[C320-list] Outhaul cam cleat or rope clutch?

[Scott Thompson]

Warren, with the line running straight through do you not have any 
outhaul purchase then? On my boat #653 there is a block and tackle for 
the outhaul (3 to one I think) inside the boom. One end is dead-ended 
somewhere near the forward end of the boom and the other is free 
floating and connects to the line that goes out the aft end of the boom 
and then to the clew of the sail. So the outhaul line is really two 
lines on my boat.

In the past, I've fished the internal dual sheave block for the reef 
lines out of the end of the boom as you describe. (Was necessary for 
evicting birds one year when the tape I put over the end of the boom 
fell off over the winter.) However I've never tried a similar exercise 
with the outhaul blocks. I suppose if the internal line deadends on the 
floating part rather than at the block fixed inside the boom then I 
might be able to access both ends, which would allow me to replace the 
line. I'll look into that.

Scott


On 5/18/2016 8:52 AM, Warren Updike wrote:
> This on #62. The outhaul is a single line from the slide on the boom over
> the aft sheave thru the boom and out the fwd end of the boom at a jam cleat.
> There shouldn't be a problem replacing this line.
> The single line reef is a two-part deal. There is a dual sheave block in the
> boom (or should be.) The forward part turns on this block and returns to the
> mast to be used for the fwd reef line. The aft part is tied to the rear of
> the boom, runs thru the internal block and back over a sheave and out to the
> reef cringle on the sail, then tied to the boom. The dual sheave block may
> be retrieved by feeding the doubled aft reef line out through the opening in
> the end of the boom. The block is narrow enough to come out through this
> opening. From there, both parts of the reef line may be replaced.
>
> Warren and Pattie Updike
> 1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62
> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Thompson [mailto:surprise at thompson87.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 9:39 AM
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> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Outhaul cam cleat or rope clutch?
>
> Doug, the process for replacing halyards does not work for the outhaul
> control line because one end of the line terminates inside the boom. I'm not
> aware of any way to access it without taking the boom apart, which appears
> to be a major project. But perhaps I am missing something.
>
>> On May 17, 2016, at 7:25 AM, Doug Treff <doug at treff.us> wrote:
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> I have a series of Rope clutches across the cabin top. There are four on
>> each side, not all being used.
>>
>> The ones on the starboard side control Main Halyard, Main Sheet, and
>> Boom Vang Tension
>> The ones on the port side control Outhaul, Jib Halyard, and single
>> line reefing.
>>
>> You should be able to replace the lines by taping or stitching the ends
>> together and pulling them through. I actually had to rig my reefing
>> system from scratch because the previous owner had pulled it out and I
>> was able to feed the new lines through with a plumbers snake. But if you
>> already have a line fed through, the easiest would of course be to use
>> the old line to pull the new one through.
>>
>> Here's a YouTube video on replacing a halyard, the concepts should be
>> the same regarding how you would attach the old and new lines
>> temporarily for threading. https://youtu.be/J4BYQY_2jbU?t=3m44s
>>
>> --
>> Doug Treff
>> September Song #350
>> doug at treff.us
>>
>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016, at 08:49 PM, Scott Thompson wrote:
>>> Yes, I think your boat was modified. On many boats the outhaul is
>>> cleated through a jammer at the forward end of the boom where the
>>> outhaul emerges, and it is not led to the deck. My boat with
>>> hull number
>>> 653 not far from yours has this arrangement, and it is the one
>>> described
>>> in the factory manual for my boat. So where is the outhaul cleat
>>> precisely on your boat? And precisely what kind of cleat is it? That
>>> kind of detail would be helpful here. I've been thinking about
>>> the same
>>> modification.
>>>
>>> Seems to me that a rope clutch would be overkill since loads on the
>>> outhaul aren't that great and there is good purchase inside the boom.
>>>
>>> Related question: Is it possible to replace the outhaul lines without
>>> taking the boom apart to get access to the internal blocks? This is by
>>> far the lowest quality line on my boat.
>>>
>>> Scott Thompson
>>>
>>> "Surprise" #653
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 5/16/2016 3:06 PM, Doug Treff wrote:
>>>> Tim,
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I'm missing something here, but doesn't your boom already
>>>> have an
>>>> outhaul rig for the conventional main? Is there some issue
>>>> with using
>>>> that? Having never rigged a loose-footed main, maybe I just don't
>>>> understand the issue here. Mine is cleated on the cabin-top
>>>> via a jam
>>>> cleat. Maybe the PO made some changes on my boat?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Doug Treff
>>>> doug at treff.us
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016, at 02:41 PM, Tim wrote:
>>>>> Planning possible upgrade since I acquired a loose footed main for
>>>>> Calypso. I want to be able to manage the outhaul from the cockpit
>>>>> and am
>>>>> looking for suggestions on how/where to cleat it off on the
>>>>> cabin top.
>>>>> Thinking either a cam clear or another rope clutch. Anyone done
>>>>> this?
>>>>> I already have extra blocks for the base of the mast and doubled
>>>>> up the
>>>>> deck organizers. Just a matter of cleating it somewhere.
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> TimCalypso#603
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