[C320-list] Outhaul cam cleat or rope clutch?

[Irving Grunes]

When I had #821, I re-reaved the outhaul line from under the boom sheave to
over the boom sheave so that it went down to a block at the base of the
mast and then went back to the clutch that held the dutchman hoist.line.

I put that line on the cleat on the mast.
Irv Grunes
Former #851

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
wrote:

> Warren, with the line running straight through do you not have any outhaul
> purchase then? On my boat #653 there is a block and tackle for the outhaul
> (3 to one I think) inside the boom. One end is dead-ended somewhere near
> the forward end of the boom and the other is free floating and connects to
> the line that goes out the aft end of the boom and then to the clew of the
> sail. So the outhaul line is really two lines on my boat.
>
> In the past, I've fished the internal dual sheave block for the reef lines
> out of the end of the boom as you describe. (Was necessary for evicting
> birds one year when the tape I put over the end of the boom fell off over
> the winter.) However I've never tried a similar exercise with the outhaul
> blocks. I suppose if the internal line deadends on the floating part rather
> than at the block fixed inside the boom then I might be able to access both
> ends, which would allow me to replace the line. I'll look into that.
>
> Scott
>
>
> On 5/18/2016 8:52 AM, Warren Updike wrote:
>
>> This on #62. The outhaul is a single line from the slide on the boom over
>> the aft sheave thru the boom and out the fwd end of the boom at a jam
>> cleat.
>> There shouldn't be a problem replacing this line.
>> The single line reef is a two-part deal. There is a dual sheave block in
>> the
>> boom (or should be.) The forward part turns on this block and returns to
>> the
>> mast to be used for the fwd reef line. The aft part is tied to the rear of
>> the boom, runs thru the internal block and back over a sheave and out to
>> the
>> reef cringle on the sail, then tied to the boom. The dual sheave block may
>> be retrieved by feeding the doubled aft reef line out through the opening
>> in
>> the end of the boom. The block is narrow enough to come out through this
>> opening. From there, both parts of the reef line may be replaced.
>>
>> Warren and Pattie Updike
>> 1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62
>> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Thompson [mailto:surprise at thompson87.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 9:39 AM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Cc: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Outhaul cam cleat or rope clutch?
>>
>> Doug, the process for replacing halyards does not work for the outhaul
>> control line because one end of the line terminates inside the boom. I'm
>> not
>> aware of any way to access it without taking the boom apart, which appears
>> to be a major project. But perhaps I am missing something.
>>
>> On May 17, 2016, at 7:25 AM, Doug Treff <doug at treff.us> wrote:
>>>
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> I have a series of Rope clutches across the cabin top. There are four on
>>> each side, not all being used.
>>>
>>> The ones on the starboard side control Main Halyard, Main Sheet, and
>>> Boom Vang Tension
>>> The ones on the port side control Outhaul, Jib Halyard, and single
>>> line reefing.
>>>
>>> You should be able to replace the lines by taping or stitching the ends
>>> together and pulling them through. I actually had to rig my reefing
>>> system from scratch because the previous owner had pulled it out and I
>>> was able to feed the new lines through with a plumbers snake. But if you
>>> already have a line fed through, the easiest would of course be to use
>>> the old line to pull the new one through.
>>>
>>> Here's a YouTube video on replacing a halyard, the concepts should be
>>> the same regarding how you would attach the old and new lines
>>> temporarily for threading. https://youtu.be/J4BYQY_2jbU?t=3m44s
>>>
>>> --
>>> Doug Treff
>>> September Song #350
>>> doug at treff.us
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016, at 08:49 PM, Scott Thompson wrote:
>>>> Yes, I think your boat was modified. On many boats the outhaul is
>>>> cleated through a jammer at the forward end of the boom where the
>>>> outhaul emerges, and it is not led to the deck. My boat with
>>>> hull number
>>>> 653 not far from yours has this arrangement, and it is the one
>>>> described
>>>> in the factory manual for my boat. So where is the outhaul cleat
>>>> precisely on your boat? And precisely what kind of cleat is it? That
>>>> kind of detail would be helpful here. I've been thinking about
>>>> the same
>>>> modification.
>>>>
>>>> Seems to me that a rope clutch would be overkill since loads on the
>>>> outhaul aren't that great and there is good purchase inside the boom.
>>>>
>>>> Related question: Is it possible to replace the outhaul lines without
>>>> taking the boom apart to get access to the internal blocks? This is by
>>>> far the lowest quality line on my boat.
>>>>
>>>> Scott Thompson
>>>>
>>>> "Surprise" #653
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/16/2016 3:06 PM, Doug Treff wrote:
>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe I'm missing something here, but doesn't your boom already
>>>>> have an
>>>>> outhaul rig for the conventional main? Is there some issue
>>>>> with using
>>>>> that? Having never rigged a loose-footed main, maybe I just don't
>>>>> understand the issue here. Mine is cleated on the cabin-top
>>>>> via a jam
>>>>> cleat. Maybe the PO made some changes on my boat?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Doug Treff
>>>>> doug at treff.us
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016, at 02:41 PM, Tim wrote:
>>>>>> Planning possible upgrade since I acquired a loose footed main for
>>>>>> Calypso. I want to be able to manage the outhaul from the cockpit
>>>>>> and am
>>>>>> looking for suggestions on how/where to cleat it off on the
>>>>>> cabin top.
>>>>>> Thinking either a cam clear or another rope clutch. Anyone done
>>>>>> this?
>>>>>> I already have extra blocks for the base of the mast and doubled
>>>>>> up the
>>>>>> deck organizers. Just a matter of cleating it somewhere.
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> TimCalypso#603
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
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