WI
>
>
> On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Ray Yager <ray.yager56 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark said to keep the mast straight up.  Skip the extra toggle at the
>> forestay.  Raking the mast back induces too much weather helm. He still
>> heavily recommends the back-stay adjuster.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/27/14, 3:20 PM, tharrison at innovations-plus.com wrote:
>>
>>> I have a wing keel !
>>>
>>> So what is the necessary modifications !
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>   On May 27, 2014, at 4:46 PM, Ray Yager <ray.yager56 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I talked with Mark about his article just yesterday. The caveat is that
>>>> it applies only to fin keels, not wing keels.
>>>>
>>>> Ray Yager
>>>> S/V Beach House #432
>>>>
>>>>   On 5/22/14, 11:25 AM, Jeff Hare wrote:
>>>>> FYI:
>>>>> Mark Yeager's article is here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.catalina320.com/article.php?story=20040828173431380
>>>>>
>>>>> Still a pretty decent reference article for everyone to read.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Jeff Hare
>>>>> Woodbine II #809
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Robert Sloat
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 9:16 AM
>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Rigging issue
>>>>>
>>>>> Ted-On my hull 894 (2002) when launched on the second season I had the
>>>>> same
>>>>> problem.  When the boat was commissioned new the previous season the
>>>>> dealer
>>>>> tightened the forestay turn buckle under the furler after the rig and
>>>>> backstays were connected.  The forestay was rock hard then and when
>>>>> launching and stepping the mast for season 2 the back stays could not be
>>>>> connected.  Since I am in the midwest where the mast comes down every
>>>>> season
>>>>> and to eliminate having to used the main halyard to help connect the
>>>>> backstays, the dealer who was around at launch graciously bought 2 short
>>>>> shackles to help with the install which went fine.  You can check out
>>>>> the
>>>>> Schafer owners manual on how to lengthen the forestay so you don’t need
>>>>> the
>>>>> shackles on the back stays the next go round.  After a few seasons I
>>>>> lengthened the forestay and eliminated the shackles.  The forestay was
>>>>> lengthened to give a loose forestay and backstay adjusters were
>>>>> installed to
>>>>> control forestay sag for differing wind conditions.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the latter check out Quantum Sail’s Yeager article on the C320
>>>>> forestay
>>>>> hardness and backstay adjuster selection which should be on our C320
>>>>> site
>>>>> somewhere in the archives.  It may even have been in Mainsheet.  It was
>>>>> at
>>>>> least 5 or more years ago and pretty good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Sloat
>>>>> Savannah 894 (2002)
>>>>> Waukegan Harbor, IL
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 20, 2014, at 2:46 PM, tharrison at innovations-plus.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I cannot get my backstays connected. After I connect the port backstay
>>>>>> bridle the starboard Backstay bridle is about 3 inches short.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a Schaefer 2000 forestay. The Catalina rigging length
>>>>>> specification shows this as 42 feet 11 ¼ inches. (note the Hood
>>>>>> specification is 43 feet 3 ¾ inches) – 4 inches of difference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Aft Lower Shrouds show a length of 14 feet, 11 ½ inches and the
>>>>>> backstay bridle as 13 feet 3 ½ inches.(8 inches of difference) This
>>>>>> difference would be notices when we attaches the side turnbuckles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a 1997 Catalina.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We stepped the mast by connecting all electrical and the lowered the
>>>>>> mast on the step.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We then connected the Schaefer furling (foil).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We then tried to connect the backstays and not even close. To just get
>>>>>> the mast on we used 1.5 inch shackles on each side. The turnbuckles are
>>>>>>
>>>>> just on.
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is our first time rigging the boat and our second summer. When we
>>>>>> hauled it out last fall the backstay had tension and the sprang fee.
>>>>>> We did not adjust the turnbuckle on the foil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We rigged a Catalina 34 before we tried to do ours and not a problem.
>>>>>> We looked at another Catalina 320 and a 36 and both skipper said they
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>
>>>>> no
>>>>>
>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anyone encountered this problem? Any ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Sloat
>>>>>
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